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Trump could raise Approval ratings IF .....

MTAtech said:
Tax-cuts, even on the middle-class, has always been a questionable stimulus plan -- although it's better than tax-cuts on the rich, which has no benefit to the overall economy. It's all about the effect of multipliers. Government direct spending has a bigger multiplier than a tax cut if consumers save a portion of their tax windfall. A tax cut targeted at poorer people may have a bigger impact on spending than one for the affluent, since poorer folk tend to spend a higher share of their income.
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Poor people don't pay federal income tax. Don't be silly. Tax cuts throughout history have always increased revenues. Not sure why libs pretend this isn't so. Libs couldn't care less about the poor and middle class. If they did, they wouldn't support policy which hurts them.
 
haymarket said:
With the deal struck yesterday between Trump and Democrats on the debt ceiling extension and Harvey relief, Trump is playing a very dangerous game that could risk losing his far right support. And if he loses that support long term, he needs to pick up support in the middle. Trump can do two things which would almost guaranty him that support and see a ten point rise in this approval ratings.

1- Focus almost all of the upcoming tax reform on middle class earners .... people making between 50K and 200K a year with just a slight reduction in the corporate tax rate and no decrease for the upper income people. This would be very popular in middle America.

2- Craft a real infrastructure spending program that yields major improvements in roads and bridges and other things and creates jobs.

If Trump could do those two things, I suspect his approval rating would jump a good ten points.

Of course, it could lead to a great divide in the Republican party but Trump is famous for throwing people under the bus so why would this be any different?
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The only way Trump is going to improve his ratings is to sell out to the rich and powerful who run our government and the media.
 
haymarket said:
With the deal struck yesterday between Trump and Democrats on the debt ceiling extension and Harvey relief, Trump is playing a very dangerous game that could risk losing his far right support. And if he loses that support long term, he needs to pick up support in the middle. Trump can do two things which would almost guaranty him that support and see a ten point rise in this approval ratings.

1- Focus almost all of the upcoming tax reform on middle class earners .... people making between 50K and 200K a year with just a slight reduction in the corporate tax rate and no decrease for the upper income people. This would be very popular in middle America.

2- Craft a real infrastructure spending program that yields major improvements in roads and bridges and other things and creates jobs.

If Trump could do those two things, I suspect his approval rating would jump a good ten points.

Of course, it could lead to a great divide in the Republican party but Trump is famous for throwing people under the bus so why would this be any different?
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Republicans don't trust Trump anymore.

You've got to admit it's Hilarious. Ryan & McConell are the ones with the full house and apparently Trump had told them one hour before the meeting he would push the 18 month on the debt ceiling. Pelosi & Schumer walk in the door and propose a 3 month time limit on the debt ceiling. Trump the GREAT negotiator, the BIG Deal maker, caved on the first offer, and didn't even make a counter offer. They were all shocked, Nancy Pelosi, Chuck Schumer, Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell. McConnell & Ryan red faced walking out that room, pissed off, while White House staffers actually apologizing to them.

The irony is that Hillary Clinton would have given Republicans a better deal because she would have had to negotiate with them.

The blessing is--we won't have Ted Cruz and his midget minons in the house running through congress threatening to shut down the government and defunding Obamacare, like they did with Obama over the last 7 years. They can't because Trump is cough-cough a Republican--:lol:

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The problem is--Nancy Pelosi is now writing legislation for Trump, and Trump's top adviser Ivanka wants child care subsidies.

ASTON, Pa.—Donald Trump proposed new federal subsidies for child care, including tax deductions, rebates for lower-income households and tax-preferred savings accounts, as well as a promise of paid maternity leave for workers who don’t have it.
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https://www.wsj.com/articles/donald-trump-proposing-child-care-subsidies-1473798499

The worst case scenairo Is Trump isn't impeached over this Russian investigation. Democrats take over both houses in 2018, and he becomes a rubber stamp to their legislation.

But who really believed that Trump was a Republican anyway? Trump has NEVER shown a conservative bone in his body, you were just taken by a T.V reality star con man.
https://www.mediaite.com/online/all...servativerepublican-but-now-i-realize-im-not/

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So the war is on. Republicans in both houses won't trust Trump on anything--and Nancy Pelosi & Chuck Schumer have a new friend in the Oval office. These kind of stand-off's usually result in nothing getting done.

You voted for it, you got it. No whining now, you were warned over and over again about Trump.
 
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Oreo said:
The worst case scenairo Is Trump isn't impeached over this Russian investigation. Democrats take over both houses in 2018, and he becomes a rubber stamp to their legislation.
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Seems like a good idea if he wants to save his presidency. The GOP's agenda is unpopular and they're incompetent at passing it. A Dem majority wouldn't have either problem.
 
