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Trump and job creation

MTAtech said:
Of course, but it isn't happening in a vacuum. Without the demand from government, those workers wouldn't be working. But if you are going to be obtuse, government directly creates jobs too. Firemen, police, teacher, food inspectors, air traffic controllers are all jobs directly created by government. To deny that would be like denying that the sky is blue.
The money to pay those salaries comes from the private sector.
You create a disparity where one does not exist. A job is a job. An air traffic controller and a lap dancer are two workers -- one is funded by the public, the other by the private sector. We won't make judgements about which is more useful to society. The point being is that it makes no difference where the salaries come from. Public monies used to pay people for useful work doesn't crowd out private jobs.
 
Well, if Trump says that his job numbers are "great," Obama's job numbers must have been great too. Moreover, in the last three months, Obama's numbers are much better than Trump's.

Anybody attempting to give Trump credit for job numbers in the first 6-7 months of his presidency is an idiot who knows nothing about economics. You cannot alter something as massive as the U.S. economy in such a short period of time. When President Obama took office in 2009 he passed the stimulus package with in two weeks. It was a full 6 months before we started seeing any real effects from that bill. Trump has yet to pass any piece of serious economic legislation that could impact the economy for better or worse. Everything we're seeing right now is a continuation of the excellent economy that resulted from the actions of President Obama and congressional democrats going back to 2009 and 2010.

Trump is getting closer to a point where I might say it's his economy, but he really hasn't done much that could impact anything. That being said the unemployment rate did tick up this month from 4.3% to 4.4% based on a weak jobs report. That may be a bad sign, but it may just be an outlyer it's way to early to tell.
 
Anybody attempting to give Trump credit for job numbers in the first 6-7 months of his presidency is an idiot who knows nothing about economics. You cannot alter something as massive as the U.S. economy in such a short period of time. When President Obama took office in 2009 he passed the stimulus package with in two weeks. It was a full 6 months before we started seeing any real effects from that bill. Trump has yet to pass any piece of serious economic legislation that could impact the economy for better or worse. Everything we're seeing right now is a continuation of the excellent economy that resulted from the actions of President Obama and congressional democrats going back to 2009 and 2010.

Trump is getting closer to a point where I might say it's his economy, but he really hasn't done much that could impact anything. That being said the unemployment rate did tick up this month from 4.3% to 4.4% based on a weak jobs report. That may be a bad sign, but it may just be an outlyer it's way to early to tell.
Well, Trump is taking credit for saif job numbers.
 
Well, Trump is taking credit for saif job numbers.

I betcha if the Obummer economy had ended like the Bush economy did, Trump wouldn't be taking credit for all the job losses.
 
You create a disparity where one does not exist. A job is a job. An air traffic controller and a lap dancer are two workers -- one is funded by the public, the other by the private sector. We won't make judgements about which is more useful to society. The point being is that it makes no difference where the salaries come from. Public monies used to pay people for useful work doesn't crowd out private jobs.

A job is a job? Try living on part time salary with full time expenses. You and others have touted how great the economy was under Obama by pointing to job figures when the reality is the electorate got it, when will you?

Name for me the policies that Obama put in place to help the private sector? Public monies come from both state and federal dollars but you don't seem to grasp that either. States cannot print money and thus have to cut people whereas the Federal Govt. simply prints money and employment has grown there.
 
Anybody attempting to give Trump credit for job numbers in the first 6-7 months of his presidency is an idiot who knows nothing about economics. You cannot alter something as massive as the U.S. economy in such a short period of time. When President Obama took office in 2009 he passed the stimulus package with in two weeks. It was a full 6 months before we started seeing any real effects from that bill. Trump has yet to pass any piece of serious economic legislation that could impact the economy for better or worse. Everything we're seeing right now is a continuation of the excellent economy that resulted from the actions of President Obama and congressional democrats going back to 2009 and 2010.

Trump is getting closer to a point where I might say it's his economy, but he really hasn't done much that could impact anything. That being said the unemployment rate did tick up this month from 4.3% to 4.4% based on a weak jobs report. That may be a bad sign, but it may just be an outlyer it's way to early to tell.

