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Democrats Just Trolled Trump

jimbo said:
Obama pulled off this scam in 2014, after he said nationally that he couldn't do it. So the sold dreamers were in fact dreaming.

Point 2. These dreamers, assuming Obama's scam totally disappears, and it should. Will be no worse off than they were 3 years ago.
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Point 2 is not true since these "dreamers" have self identified (confessed?) as illegal aliens to ICE. That is what places Trump in a no win situation if DACA/DAPA are not made law by congress (in 6 months?). How can Trump not deport (800K?) folks that voluntarily came forward and declared themselves to be in the US illegally and insist that we need a very expensive wall to keep similar illegal folks out?
 
ThoughtEx. said:
I don't think we should criticize Trump for this, I think we should praise him. The fact is, he cares deeply about his own popularity. If we use positive reinforcement when he does things we like, he'll keep doing things we like. Right now, the only people praising him are xenophobes.

We have an opportunity with this guy, he's easily influenced by public opinion. If we wise up, and start "leaking" reports of him doing things we like and then praising him for it. I bet he'll follow through and actually do it. This could be one of the few chances the people get to effect change in the government.

Imagine if Wall Street Journal released a "leaked' report stating Trump plans to introduce legislation that kills gerrymandering and sets up independent map drawers. And we all praised him for it. And then he did it. How great would that be...
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This is why I always laughed at Democrats trying to get their base in a frenzy over Trump. They have essentially pushed themselves into a corner that even when he agrees with them they go nuts. Case in point is DACA, he is trying to push Congress to make it law and you would think Democrats would be ecstatic about this but they are losing their minds.
 
Excon said:
Hilarious, but no.
Just wait and see how this plays out before making any ridiculous assertions like that.
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You & I know that waiting to see how things come out before opening their mouths, is not in their repertoire.
 
Mycroft said:
Enjoy your delusion...you can bet those oppositional GOP Elites won't be enjoying anything anytime soon.

Trump isn't getting trolled. He is using the Democrats to slap it to the GOP Elites. Those guys have shown that they are okay playing their games...meanwhile, the government shuts down, the Harvey victims suffer...nothing gets done. Trump isn't having it.

Trump has no problem putting those GOP Elites in a bad position...in fact, that's exactly what he wants to do. This is just another step.

btw, Trump has given no indication that he doesn't want some form of DACA passed by Congress. In fact, he's done everything he can to enable them to send him something.
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He can give them all the chances in the world, their current track record speaks volumes against them at this point.

I do like the fact that he was willing to actually sit down with Nancy, but I honestly would not have given that woman the time of day with the way she's been acting. It took her months to actually realize that Antifa was not a "good thing" not to mention their is talk of her still being on the fence about BLM.
 
NeverTrumpGOP said:
I think it's hilarious seeing "hard-core" conservatives falling for traps set by Democrats.
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I think its funny how you consider actually working on a plan to get more relief for victims of a tragedy, as falling for a trap. Not to mention Trump was never a hard-core conservative, seeing as we have had eyes on him throughout the last 20 years. The man has been all over the board.
 
NeverTrumpGOP said:
Is that the new Trump motto? :lamo. Why'd he give them everything they wanted? What's the angle?
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Not really, its just a saying, and a rather safe way to be sure of watching for changes in current events. Instead of making unsubstantiated claims like a bloated gas sack all the damn time.
 
Fletch said:
This was predictable and, in fact, I predicted it before he won the election. Trump is not a republican. He has no loyalty to republicans and republicans have shown him that they cant deliver on anything. Trump wants to get things done. If republicans put bills on his desk, he will sign them. If democrats put bills on his desk, he will sign them. Anyone who is actually interested in bipartisanship have found the only guy willing to work with either side or both--Trump. If liberals could actually get over their hatred for the guy, they would find him quite useful for getting aspects of their agenda through.
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Yet is there currently any hope of that happening....?

Nope.
 
year2late said:
Republicans "own" Trump. I wish folks would stop associating him with the Dems.:lamo
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They have to "own" up to the fact they are at least partially responsible for his presidency. We can all sit here, and point fingers all we want, but its obvious that all of their brow beating was one of the things that got him in there.
 
Oborosen said:
They have to "own" up to the fact they are at least partially responsible for his presidency. We can all sit here, and point fingers all we want, but its obvious that all of their brow beating was one of the things that got him in there.
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Obama, the sitting President mocking him and thus those who saw something in Trump sure helped to Elect Trump, just totally did not understand the situation.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
Obama, the sitting President mocking him and thus those who saw something in Trump sure helped to Elect Trump, just totally did not understand the situation.
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I get it, he was in no way the best choice.
But when you have everyone on their own podium screaming, and yelling how he is racist, bigoted, homophobic etc. With only conjecture, and misrepresented quotes to use as ammunition. Not to mention when Hillary got everyone calling those that supported him deplorables. It started making people ask questions, and look for all of this crap they were trying to spread. Which not only spread truth about it all, but also sympathy as well.

