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9% of Americans = Nazis???

Just on face value itself, the topic doesn't really make sense.. 9%.. really?

If 9% of Americans were Nazis, wouldn't that be like 2.8 or 2.9 million people?

More like around 29.7 million

EDIT: Just for a bit of reference, Black people make up only 17% of the population. While I have met plenty of racist people I don't believe I have ever met a Nazi.
 
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Thats the hidden narrative trying to be pushed. They want everyone to believe there is this huge amount of closet nazis that form a sub-culture within the usa. Be afraid, very afraid so they can justify the actions of groups like antifa. They are needed to stamp out this hidden cancer within our society. Antifa is to be viewed like chemotherapy

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But Antifa vs the Neo-Nazis is just like what happened with the red & brown shirts all those years ago in Germany.

Do no of them actually see that distinction?
 
More like around 29.7 million

EDIT: Just for a bit of reference, Black people make up only 17% of the population. While I have met plenty of racist people I don't believe I have ever met a Nazi.

I only knew one Nazi, and he now he works for one of the biggest Jewish run companies in America.

I guess that high school thing was a phase, jackboots & all.
 
I find it perfectly acceptable for people to have such views.

I do not believe in "thought" policing.

I also find it unacceptable for them to act violently on behalf of such views, or try to compel me to accede to such views/beliefs. :shrug:

1. Acting violently and expecting you to accede to their views is the whole point of their beliefs.

2. I also believe that they have a right to hold those beliefs but, they don't have a right to not having them challenged or met with equal force whichever way they choose to bring about their fascist revolution.
 
Exactly.

Food for thought.

I have never had a person from the Nazi party in this country try to force their views or opinions on me like the left does. I have never had to fight the Nazi party in this country to keep my rights and freedom the way I have to fight the left on a regular basis. The left and the right are more like the Nazis from WW2 than the current Nazi party here today in this country. Both parties are always trying to push their opinions and beliefs on me and everyone else.

Which is it?

'I have never had a person from the Nazi party in this country try to force their views or opinions on me...'

'...Both parties are always trying to push their opinions and beliefs on me and everyone else.'
 
Which is it?

'I have never had a person from the Nazi party in this country try to force their views or opinions on me...'

'...Both parties are always trying to push their opinions and beliefs on me and everyone else.'


I believe he meant the Left and Right as both parties.
 
Which is it?

'I have never had a person from the Nazi party in this country try to force their views or opinions on me...'

'...Both parties are always trying to push their opinions and beliefs on me and everyone else.'

The Nazi party in this country has never tried to restrict my rights or freedom.

The left has constantly tried to restrict my rights and freedom.
 
9% of Americans say it's perfectly acceptable to hold such views.

Your subject line and your articles say two different things with you seemingly believing a false equivalence.

Believing that something is "acceptable" is not the same as BEING something.

Let me take an extreme example of this...

Being a pedophile, as horrible and atrocious as it is, should be acceptable. I find it utterly despicable, but in a free society that does not criminalize thought, the simple notion of being sexual attracted to minors should be acceptable. ENGAGING in pedophilia, however, would be unacceptable.

The fact that I think being one is "acceptable" doesn't mean I am on, doesn't mean I "support" it, doesn't mean I "approve" of it; it simply means that I don't believe it should not be "tolerated" within a society (and make no mistakes, if a society is allowing something to legally occur, it is "tolerating" it to some extent).

Holding white supremacists or Neo-Nazi's views IS acceptable, and should always remain acceptable, if we are a society that believes in the ideas of free speech, in freedom of political thought, in freedom of expression, in freedom of thought, and in the belief that one is only guilty under the law after they are proven to be guilty. To suggest such a thing does not mean the individual agrees with or likes such views, let alone IS a Nazi or White Supremacist.

The reality of polls like this an ambiguous nature of questions is the fact that it leaves it up to the responder to interpret what something like this means by "acceptable". Talking morally, ethically, legally, societally, etc? This is naturally going to give variations in how people respond, and explains why a larger % of people would likely answer "yes" than there actually are white supremacists/Nazis in this country.
 