Sorry but morale attitude make a difference in business hiring. Businesses know they will not be penalized for being successful under Trump and are hiring accordingly. your attempts to give Obama credit are focused on the wrong metrics and what they actually did. Obama's results gave us Trump, thank you Obama!
 
I betcha if the Obummer economy had ended like the Bush economy did, Trump wouldn't be taking credit for all the job losses.

The Bush economy was aided by the Democrats who wanted the WH more than they wanted to help the American people. That is basic civics, suggest you take a course
 
Sorry but morale attitude make a difference in business hiring. Businesses know they will not be penalized for being successful under Trump and are hiring accordingly. your attempts to give Obama credit are focused on the wrong metrics and what they actually did. Obama's results gave us Trump, thank you Obama!

Bull****, businesses know that the president isn't the be all, end all and that he also needs a congress to work with him. Currently congress is not doing that so no business in their right mind would make decisions based on a presidential election.
 
The Bush economy was aided by the Democrats who wanted the WH more than they wanted to help the American people. That is basic civics, suggest you take a course

This coming from a man that doesn't know that Obama didn't run a third term but still claims Obama lost. When you get your civics class done, let us know because you failed miserably.
 
Bull****, businesses know that the president isn't the be all, end all and that he also needs a congress to work with him. Currently congress is not doing that so no business in their right mind would make decisions based on a presidential election.

Really? ever run a business? I have and you are wrong. Eliminating taxes and regulations is pro business, something Obama never did in his entire term
 
This coming from a man that doesn't know that Obama didn't run a third term but still claims Obama lost. When you get your civics class done, let us know because you failed miserably.

This coming from someone who doesn't understand economics or leadership and how Obama gave us Trump! Results matter but results are a foreign concept to you
 
Really? ever run a business? I have and you are wrong. Eliminating taxes and regulations is pro business, something Obama never did in his entire term

Nobody runs their business based on ONLY a presidential election. They wait to see what bills will be passed and get a good feel for the current situation. Your comments are full of **** as usual con. Now go peddle your wares to some dumb**** Trumptard. Maybe they will buy it. Noone of intelligence even buys the crap your selling.
 
This coming from someone who doesn't understand economics or leadership and how Obama gave us Trump! Results matter but results are a foreign concept to you

Oh I understand that Trump duped a lot of people, that is clear. Results don't matter to you or you wouldn't support a perv like Trump who liked to peek on underage girls.
 
Oh I understand that Trump duped a lot of people, that is clear. Results don't matter to you or you wouldn't support a perv like Trump who liked to peek on underage girls.

LOL, keep living in the past allowing hatred to blind you to reality. Results do matter, economic and national security. What Trump supposed did pales in relationship to what other Presidents did including Democratic Icon, Clinton who paid 750,000 to shut up Paula Jones and got a blow job in the Oval office. Your selective outrage is quite telling
 
Nobody runs their business based on ONLY a presidential election. They wait to see what bills will be passed and get a good feel for the current situation. Your comments are full of **** as usual con. Now go peddle your wares to some dumb**** Trumptard. Maybe they will buy it. Noone of intelligence even buys the crap your selling.

Businesses are affected by Presidential elections and you ought to know that, there is a reason we had the slowest recovery in history under Obama and that is due to the commitment Obama made to social issues and wealth redistribution. You buy rhetoric and ignore results which makes you a radical not an independent
 
LOL, keep living in the past allowing hatred to blind you to reality. Results do matter, economic and national security. What Trump supposed did pales in relationship to what other Presidents did including Democratic Icon, Clinton who paid 750,000 to shut up Paula Jones and got a blow job in the Oval office. Your selective outrage is quite telling

Again, if paying someone $750,000 is admission of guilt, than Trump paying $25,000,000 shows he is really guilty and proves once again that results don't matter to you. A father of a daughter would be ashamed of supporting Trump, but maybe they get off on it instead.
 