Greenbeard said:
Seems like a good idea if he wants to save his presidency. The GOP's agenda is unpopular and they're incompetent at passing it. A Dem majority wouldn't have either problem.
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I don't think the average Republican would be happy with single payer health care? Trump was campaigning on that during the campaign season, Republicans were warned numerous times about it on the debate stage and ignored it. If Trump gets two years with a Democrat house and Senate they'll probably get single payer health care passed before Republicans have the opportunity to primary Trump.

During his “60 Minutes” interview Sunday, Republican presidential front-runner appeared to come out in favor of a form of single payer health insurance for the uninsured (although he does says he’s going to “take care of everybody”) and openly called for raising taxes on the wealthy. [emphasis added]

Donald Trump: Obamacare’s going to be repealed and replaced. Obamacare is a disaster if you look at what’s going on with premiums where they’re up 40, 50, 55 percent.

Scott Pelley: How do you fix it?

Donald Trump: There’s many different ways, by the way. Everybody’s got to be covered. This is an un-Republican thing for me to say because a lot of times they say, “No, no, the lower 25 percent that can’t afford private. But–”

Scott Pelley: Universal health care.

Donald Trump: I am going to take care of everybody. I don’t care if it costs me votes or not. Everybody’s going to be taken care of much better than they’re taken care of now.

Scott Pelley: The uninsured person is going to be taken care of. How? How?

Donald Trump: They’re going to be taken care of. I would make a deal with existing hospitals to take care of people. And, you know what, if this is probably–

Scott Pelley: Make a deal? Who pays for it?

Donald Trump: —the government’s gonna pay for it. But we’re going to save so much money on the other side. But for the most it’s going to be a private plan and people are going to be able to go out and negotiate great plans with lots of different competition with lots of competitors with great companies and they can have their doctors, they can have plans, they can have everything.

Trump was equally forthcoming about his plans to raise taxes on the wealthy:

Scott Pelley: Revolution is easy, governing is hard and what I’d like to get to is how you intend to govern the country if you are elected president. What’s your tax plan?

Donald Trump: It’s a substantial reduction for the middle-income people. Because our middle class, Scott, is being absolutely decimated. It will be a corporate also reduction, I think it’ll be a great incentive for corporations.

Scott Pelley: Who are you going to raise taxes on?

Donald Trump: If you look at actually raise, some very wealthy are going to be raised. Some people that are getting unfair deductions are going to be raised. But overall it’s going to be a tremendous incentive to grow the economy and we’re going to take in the same or more money. And I think we’re going to have something that’s going to be spectacular.

Scott Pelley: But Republicans don’t raise taxes.

Donald Trump: Well, we’re not raising taxes.

Scott Pelley: What kind of Republican are you?

As I wrote two weeks ago, Trump is already running a general election campaign. Rather than pander to the GOP base, he is advertising loudly beforehand that on issues such as taxes, health care, and trade he is not your standard conservative.
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Trump Pushes Single Payer Healthcare, Tax Increase on Wealthy - Breitbart

Yes, the Republican party has been a disaster since the tea party movement of 2010. This is definitely not the Republican party of Lincoln or Reagan. It is now the party of Trump. Stuffed full of ignorance, hate, anger, bigotry & misogyny.

Now it's come back around to bite hard.

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Oreo said:
I don't think the average Republican would be happy with single payer health care? Trump was campaigning on that during the campaign season, Republicans were warned numerous times about it on the debate stage and ignored it. If Trump gets two years with a Democrat house and Senate they'll probably get single payer health care passed before Republicans have the opportunity to primary Trump.
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His base will follow him no matter what he does. He won the GOP primary after saying positive things about single-payer.
 
haymarket said:
1- Focus almost all of the upcoming tax reform on middle class earners .... people making between 50K and 200K a year with just a slight reduction in the corporate tax rate and no decrease for the upper income people. This would be very popular in middle America.
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Never going to fly, a big reduction in the corporate rate is to make our companies more competitive and which will generate jobs and growth. And that is what the middle class would be happy about are good paying jobs, something liberals don't understand or care about. You abandoned the middle calls when you elected Obama. Hell under Obama the disparity between the middle class and the rich grew even wider.
 