I honesty think it was some sort of public relations war that the democrats were trying to wage on him, and that **** backfired big time.
 
Oborosen said:
I get it, he was in no way the best choice.
But when you have everyone on their own podium screaming, and yelling how he is racist, bigoted, homophobic etc. With only conjecture, and misrepresented quotes to use as ammunition. Not to mention when Hillary got everyone calling those that supported him deplorables. It started making people ask questions, and look for all of this crap they were trying to spread. Which not only spread truth about it all, but also sympathy as well.

I honesty think it was some sort of public relations war that the democrats were trying to wage on him, and that **** backfired big time.
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Right, they were going " HE is so totally scary!" thinking that was saying there was no way in Hell that he is a possible consideration and that we would follow the direction of our betters, but what many heard was "Wow, they sure are scared of him, he must be the right guy to send to give them a tune-up!".....them being all of the Elite, both divisions.
 
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Hawkeye10 said:
Right, they were going " HE is so totally scary!" thinking that was saying there was no way in Hell that he is a possible consideration, but what many heard was "Wow, they sure are scared of him, he must be the right guy to send to give them a tune-up!".....them being all of the Elite, both divisions.
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Unfortunately both parties need a swift kick in the ass, not to mention the other non-majority parties need to get their **** in gear. I would like to see if we can get an independent president sometime during my voting years, or at least while my pulse is still strong enough to know what day it is.
 
NeverTrumpGOP said:
It only took seven months into his Presidency but we are beginning to see the liberal Trump come out. You know the liberal he's been his whole life. He never had any intention of balancing the budget.



Trump bucks GOP leadership, backs Democratic deal on debt ceiling - CNNPolitics

The interesting thing here is that Democrats basically used Harvey to get the debt limit increased. They swooned Trump so that he would endorse it and it would pass even while the Republicans were working on their own plan. Trump seemingly did not want to listen to anything they had to say. Republicans should now see all that Trump is not the Republican he claimed to be.

Here's Trump praising Conservative archenemies Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer:


He has never shown that much love to GOP party leaders. Ever.

Trump sides with Democrats on debt ceiling, throwing Republican plans into chaos - Chicago Tribune

All smiles for Democrats. Especially if Trump decides to go ahead and accept a Democratic bill to replace DACA. What a weird thing for a Republican to do.
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Trump says," Republicane Leaders are hostile and impotent!" A perfect description.
 
NeverTrumpGOP said:
It only took seven months into his Presidency but we are beginning to see the liberal Trump come out. You know the liberal he's been his whole life. He never had any intention of balancing the budget.



Trump bucks GOP leadership, backs Democratic deal on debt ceiling - CNNPolitics

The interesting thing here is that Democrats basically used Harvey to get the debt limit increased. They swooned Trump so that he would endorse it and it would pass even while the Republicans were working on their own plan. Trump seemingly did not want to listen to anything they had to say. Republicans should now see all that Trump is not the Republican he claimed to be.

Here's Trump praising Conservative archenemies Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer:


He has never shown that much love to GOP party leaders. Ever.

Trump sides with Democrats on debt ceiling, throwing Republican plans into chaos - Chicago Tribune

All smiles for Democrats. Especially if Trump decides to go ahead and accept a Democratic bill to replace DACA. What a weird thing for a Republican to do.
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I think that you are making too many assumptions. The first incorrect assumption is that Trump has an ideology. He doesn't. He cares only about "winning" whatever that means.
The second false assumption is that Trump is a clever schemer that knows how to negotiate. He is neither -- that's how he got rolled by Schumer and Pelosi.
 
Nap said:
This is why I always laughed at Democrats trying to get their base in a frenzy over Trump. They have essentially pushed themselves into a corner that even when he agrees with them they go nuts. Case in point is DACA, he is trying to push Congress to make it law and you would think Democrats would be ecstatic about this but they are losing their minds.
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BS, Dems have known for a very long time that the GOP is incapable of creating any sort of compromise on immigration reform because of their extreme rw, so the only alternative was ex action. Dems did not want a reversal of the ex action because the same (or worse) Congressional environment exists, reform or even legislation for this aspect is not going to happen...so it becomes a long term (or permanent) reversal....and everyone, including the WH knows this is how it will play out.
 
