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Trump and job creation

Chomsky said:
The OP posted clear irrefutable data.

You've presented nothing but vague hyperbolic assertions.
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Sorry that the data presented doesn't suit your agenda but it is official, very clear, concise, and accurate. Refute the bls.gov, bea.gov data
 
MTAtech said:
During the presidential campaign, Trump painted the jobs numbers under Obama as weak and terrible.

He Tweeted the below about his jobs numbers.



Well, how does Trump compare to Obama?

YearJanFebMarAprMayJunJulAugTotal for period
2016126237225153432972911761548
2017216232502071452101891561405

Well, if Trump says that his job numbers are "great," Obama's job numbers must have been great too. Moreover, in the last three months, Obama's numbers are much better than Trump's.
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Not sure where these numbers came from but here are the BLS.gov. numbers

Labor Force Statistics from the Current Population Survey
Original Data Value

Series Id: LNS12000000
Seasonally Adjusted
Series title: (Seas) Employment Level
Labor force status: Employed
Type of data: Number in thousands
Age: 16 years and over
Years: 2007 to 2017

Year Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec

2016 150533 151043 151301 151028 151058 151090 151546 151655 151926 151902 152048 152111
2017 152081 152528 153000 153156 152923 153168 153513 153439
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Conservative said:
Sorry that the data presented doesn't suit your agenda but it is official, very clear, concise, and accurate. Refute the bls.gov, bea.gov data
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I've seen your numbers, and Trump is not doing better than Obama at all. And he lost over 50K full time jobs last month. All he's adding is part-time crap jobs. And his August numbers were absolutely terrible. This is the Trump economy. Wall Street and Trump's wealthy billionaire buddies raking it in, while the working guy gets no raise and a part-time job.
 
Chomsky said:
I've seen your numbers, and Trump is not doing better than Obama at all. And he lost over 50K full time jobs last month. All he's adding is part-time crap jobs. And his August numbers were absolutely terrible. This is the Trump economy. Wall Street and Trump's wealthy billionaire buddies raking it in, while the working guy gets no raise and a part-time job.
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That describes Obama's economy to a "T". The rich got richer and the middle class was left behind
 
Born Free said:
That describes Obama's economy to a "T". The rich got richer and the middle class was left behind
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Exactly.

And Trump has done nothing as of yet to improve it, besides stocking government with his billionaire cronies. Nothing has changed.
 
Chomsky said:
I've seen your numbers, and Trump is not doing better than Obama at all. And he lost over 50K full time jobs last month. All he's adding is part-time crap jobs. And his August numbers were absolutely terrible. This is the Trump economy. Wall Street and Trump's wealthy billionaire buddies raking it in, while the working guy gets no raise and a part-time job.
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And yet vs. last year he is up over 1.8 MILLION, interesting and very selective use of numbers. Absolutely stunning how dedicated some are to propping up a true failure that the Obama resume predicted but was ignored.

Noticed you ignored the fact that part time for economic reasons also dropped every month of Trump vs. Obama showing that full time jobs and employment occurred. Again selective picking and choosing of numbers
 
Born Free said:
That describes Obama's economy to a "T". The rich got richer and the middle class was left behind
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The Obama rhetoric certainly didn't state that did it? wasn't he the guy that was going to level the playing field and return prosperity to the blacks? Absolutely amazing how the left ignores the results and buys the rhetoric
 
Chomsky said:
I've seen your numbers, and Trump is not doing better than Obama at all. And he lost over 50K full time jobs last month. All he's adding is part-time crap jobs. And his August numbers were absolutely terrible. This is the Trump economy. Wall Street and Trump's wealthy billionaire buddies raking it in, while the working guy gets no raise and a part-time job.
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As posted show me those Terrible August numbers vs. 2016? Still waiting? You simply cannot admit you are wrong

Labor Force Statistics from the Current Population Survey
Original Data Value

Series Id: LNS12032194
Seasonally Adjusted
Series title: (Seas) Employment Level - Part-Time for Economic Reasons, All Industries
Labor force status: Employed
Type of data: Number in thousands
Age: 16 years and over
Hours at work: 1 to 34 hours
Reasons work not as scheduled: Economic reasons
Worker status/schedules: At work part time
Years: 2007 to 2017

Year Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec

2016 6035 6019 6120 5970 6409 5820 5936 6027 5874 5850 5659 5598
2017 5840 5704 5553 5272 5219 5326 5282
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Looks to me like 650,000 fewer part time employees vs. August 2016. Please show me your numbers that prove differently and trump is creating part time jobs??
 
