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Why are Trump supporters indifferent of his divisiveness?

I think when people march around with swastikas chanting "Jews will not replace us" it's pretty safe to call them Nazis.

Sure, but that doesn't give anyone permission to beat them up.

And when people walk around wearing MAGA hats and support Trump, it's pretty safe to NOT call them Nazis. Yet, Antifa does and beats them up over it.
 
Sure, but that doesn't give anyone permission to beat them up.

And when people walk around wearing MAGA hats and support Trump, it's pretty safe to NOT call them Nazis. Yet, Antifa does and beats them up over it.

Some of those Trump supporters are Nazis.
 
That is probably one of the oddest things I have observed the last 6 months. Trump is probably the most divisive president since Lincoln. He attacks the media, protesters, Democrats, leaders of his own party, members of his own administration, CEOs who were on his own councils, etc.

During Charlottesville, a tragedy that most leaders would see as an opportunity to unify the nation against a common threat, he decided to provide cover for white supremacists (those "fine people" who just care about historical statues) because of the hate on "all sides", albeit only one side murdered a woman.

During a natural disaster, Hurricane Harvey, most leaders would want the country focused on standing strong together, but Trump chooses that exact moment to flip off liberals and Latinos by pardoning an unrepentant criminal before he was even sentenced because apparently he was "just doing his job" of racially profiling and unlawfully detaining people, including Hispanic American citizens. He also chose that same moment to ban transgenders in the military from openly serving, even though he can point to no evidence that they have done anything to harm the effectiveness of our military and he is spitting in the face of brave Americans who are willing to serve.

Trump appears quite willing to be a president just for his base, to put them above the law, and to disrespect and ignore the other two thirds of America. His supporters seem to love him for it, but I wonder what the consequences will be for their choices. Obama was moderate and tempered by comparison, and he ended up being despised on a visceral level by many Americans. Now Trump supporters appear to be making the mistake of ignoring how people outside of Trump world feel about his divisive tactics.

1. they dont follow politics as much as you. Most citizens are busy working, taking care of families, and could care less about politics beyond when it gets hyped up in an election. So they probably have never heard 90% of anything hes done, and since its just noise it doesnt really matter. Combine that with a media who is obsessed with criticizing Trump, and they turn the channel. Trump may very well do something that actually matters, good or bad, and no one will ever know, because the media has destroyed their reputation
2. they are just as divisive as he is and democrats are, but they dont have a huge megaphone
3. they are just as partisan as democrats and want to win and destroy their enemies. Whoever and whatever gets them that is ok. In other words, most americans dont have principles.
 
Im not sure how to answer your question because my answer is both yes and no.

yes I care in that When Trump is guilty of doing certain things I dont like from your side I condemn that. Two wrongs do not make a right. For instance when he told his crowd he would pay legal fees for a guy for hitting someone. I dont cheer him on.

No I dont care about the mountain of nensense complaints that people say they are offended by. I think they are inaccurate at best and dishonest at worst. Either way Im not going to be upset with Trump for other peoples interputations of his words/actions

I will tell you something else about all this that does the left no favors in winning any sympathy from me on this topic. Im not saying you, because I dont know you, but many people right here on this board will read my post and lump into the catagory of racist, bigot, deplorable simply because I dont share their complaint. They will use that to dismiss anything i have to say that they dont like. It leaves no room for any open dialouge. It leaves me in the position of not wanting to bother even trying to discuss something because of the very offensive brick wall they put up.

I think its all very childish and what bothers people in dealing with Trump is that he behaves just as childish as they do. Trump dismisses the left and puts up a brick wall by calling it fake news or whatever just like the left does with calling everyone racists.

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Well said and how I feel as well.
 
Do you honestly care about his victims? You could Google it and research it yourself.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wa...e-arpaios-victims-he-doesnt-deserve-a-pardon/

You stated "arrested". This guy wasn't arrested. Which is a perfect example of the hyperbole, rhetoric, exaggeration....whatever you want to call it, that pushes any reasonable conversation away. When actions or report of actions are inflated, and it happens over and over, people don't even bother to listen anymore. Like the boy who cried wolf. Anything real will now get overlooked. No one is helping their cause. And if you're not trying to convince people, you're just complaining.
 
First, IMO, the exposure of the trash in D.C. pretending to have the best interests of the people of this country at heart.

Second, the exposure of the fraud, manipulation, and extreme bias of the Nations MSM. You can lie to people some of the time........

Third, the exposure of the left's Culture War, and the lengths they will go to tear the country apart to achieve their objective.

There are many others, but these seem to me some of the most important.

Exposure? You think that justifies being so divisive? South Park did a better job of exposing those things and it didn't require pissing on two thirds of the nation. You guys are as bad as the leftists you hate, if not worse because you knew what they were and you are now acting no different so you are adding hypocrisy to the whole thing.
 