Businesses are affected by Presidential elections and you ought to know that, there is a reason we had the slowest recovery in history under Obama and that is due to the commitment Obama made to social issues and wealth redistribution. You buy rhetoric and ignore results which makes you a radical not an independent

Yes businesses are affected by presidential elections but businesses don't base their decisions right on election day as you claim. They wait and see how congress, the president AND other factors happen first. You buy into rhetoric that someone the president is God and that businesses make decisions right on election day. I am independent, you are just pro-perv.
 
Yes businesses are affected by presidential elections but businesses don't base their decisions right on election day as you claim. They wait and see how congress, the president AND other factors happen first. You buy into rhetoric that someone the president is God and that businesses make decisions right on election day. I am independent, you are just pro-perv.

Starting day one, they saw Trump relieve both taxes and regulations but of course you were too busy with hatred to see that
 
Again, if paying someone $750,000 is admission of guilt, than Trump paying $25,000,000 shows he is really guilty and proves once again that results don't matter to you. A father of a daughter would be ashamed of supporting Trump, but maybe they get off on it instead.

The 750,000 was ordered by the courts, show me the court case against Trump? absolutely stunning how hatred drives some people. Ever hear of the Bimbo Eruptions?
 
Starting day one, they saw Trump relieve both taxes and regulations but of course you were too busy with hatred to see that

And yet again, that is not enough they still wait to see how things go before going on a hiring binge. But of course you're too busy with your Trump loving to see that.
 
The 750,000 was ordered by the courts, show me the court case against Trump? absolutely stunning how hatred drives some people. Ever hear of the Bimbo Eruptions?

LOL you think Trump is innocent so he paid 25 million? :lamo Give me a break, it's stunning that some Trumptards have their heads up Trumps ass.
 
A job is a job? Try living on part time salary with full time expenses. You and others have touted how great the economy was under Obama by pointing to job figures when the reality is the electorate got it, when will you?

Name for me the policies that Obama put in place to help the private sector? Public monies come from both state and federal dollars but you don't seem to grasp that either. States cannot print money and thus have to cut people whereas the Federal Govt. simply prints money and employment has grown there.

You want a full time job? Get the baby boomers to start retiring when they hit 65. That's the real problem. Medical Science has advanced to the point we are living way longer than the system is designed to handle. With how large the boomer generation is compared to Gen X, them holding onto full time positions for an extra two decades is really ****ing both Gen X and Millennials over in a big big way.

Can't create new jobs without demand, well, Boomers are increasingly saving their money. And Gen X and Millennials are becoming to poor to participate in the economy. This is driving demand down, which means fewer jobs to meet that demand. Which means less opportunity for Gen X and millennials to get newly created full time jobs. We are in a cycle down. Which means when boomers finally do retire or die off in what is looking like 30 years from now, the leading edge of millennials will be close to retirement age and their will be less jobs than there are now.

But let's cut taxes to the top 1% that should fix the increasing lack of demand...
 
You want a full time job? Get the baby boomers to start retiring when they hit 65. That's the real problem. Medical Science has advanced to the point we are living way longer than the system is designed to handle. With how large the boomer generation is compared to Gen X, them holding onto full time positions for an extra two decades is really ****ing both Gen X and Millennials over in a big big way.

Can't create new jobs without demand, well, Boomers are increasingly saving their money. And Gen X and Millennials are becoming to poor to participate in the economy. This is driving demand down, which means fewer jobs to meet that demand. Which means less opportunity for Gen X and millennials to get newly created full time jobs. We are in a cycle down. Which means when boomers finally do retire or die off in what is looking like 30 years from now, the leading edge of millennials will be close to retirement age and their will be less jobs than there are now.

But let's cut taxes to the top 1% that should fix the increasing lack of demand...

What gave you that (bolded above) idea?

Despite some expectations that baby boomers will defy the usual working patterns of aging Americans and stay in the workforce longer than those who came before them, the data do not appear to support that expectation. Boomers aged 65 to 68 are retiring at about the same rate as those who were in that age range a few years ago. By age 68, only about a third of boomers are still in the workforce, including just 16% who are working full time. Prior research indicates that from a long-term perspective, the average retirement age has been increasing, but according to these new findings, in the short term, boomers appear to be leaving the workforce in predictable numbers.