Conservative said:
And yet vs. last year he is up over 1.8 MILLION, interesting and very selective use of numbers. Absolutely stunning how dedicated some are to propping up a true failure that the Obama resume predicted but was ignored.

Noticed you ignored the fact that part time for economic reasons also dropped every month of Trump vs. Obama showing that full time jobs and employment occurred. Again selective picking and choosing of numbers
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Over Obama? No way. He's producing no more jobs than Obama! :doh

And he's still losing full-time jobs and producing part-time jobs.

Now if you're claiming Trump's produced 1.8M jobs this year, that's just about the number of job holders leaving the workforce annually. We need to add around 160K per month to break even, any less is a net jobs loss. And this month Trump fell short, at 153K. We lost jobs this month.
 
Chomsky said:
Over Obama? No way. He's producing no more jobs than Obama! :doh

And he's still losing full-time jobs and producing part-time jobs.

Now if you're claiming Trump's produced 1.8M jobs this year, that's just about the number of job holders leaving the workforce annually. We need to add around 160K per month to break even, any less is a net jobs loss. And this month Trump fell short, at 153K. We lost jobs this month.
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Look, I posted the numbers that you refuse to acknowledge, that doesn't do your credibility any good which apparently you don't care about. You really don't understand data at all but buy what you are told by the left and media. BLS.gov gives you the true picture which you want to ignore. I posted the total employment and that is NET. Already proved it with the numbers that you ignore
 
Chomsky said:
Despite Trump's lies and hyperbole, the OP's numbers cannot be disputed. Trump's job creation record is slightly below that of Obama's for the same period.

And August seems to be quite the slump, too. Hopefully it's an aberration.

But the big problem I see is the jobs added were net part-time. Full-time workers actually declined! That's hardly "winning" or making us "great".
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They're growing more and more desperate as their "great white hope" proves to be rather hopeless at the day-to-day running of the country.

There's been a lot of "Saying" about jobs, but what program, what EO has Trump signed that has had an immediate impact on jobs?

None.

This growth is on the same trajectory as Canada's as the North American market continues to build its way out of the American's destruction of the wolrd economy in '08.

Trump's been too busy fighting with the media, staving off investigations, and warring over the size of his inauguration, his hands and and ever-stroked ego.

What will tell if and when Orange Head has impacted the job market will be that miracle moment when West Virginia miners head back down into the coal pits.
 
Conservative said:
As posted show me those Terrible August numbers vs. 2016? Still waiting? You simply cannot admit you are wrong
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He created 153K jobs in August! Those are your numbers! :doh

(And we lost 160K)

Looks to me like 650,000 fewer part time employees vs. August 2016. Please show me your numbers that prove differently and trump is creating part time jobs??
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In August he created no net jobs.
 
Conservative said:
Look, I posted the numbers that you refuse to acknowledge, that doesn't do your credibility any good which apparently you don't care about. You really don't understand data at all but buy what you are told by the left and media. BLS.gov gives you the true picture which you want to ignore. I posted the total employment and that is NET. Already proved it with the numbers that you ignore
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Your numbers contradict you assertions.

Your boy had a net job loss this month, and he's no better than Obama.

Your numbers. Take 'em, or leave 'em.
 
Chomsky said:
Your numbers contradict you assertions.

Your boy had a net job loss this month, and he's no better than Obama.