During a natural disaster, Hurricane Harvey, most leaders would want the country focused on standing strong together, but Trump chooses that exact moment to flip off liberals and Latinos by pardoning an unrepentant criminal before he was even sentenced because apparently he was "just doing his job" of racially profiling and unlawfully detaining people, including Hispanic American citizens. He also chose that same moment to ban transgenders in the military from openly serving, even though he can point to no evidence that they have done anything to harm the effectiveness of our military and he is spitting in the face of brave Americans who are willing to serve.


The ban on transgenders was in the works way before this. Not exactly a surprise.

Maybe because that's not all he did? You purposely overlook anything positive he has said, done or is doing regarding Hurricane Harvey. Why?
 
You stated "arrested". This guy wasn't arrested. Which is a perfect example of the hyperbole, rhetoric, exaggeration....whatever you want to call it, that pushes any reasonable conversation away. When actions or report of actions are inflated, and it happens over and over, people don't even bother to listen anymore. Like the boy who cried wolf. Anything real will now get overlooked. No one is helping their cause. And if you're not trying to convince people, you're just complaining.

So...you are putting words in my mouth now because you didn't realize what an ass this Sheriff was and can't defend his actions? Pretty weak.

While we are on it, how do you justify this...

After months of more arduous reporting, we would find that the sheriff’s office had stopped investigating sex crimes, depleted its patrol division and nearly bankrupted itself in taking on immigration enforcement.

...

Giblin and I found that the sheriff’s police work faltered across the board in its mission to protect the citizens of Maricopa County. Detectives shelved dozens of sex crime cases without investigating them. By Arpaio’s own admission, the number of uninvestigated sex crime cases eventually swelled to more than 400. Many of the victims were children.

http://www.newsweek.com/who-joe-arpaio-felon-maricopa-arizona-trump-has-pardoned-655609
 
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Exposure? You think that justifies being so divisive? South Park did a better job of exposing those things and it didn't require pissing on two thirds of the nation. You guys are as bad as the leftists you hate, if not worse because you knew what they were and you are now acting no different so you are adding hypocrisy to the whole thing.

LOL

I don't think South Park gets the exposure the President of the US does.

I think it's a bit disingenuous to expect people on the right to sit quietly while the left engages in a full scale Culture War of hate and ruin against them.

Why should they do that?

I can't imagine any other politician with the cajones to give as good as he gets, than President Trump.

I don't like this Culture War the left has launched. I also completely reject the efforts of the Progressive Machine. It needs to be exposed so everyone can see who is pulling the strings, and can act accordingly.

The President, via his actions, is opening the door for these alt-left organizations to expose themselves, and their affiliations.
 
Some of those Trump supporters are Nazis.

Really? So it's ok to beat up a group of people, because you might get lucky and a couple are Nazis? Wow.
 
Literally one of the most idiotic statements ever made on DP. And that's saying a LOT. :doh

Everything you mumble on this board is idiotic. Nothing out of the ordinary though. The norm.
 
So...you are putting words in my mouth now because you didn't realize what an ass this Sheriff was and can't defend his actions? Pretty weak.

While we are on it, how do you justify this...



Who Is Joe Arpaio? The Villain from Maricopa, Arizona Trump Has Pardoned?

My bad, you didn't actually state it. RA did. In response, a request for a link was asked for. When asked for a link for the legal Americans that were arrested, did you not provide the link?

I don't justify anything. You missed my point. Again, why would anyone care once they find out the original claim was false? Follow my logic, and if you still think it's fine, ok then.

1. A posts that he arrested legal American citizens and held them.
2. Checks out a link given, only to read that no one was arrested.
3. Something else is posted bad about him, and gives a different link.
4. Why the hell should we bother, the first one was a lie.

Again....Like the boy who cried wolf. Anything real will now get overlooked. No one is helping their cause. And if you're not trying to convince people, you're just complaining.
 
The ban on transgenders was in the works way before this. Not exactly a surprise.

Maybe because that's not all he did? You purposely overlook anything positive he has said, done or is doing regarding Hurricane Harvey. Why?

Can you answer my question?
 
The divisiveness isn't a "failing." It's a feature.
 
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Well said and how I feel as well.

And gets to what I said about people turning the channel. Most likely people dont even know whats going on because theyre busy and dont want to see the medias obsession with everything Trump. People on this forum dont seem to realize we are not representative of most of america, or most of Trumps supporters. Trump is divisive, Democrats are divisive, and the people on this forum are just as bad. Which is why no one cars. Divisive is the new normal.
 
Anyway, I don't support Nazis, the KKK OR Antifa. When any of those groups use violence to express their hatred and bigotry, I condemn them. If any of them want to demonstrate in a peaceful, non-violent manner they are allowed to do so. That is guaranteed by our Constitution. I am free to ignore their demonstration. Nobody is free to bust their heads.

Which didn't address my argument at all.
It's obvious you reject violence when it suits your whim. This was never in question.
You omitted everything else that's bad, wrong, and evil, with Nazis and the KKK, which is what Trump, and you, got called out on.

No one claimed you should prevent them from free speech or violate the constitution. That's a straw man.
 