Only a Third of the Oldest Baby Boomers in U.S. Still Working | Gallup

Your point about folks (of all generations) living longer is valid when it comes to funding retirement systems (both public and private) since it changes the ratio of current workers to retired workers.
 
What gave you that (bolded above) idea?



Only a Third of the Oldest Baby Boomers in U.S. Still Working | Gallup

Your point about folks (of all generations) living longer is valid when it comes to funding retirement systems (both public and private) since it changes the ratio of current workers to retired workers.

I'm a retirement planner, Boomers are a generation that spans 20 years. I'm not merely speaking of the ones that have already hit 65. Of which you are right, 1/3 have opted not to retire because of their own poor planning. The problem is they were largely sold a bill of goods on a 401k fad a couple decades ago, which has left the average boomer with about 25k saved up for retirement. And as they approach the age, they are increasingly saving their money and planning to work extra years to make up the difference of what they should have squirreled away their whole life, rather than buying a bill of goods on a single private contribution plan and blowing the rest of their earnings year to year.

In the coming years you will see that the leading edge of boomers were better planners than the back end, hence why only a 1/3 of them have stayed in the workforce past retirement age, so far. But just that 1/3 not vacating positions, is causing problems. It's a really large generation. When WW2 ended people got to ****ing like crazy apparently. And with those stupid ageist laws, if a boomer wants to stay on, they are staying on.

And honestly it wouldn't be a problem if we just coordinated job training in the younger generations better. There are plenty of full time jobs in the US, they are just in industries that require 1-2 years of vocational training. Boomers are holding onto the low tech manufacturing and traditional office jobs, which are being phased out anyway with technology. The kind of technology that is being bottle necked by lack of qualified employees to manufacture said technology. Because millennials were all told to go to college rather than vocational school. I'm well off now, but if I had gone to vocational school, I'd be much better off by this point in my life. And I went to college on a full scholarship and got out debt free. Most of my peers won't be so lucky.

Basically it's all a cluster****, a cluster**** that developed under the boomers watch. And those old bastards are already blaming it on millennials. Millennials are killing the diamond industry, millennials are killing the restaurant industry, millennials are killing vacations. That list is ever growing. We aren't killing anything, we just can't afford anything. Because we have crippling debt and we know we won't be able to rely on SS. So we don't spend like the boomers did, as if there is no tomorrow. Which is going to slow the economy down. I would say our economy is faster than it should be, because of boomer choices over their lifetimes. Like running an engine above the red line. Eventually, we got to return to some sustainable rpms.
 
You want a full time job? Get the baby boomers to start retiring when they hit 65. That's the real problem. Medical Science has advanced to the point we are living way longer than the system is designed to handle. With how large the boomer generation is compared to Gen X, them holding onto full time positions for an extra two decades is really ****ing both Gen X and Millennials over in a big big way.

Can't create new jobs without demand, well, Boomers are increasingly saving their money. And Gen X and Millennials are becoming to poor to participate in the economy. This is driving demand down, which means fewer jobs to meet that demand. Which means less opportunity for Gen X and millennials to get newly created full time jobs. We are in a cycle down. Which means when boomers finally do retire or die off in what is looking like 30 years from now, the leading edge of millennials will be close to retirement age and their will be less jobs than there are now.

But let's cut taxes to the top 1% that should fix the increasing lack of demand...

Retirement has absolutely nothing to do with the labor force GROWING and FULL TIME jobs being created. I posted the employment chart which is ignored. All this Anti Trump hatred and pro Obama rhetoric serves no purpose. Trump IS PRESIDENT and regardless if you like him that is irrelevant, better hope he succeeds and so far the ACTUAL results show that he is.

Too many people are indoctrinated into believing the top 1% can fund the liberal spending appetite thus have to raise their taxes as if they won't change their behavior. Rather sad our education system is creating such radicals that don't understand it is the people's money first not the govt. and we have a spending problem at the federal level.
 
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