Born Free said:
Never going to fly, a big reduction in the corporate rate is to make our companies more competitive and which will generate jobs and growth. And that is what the middle class would be happy about are good paying jobs, something liberals don't understand or care about. You abandoned the middle calls when you elected Obama. Hell under Obama the disparity between the middle class and the rich grew even wider.
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And how was that the fault of Obama?
 
haymarket said:
And how was that the fault of Obama?
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Last I recall he was the president when the disparity in the growth between the middle class and the rich got wider. You use to be for giving freebies to the poor and middle class but that ran dry on the middle class as they wanted jobs. But jobs for the middle class was never on the liberal agenda. And now you talk how the middle class would worship you for a tax cut. No they want a good paying job, if they are not working or don't have a good paying job they don't pay taxes.
 
Born Free said:
Last I recall he was the president when the disparity in the growth between the middle class and the rich got wider. You use to be for giving freebies to the poor and middle class but that ran dry on the middle class as they wanted jobs. But jobs for the middle class was never on the liberal agenda. And now you talk how the middle class would worship you for a tax cut. No they want a good paying job, if they are not working or don't have a good paying job they don't pay taxes.
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I was at a ballgame once when the Tigers won the pennant.

Can you tell me what policies Obama instituted which were responsible for the events you claim?
 
Greenbeard said:
His base will follow him no matter what he does. He won the GOP primary after saying positive things about single-payer.
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Well, we'll see. Agreed that the base has put up with a lot from Trump--much more so than they would have from any other candidate. Republicans that voted for him because he had an R behind his name will defintely look at him in a different light. I think his base thought he would change or someone else would be able to control him. But as Michelle Obama stated--"The White House doesn't change who a person is, it reveals who they are."

The "revealing" part is coming now.
A neuroscientist explains what may be wrong with Trump supporters’ brains
 
Oreo said:
I don't think the average Republican would be happy with single payer health care? Trump was campaigning on that during the campaign season, Republicans were warned numerous times about it on the debate stage and ignored it. If Trump gets two years with a Democrat house and Senate they'll probably get single payer health care passed before Republicans have the opportunity to primary Trump.
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I am fine with that. Time to stop playing hot potato with our health care and do something. If the republicans can't get it done then I hope and respect Trump if he reaches across the aisle to the democrats. I voted the republicans in because they said they would do something. I will vote them out if they continue to flounder. I am willing to bet there are a lot more people like me that could care less about party and care more about getting things fixed. It is stupid to support a party if they are not getting things done you elected them to do.
 
haymarket said:
I was at a ballgame once when the Tigers won the pennant.

Can you tell me what policies Obama instituted which were responsible for the events you claim?
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Please be more specific.
 
Born Free said:
Please be more specific.
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I ws very specific. Tell me the policies Obama instituted which were responsible for the problem you cited getting worse .


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Last I recall he was the president when the disparity in the growth between the middle class and the rich got wider.
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So provide proof that it was Obama and his policies which did this and not simply something that happened during his tenure that he was not responsible for.
 
haymarket said:
So provide proof that it was Obama and his policies which did this and not simply something that happened during his tenure that he was not responsible for.
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Such a simple answer, all his economic policies. It was Obama's policies that did not close the prosperity gap between the middle class and the rich. In fact under Obama policies the gap got wider. What more do you want??????
 
Born Free said:
Such a simple answer, all his economic policies. It was Obama's policies that did not close the prosperity gap between the middle class and the rich. In fact under Obama policies the gap got wider. What more do you want??????
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So you point to a hayfield and tell me there is a needle in one of the stacks. Sorry - it does not work that way.

Give me one specific policy ..... if you can ... which it appears you cannot.
 
haymarket said:
So you point to a hayfield and tell me there is a needle in one of the stacks. Sorry - it does not work that way.

Give me one specific policy ..... if you can ... which it appears you cannot.
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I answered your question, now answer what polices did Obama have that would lower the gap of disparity between the middle class and the rich. Never mind an easy answer, NONE. What polices did Obama have to keep the gap of disparity from getting wider between the middle class and the rich, another easy answer, NONE. What policies did Obama have that created the gap of disparity to grow wider between the middle class and the rich, another easy answer, all his economic policies.

Simple all of the economic policies of Obama did not lower the gap of disparity between the middle class and the rich, but instead his policies widen the gap between the middle class and the rich.

It's not that hard to understand.

But hey go ahead and list some of Obama's policies that lowered the gap of disparity between the middle class and the rich.
 
Born Free said:
I answered your question,
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NO - you did not mention even one specific policy with evidence that it was that Obama policy which did what you claimed.

Not a single one.

Get a clue - I never made any positive statement about Obama's policies or the gap one way or the other so I have nothing to defend. The responsibility is totally and com,pellets on the person making the assertion .... the claim of fact. And that was you. But your attempt to switch the burden of proof is noted.
 
haymarket said:
NO - you did not mention even one specific policy with evidence that it was that Obama policy which did what you claimed.