Your numbers. Take 'em, or leave 'em.
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Maybe you need to get an elementary student to read these numbers to you

Labor Force Statistics from the Current Population Survey
Original Data Value

Series Id: LNS12000000
Seasonally Adjusted
Series title: (Seas) Employment Level
Labor force status: Employed
Type of data: Number in thousands
Age: 16 years and over
Years: 2007 to 2017

Year Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec
2007 146028 146057 146320 145586 145903 146063 145905 145682 146244 145946 146595 146273
2008 146378 146156 146086 146132 145908 145737 145532 145203 145076 144802 144100 143369
2009 142152 141640 140707 140656 140248 140009 139901 139492 138818 138432 138659 138013
2010 138438 138581 138751 139297 139241 139141 139179 139438 139396 139119 139044 139301
2011 139250 139394 139639 139586 139624 139384 139524 139942 140183 140368 140826 140902
2012 141584 141858 142036 141899 142206 142391 142292 142291 143044 143431 143333 143330
2013 143225 143315 143319 143603 143856 144006 144318 144304 144466 143577 144536 144741
2014 145055 145102 145715 145673 145819 146222 146461 146501 146845 147426 147361 147521
2015 148061 148108 148244 148522 148792 148742 148890 149092 148932 149255 149419 150030
2016 150533 151043 151301 151028 151058 151090 151546 151655 151926 151902 152048 152111
2017 152081 152528 153000 153156 152923 153168 153513 153439
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To make it simple for you, Last August there were `151.65 million Americans employed and this August it was 153,4 million Americans employed, that comes to about 1.8 million more Americans working this August that last August but according to you that is a job loss. You want to compare July to August ignoring the comparison to last year.
 
Chomsky said:
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He created 153K jobs in August! Those are your numbers! :doh

(And we lost 160K)

In August he created no net jobs.
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Vs. last year in August, 1.8 million more employed and 650,000 fewer part time for economic reasons vs. last year thus comparing Trump to Obama vs. comparing Trump to Trump which now you want to do
 
Chomsky said:
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He created 153K jobs in August! Those are your numbers! :doh

(And we lost 160K)

In August he created no net jobs.
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No, there was a net change of +156,000 nonfarm payroll jobs in August (seasonally adjusted)
Now, Conservative usually prefers net change in total employment as opposed to nonfarm payroll jobs. Total employment (seasonally adjusted) had a net change of -74,000 in August.
 
Conservative said:
Maybe you need to get an elementary student to read these numbers to you



To make it simple for you, Last August there were `151.65 million Americans employed and this August it was 153,4 million Americans employed, that comes to about 1.8 million more Americans working this August that last August but according to you that is a job loss. You want to compare July to August ignoring the comparison to last year.
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Yes, but you need 160K a month to break even from those entering the market place. Otherwise unemployment rises.

And that's exactly what happened in August. Trump added 153K, and the unemployment rate blipped up a tenth of a percent.

You need around 160K per month to break even. He failed, unemployment edged up. He fell a little under Obama's August 2016 156K, where the employment rate remained unchanged from the previous month.
 
Chomsky said:
Yes, but you need 160K a month to break even from those entering the market place. Otherwise unemployment rises.

And that's exactly what happened in August. Trump added 153K, and the unemployment rate blipped up a tenth of a percent.

You need around 160K per month to break even. He failed, unemployment edged up. He fell a little under Obama's August 2016 156K, where the employment rate remained unchanged from the previous month.
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I gave you the data for August and every month of 2017 vs. Obama in 2016. please post for me the month that Obama's employment numbers were better than Trump's?

As with most radicals you want to ignore the part time for economic reasons and what that does to the unemployment numbers, 600,000 more in 2016 than in 2017 basically are what you are giving Obama credit for and ignoring that improvement under Trump. You will also ignore the discouraged worker drop under Trump vs. Obama which tells you that the people believe in the Trump economy over Obama and how that number affects the official unemployment rates.

The data is the data and right now there are 1.8 million more Americans employed in August this year vs. Obama, that is reality but you want to compare Trump's August to Trump's July. Why is it so hard for you and others to admit when wrong?
 
pinqy said:
No, there was a net change of +156,000 nonfarm payroll jobs in August (seasonally adjusted)
Now, Conservative usually prefers net change in total employment as opposed to nonfarm payroll jobs. Total employment (seasonally adjusted) had a net change of -74,000 in August.
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Ah, but 156K added barely breaks even.

We need around 160K added to keep up with the expanding pool job of candidates.

Ostensibly, this was displayed by the slight uptick in the unemployment rate.