Again....Like the boy who cried wolf. Anything real will now get overlooked. No one is helping their cause.
But why do you not just apply that same leap to "he's crying wolf" to Trump? You know, he's cried wolf more than Critical thought by about a factor of 100, from a position that's dramatically more important to the nation (sorry Critical thought, I don't know your occupation I'm just guessing), MATTERS that are dramatically more important.

(Matters was not intended to reference you know what)
 
Which didn't address my argument at all.
It's obvious you reject violence when it suits your whim. This was never in question.
You omitted everything else that's bad, wrong, and evil, with Nazis and the KKK, which is what Trump, and you, got called out on.

No one claimed you should prevent them from free speech or violate the constitution. That's a straw man.

My whim? I have NEVER supported violent protest. I have no "whim". Take your slander and shove it.

I've omitted nothing. I, like the President, condemned both sides.

In reality, the LEFT/TRUMP HATERS are the ones giving Antifa a pass, ignoring their violent actions or outright supporting their actions. And THAT is not a strawman. That's just facts.
 
My whim? I have NEVER supported violent protest. I have no "whim". Take your slander and shove it.
Ouch, such an absolute? That's worse IMO.
I simply left the door open for the potential of living in an authoritarian, oppressive regime, where you did not have constitutional rights.
I would be OK with violently protesting against that, up to and including civil war. But if you'd be a pacifist under those circumstances, OK, I stand corrected.

I've omitted nothing. I, like the President, condemned both sides.
Trump condemned "all sides" for violence.
You condemned "both sides" for violence.
You both left out all the other really bad stuff mentioned about the KKK/Nazis's that so many Republican leaders, and obviously independent and Democrat leaders, and average people, have saw fit to call out as deplorable, anti-American values, etc. Trump DID later go back and name a bunch of names, then he backed off again and defended his all-sides claim in pure Trumpian fashion.

In reality, the LEFT/TRUMP HATERS are the ones giving Antifa a pass, ignoring their violent actions or outright supporting their actions. And THAT is not a strawman. That's just facts.
"The Left" didn't ignore it, still a strawman.
 
Ouch, such an absolute? That's worse IMO.
I simply left the door open for the potential of living in an authoritarian, oppressive regime, where you did not have constitutional rights.
I would be OK with violently protesting against that, up to and including civil war. But if you'd be a pacifist under those circumstances, OK, I stand corrected.

Interesting to note some of the biggest supporters of their 2A rights are often vocal they would never ever engage in violent protests. I mean, do they think they are kidding any of us that they would just voluntarily give up their guns to the government?
 
A lot of the Trump supporters who celebrate Arpaio's pardoning simply do not care that Arpaio illegally held innocent American citizens captive in harsh conditions without trial, because they do not see hispanic Americans as Americans. Sympathizing with Arpaio means sympathizing with arbitrarily locking up brown people without due process on the whims of a government bureaucrat. You can not be for law and order, the constitution, or racial equality if you support Arpaio and his highly illegal and unconstitutional tactics.

Harsh conditions is not saying enough.
He put them in tents compounds in the desert. Many died as a result. Then to further humiliate them he forced them to work on a chain gang in "Pink underwear." That's the man Trump chose to pardoned when so many are suffering from Harvey. And in the wake of two Navel dissasters and the death and violence at Charlottesville. He's the "Great uniter." Don't you know? He sats so.
 
Interesting to note some of the biggest supporters of their 2A rights are often vocal they would never ever engage in violent protests. I mean, do they think they are kidding any of us that they would just voluntarily give up their guns to the government?
I know right? I've seen two people recently in the forum refer to "we're headed for civil war", as though they are fine with killing liberals out of right-wing-fueled controversy rage.
But man, breaking bottles on people and punching them during protests! That's GOT TO STOP!

So keen on legal justice...and then applaud Trump's pardoning of a criminal before he served time. Madness.
 
Ouch, such an absolute? That's worse IMO.
I simply left the door open for the potential of living in an authoritarian, oppressive regime, where you did not have constitutional rights.
I would be OK with violently protesting against that, up to and including civil war. But if you'd be a pacifist under those circumstances, OK, I stand corrected.

Oh...I am far from a pacifist. I fully support bringing the full weight of LE and our justice system on those who engage in mob violence...including busting THEIR heads if they don't comply with the law. I don't support civil war, either.

But hey...you are free to side with the law-breakers if you want to.

Trump condemned "all sides" for violence.
You condemned "both sides" for violence.
You both left out all the other really bad stuff mentioned about the KKK/Nazis's that so many Republican leaders, and obviously independent and Democrat leaders, and average people, have saw fit to call out as deplorable, anti-American values, etc. Trump DID later go back and name a bunch of names, then he backed off again and defended his all-sides claim in pure Trumpian fashion.

There is no need to single out one side or the other when condemning both sides. The implication is that both sides are unacceptable. What you are arguing for is that contrived narrative the Mainstream Media, their talking potato heads, the NeverTrumpers...and of course the useful idiots...have been spouting. It's all nonsense.


"The Left" didn't ignore it, still a strawman.

By singling out and condemning one side and either not mentioning or, as you do, supporting the other side, the mob violence of Antifa is being characterized as good guys. That...they are not.
 
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