Not a single one.

Get a clue - I never made any positive statement about Obama's policies or the gap one way or the other so I have nothing to defend. The responsibility is totally and com,pellets on the person making the assertion .... the claim of fact. And that was you. But your attempt to switch the burden of proof is noted.
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You just don't get it, Not a single one, I named all of Obama's economic policies were the cause why Obama did not narrow the prosperity gap between the middle class and the rich.

Its really not that hard
 
Born Free said:
You just don't get it, Not a single one, I named all of Obama's economic policies were the cause why Obama did not narrow the prosperity gap between the middle class and the rich.

Its really not that hard
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Yeah - I asked where the needle was buried that you claimed existed and you pointed to a field of haystacks and said "there".

I get it and you far far far too well. And that is what grinds you.
 
countryboy said:
Poor people don't pay federal income tax. Don't be silly. Tax cuts throughout history have always increased revenues. Not sure why libs pretend this isn't so. Libs couldn't care less about the poor and middle class. If they did, they wouldn't support policy which hurts them.
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That's not true at all. Examples:
Reagan's tax-cuts. "Economic Recovery Tax Act of 1981, slashed the top rate to 50 percent—and then a 1986 tax overhaul brought the top rate down to 28 percent." Revenue fell following the tax-cuts -- that's why Reagan raised taxes in following years (but he called them "revenue enhancers" not taxes) which raised revenue.

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Then there is George W. Bush, who cut taxes twice and revenue fell following the tax cuts.

Then there is the State of Kansas, that cut taxes dramatically and dramatically reduced revenue. Forbes: The Great Kansas Tax Cut Experiment Crashes And Burns
 
PIPEWRENCH said:
I am fine with that. Time to stop playing hot potato with our health care and do something. If the republicans can't get it done then I hope and respect Trump if he reaches across the aisle to the democrats. I voted the republicans in because they said they would do something. I will vote them out if they continue to flounder. I am willing to bet there are a lot more people like me that could care less about party and care more about getting things fixed. It is stupid to support a party if they are not getting things done you elected them to do.
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The point is you'll have to wait until Democrats take over in 2018. They'll probably need super majorities in both houses to get it done--because no "real" Republican would vote for it, but again Trump is no real Republican.
 
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The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Friday shows that 46% of Likely U.S. Voters approve of President Trump’s job performance.
 
Born Free said:
You just don't get it, Not a single one, I named all of Obama's economic policies were the cause why Obama did not narrow the prosperity gap between the middle class and the rich.

Its really not that hard
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It's difficult to blame Obama's policies for income inequality when growing income inequality predated Obama by decades.

It's also hard to make that case that Obama policy, such as, The Obama administration guidelines on overtime pay, which would have raised the wages an estimated 12.5 million workers, would do the opposite of what is obvious -- raise their wages. Moreover, Obamacare provides aid and subsidies mainly to lower-income working Americans, and it pays for that aid partly with higher taxes at the top. That makes it an important policy that reverses income inequality -- the biggest such policy since the 1960s.

And between those extra Obamacare taxes and the expiration of the high-end Bush tax cuts made possible by Mr. Obama’s re-election in 2012, the average federal tax rate on the top 1 percent has risen quite a lot. In fact, it’s roughly back to what it was in 1979, pre-Ronald Reagan, something nobody seems to know.

On the other hand, Donald Trump is on record as declared that he will, in fact, slash taxes on the rich, and declared his intention to do away with Dodd-Frank, the financial reform passed during Democrats’ brief window of congressional control.

How anyone can come to Born Free's conclusion is beyond understanding.
 
haymarket said:
With the deal struck yesterday between Trump and Democrats on the debt ceiling extension and Harvey relief, Trump is playing a very dangerous game that could risk losing his far right support. And if he loses that support long term, he needs to pick up support in the middle. Trump can do two things which would almost guaranty him that support and see a ten point rise in this approval ratings.

1- Focus almost all of the upcoming tax reform on middle class earners .... people making between 50K and 200K a year with just a slight reduction in the corporate tax rate and no decrease for the upper income people. This would be very popular in middle America.

2- Craft a real infrastructure spending program that yields major improvements in roads and bridges and other things and creates jobs.

If Trump could do those two things, I suspect his approval rating would jump a good ten points.

Of course, it could lead to a great divide in the Republican party but Trump is famous for throwing people under the bus so why would this be any different?
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Agree, but I'd add a #3 to this.

North Korea threatens the U.S. or its allies with an attack and-or actually attacks without warning, and we respond with military action. Every time there is a situation involving an international conflict and the U.S. takes action, the president's approval ratings usually skyrocket.
 
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