160K essentially gets us nothing. We're threading water.
 
Chomsky said:
Yes, but you need 160K a month to break even from those entering the market place. Otherwise unemployment rises.
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Where on earth did you get that idea?

And that's exactly what happened in August. Trump added 153K, and the unemployment rate blipped up a tenth of a percent.
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Well, your main flaw is the +156K is nonfarm payroll jobs, comes from the Current Employment Statistics, and is NOT used to calculate the unemployment rate.

The unemployment rate went slightly up (not statistically significant) because total employment went from 153,513,000 to 153,439,000 (-74,000) and unemployment went from 6,981,000 to 7,132,000 (+153,000) so that the labor force went from 160,494,000 to 160,571,000 (+77,000).
6,981,000/160,494,000 = 4.3% and 7,132,000/160,571,000 = 4.4%

You need around 160K per month to break even.
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Please show your math.
 
Conservative said:
I gave you the data for August and every month of 2017 vs. Obama in 2016. please post for me the month that Obama's employment numbers were better than Trump's?

As with most radicals you want to ignore the part time for economic reasons and what that does to the unemployment numbers, 600,000 more in 2016 than in 2017 basically are what you are giving Obama credit for and ignoring that improvement under Trump. You will also ignore the discouraged worker drop under Trump vs. Obama which tells you that the people believe in the Trump economy over Obama and how that number affects the official unemployment rates.

The data is the data and right now there are 1.8 million more Americans employed in August this year vs. Obama, that is reality but you want to compare Trump's August to Trump's July. Why is it so hard for you and others to admit when wrong?
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But there are approximately that many more Americans entering the workforce annually. Which is why the workforce participation numbers for Trump are little better than Obama's 2016.

And yes, Trump had a bad month in August. The numbers don't lie. And Trump's trajectory is no better than Obama's. The numbers don't lie there, either.
 
pinqy said:
Where on earth did you get that idea?

Well, your main flaw is the +156K is nonfarm payroll jobs, comes from the Current Employment Statistics, and is NOT used to calculate the unemployment rate.

The unemployment rate went slightly up (not statistically significant) because total employment went from 153,513,000 to 153,439,000 (-74,000) and unemployment went from 6,981,000 to 7,132,000 (+153,000) so that the labor force went from 160,494,000 to 160,571,000 (+77,000).
6,981,000/160,494,000 = 4.3% and 7,132,000/160,571,000 = 4.4%

Please show your math.
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This number of around 160K is being used to reflect the U.S. population growth. It is approximate, obviously.

For example, the WSJ claims 145K:

The New Magic Number for Monthly Job Growth: 145,000

I'm happy to hear your comments, if you disagree.
 
Chomsky said:
But there are approximately that many more Americans entering the workforce annually. Which is why the workforce participation numbers for Trump are little better than Obama's 2016.

And yes, Trump had a bad month in August. The numbers don't lie. And Trump's trajectory is no better than Obama's. The numbers don't lie there, either.
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So tell me were there no one entering the work force in 2009-2010-2011-2012? Want me to post those employment numbers? Trump didn't have a bad month in August beating Obama's by 1.8 million.

You are a perfect example of what is wrong in this country today, you cannot admit when proven wrong. your logic, common sense is skewed by a failed leftwing ideology that you want to believe.
 
Conservative said:
So tell me were there no one entering the work force in 2009-2010-2011-2012? Want me to post those employment numbers? Trump didn't have a bad month in August beating Obama's by 1.8 million.
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Trump so far has done no better than Obama. And he isn't reducing the unemployment rate any faster.

You are a perfect example of what is wrong in this country today, you cannot admit when proven wrong. your logic, common sense is skewed by a failed leftwing ideology that you want to believe.
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Despite your personal attacks, the numbers don't lie. I suggest you stick with the numbers.
 
Conservative said:
So tell me were there no one entering the work force in 2009-2010-2011-2012? Want me to post those employment numbers? Trump didn't have a bad month in August beating Obama's by 1.8 million. .
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But July 2017 was 2 million higher than July 2016. What happened? In August 2016, employment went up 109,000 and in August 2017, employment went DOWN 73,000.
 
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