MTAtech said:
I think that you are making too many assumptions. The first incorrect assumption is that Trump has an ideology. He doesn't. He cares only about "winning" whatever that means.
The second false assumption is that Trump is a clever schemer that knows how to negotiate. He is neither -- that's how he got rolled by Schumer and Pelosi.
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I never said either of these things, and quite agree with you, The problem I have is that Trump like a lot of Cons hate Republicans so much that they are willing to work with Dems who's main goals in life are completely opposite of Conservative talking points. Yet the enemy of my enemy is my friend mentality goes extreme in the base of the GOP. Trump should be a President First. Republican Second. But he has never been one of us.

I'm quite surprised that Trump is calling this a win. We'll see how it plays out in three months.
 
NeverTrumpGOP said:
What were the Republicans using for political leverage? They wanted 18 months! Why is 3 months better? Can ya tell me?
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This isn't that hard. The GOP needs Democratic votes to get ANY debt ceiling through, and for Harvey relief, and soon for Irma relief, and no way in hell were they going to give the GOP 18 months, not without painful and politically impossible concessions from the GOP. If the GOP could have gotten 18 months with no democratic support they'd have done it but the math just was not there - they need 60 votes.

It was surprising that the Democrats got their 'ask' on only 3 months but it's not that big a deal either way - they deal with it again in December or March. Whatever....
 
ttwtt78640 said:
Illegal aliens are subject to arrest and deportation and they should know that. To deny that is disingenuous.
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Right, they're expected to be Constitutional scholars and determine that a process endorsed by the POTUS and the relevant agencies is illegal, although the government for 5 years now has considered it entirely legal, and not take advantage of the relief offered.... Come on - that's unreasonable and you should know it.
 
JasperL said:
Right, they're expected to be Constitutional scholars and determine that a process endorsed by the POTUS and the relevant agencies is illegal, although the government for 5 years now has considered it entirely legal, and not take advantage of the relief offered.... Come on - that's unreasonable and you should know it.
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The POTUS making law is only OK if (when?) you happen to like that law. If Trump made a law that changed IRS "rules" and instructed IRS to print forms/instructions using the Trump "rules" then I doubt that you would be so supportive of that extra-constitutional executive power.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
The POTUS making law is only OK if (when?) you happen to like that law. If Trump made a law that changed IRS "rules" and instructed IRS to print forms/instructions using the Trump "rules" then I doubt that you would be so supportive of that extra-constitutional executive power.
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That's not really my point. What I would do as a tax preparer is assume the law as reflected on those forms was valid, if it helped, advise my clients to take advantage of the deal offered, and prepare and file returns consistent with it.

Heck, Paulson (as I recall) rewrote some SIGNIFICANT rules about NOLs during the financial collapse to benefit a few of the big boys buying out failed banks. No act of Congress, just the Treas. Sec. rewriting the rules with a stroke of his pen. The banks relying on that rule change sure as hell can expect that the IRS will honor it, and not need to do a constitutional analysis to figure out if Paulson had the authority or not, and if not, forego $10s of millions in tax benefits.
 
Fletch said:
. If republicans put bills on his desk, he will sign them. If democrats put bills on his desk, he will sign them.
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er uh fletch, I realize you're cowardly avoiding my posts but dems cant put a bill on Trumps desk. Republicans can block bills coming out of committee and the speaker can block votes. Pretty much the same thing in the senate. Here's a great example of a GSE reform bill that passed with full bipartisan support in the house but the senate chairman Frist refused to allow a vote on it.

Vern said:
Freddie Mac Tried to Kill Republican Regulatory Bill in 2005 | Fox News

"In the midst of DCI's yearlong effort, Hagel and 25 other Republican senators pleaded unsuccessfully with Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist, R-Tenn., to allow a vote."
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I have to ask, did you really think Schumer and Pelosi took a bill to Trump to sign?
 
ThoughtEx. said:
I don't think we should criticize Trump for this, I think we should praise him. The fact is, he cares deeply about his own popularity. If we use positive reinforcement when he does things we like, he'll keep doing things we like. Right now, the only people praising him are xenophobes.

We have an opportunity with this guy, he's easily influenced by public opinion. If we wise up, and start "leaking" reports of him doing things we like and then praising him for it. I bet he'll follow through and actually do it. This could be one of the few chances the people get to effect change in the government.

Imagine if Wall Street Journal released a "leaked' report stating Trump plans to introduce legislation that kills gerrymandering and sets up independent map drawers. And we all praised him for it. And then he did it. How great would that be...
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Your assuming that he is so self absorbed that positive feedback can turn him on a dime. While I agree that Donald just loves Donald , I tend to think this move was to punish GOP leaders and to change the narrative regarding the Russian probe.
 
Rich123 said:
Your assuming that he is so self absorbed that positive feedback can turn him on a dime. While I agree that Donald just loves Donald , I tend to think this move was to punish GOP leaders and to change the narrative regarding the Russian probe.
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He's not smart enough to think like that. And us hating him just a little less isn't going to change anything Mueller is doing, or will do.
 
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