5% Yes-Somewhat

I would have said "Yes-Somewhat". On a personal moral level I find it abhorrent and unacceptable, but on a societal moral level I would still find it abhorrent but acceptable, since as horrendous as such views may be, the value of a truly free society of greater importance than making such things "unacceptable" at such a level.
 
Maybe I didn't cut and paste enough. Those are the numbers of people who approve of the neo-Nazis having those views.

That's not what the question you copy and pasted asked .It seems that's the number of people who view it as acceptable that the neo-nazi's have those views.

Approving of those views and finding it acceptable that they have that view is two different things.

If I have a 20 year old daughter, I may not approve of who she's dating...but I may find the idea that she may date that person as "acceptable" based on the notion that she's an adult and she gets to choose who she dates regardless of my views about him.

Me believing it's acceptable for her to choose her date is not the same as me approving of who she chooses.
 
I'd bet that percentage is 5x that on this Forum.

Very likely.

Individuals on a political message board are likely to be far more tied to a political ideological view point, have a deeper understanding or connection to things like the Constitution and foundational philosophies of the United States and the American Ethos, and are able to give the question a more in depth thought than the typical average American citizen who is asked this question randomly in a string of questions in a poll.
 
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Bob

The question asked in the poll:

3% Yes-Strongly
5% Yes-Somewhat



Along with a 3.5% margin of error


So the poll is pretty much useless? There is always going to be the fringe lunatics from
both sides of the political spectrum. But the media and other's want to smear every Trump
voter or supporter with racists label or any other label. If you voted for Trump you have to
be XXXXX. It's not working!

In the past the media was able to set agenda and the republicans
tried their best to meet that agenda. Remember when John McCain was the Maverick in the 2008
presidential primary. The media loved him because he would go against republicans. The maverick
did this or that. The media gushed over him. Well until the general election against Obama then they
squished him like a bug. They don't set the agenda any more Trump has then on their heels. A new
world for our fake news friends.
 
Very likely.

Individuals on a political message board are likely to be far more tied to a political ideological view point, have a deeper understanding or connection to things like the Constitution and foundational philosophies of the United States and the American Ethos, and are able to give the question a more in depth thought than the typical average American citizen who is asked this question randomly in a string of questions in a poll.

:lamo Yea Right ... that's so Obvious, please tell me more.
 
Am I wrong, or does that question not make sense? Which way "strongly" do they feel?

You are not wrong. If that's the actual poll question, it is purely nonsensical. I don't doubt that it is the actual question.
 
:lamo Yea Right ... that's so Obvious, please tell me more.

It is rather obvious. It'd be like asking the "Can it be good to eat food high in fats"...you're likely to get a different response from your average person on the street answering that question in the midst of 50 food and health related questions than you would be posing the question to a bunch of dieticians isolated from all the rest and with a forum to actually discuss it rather than give a prestocked answer. Most people are probably going to respond "No" in terms of can it be good to eat food high in fats...where as the second grouping is likely going with a Sometimes, yes type of answer or even a simple "yes", with the caveat that it depends on the type of fats the food is high in.

A one off question on a political message board is going to have people considering the implications of said question as it relates to the ideas behind free speech, association, and thought within a free society in far greater numbers than a random phone or street poll of potentially political ambivalent individuals answering the question in the midst of a few dozen other political questions in semi-rapid fire succession. Due to that, you're likely going to find a greater number of people willing to answer in some spectrum of "yes" than in that general population.
 
It is rather obvious. It'd be like asking the "Can it be good to eat food high in fats"...you're likely to get a different response from your average person on the street answering that question in the midst of 50 food and health related questions than you would be posing the question to a bunch of dieticians isolated from all the rest and with a forum to actually discuss it rather than give a prestocked answer. Most people are probably going to respond "No" in terms of can it be good to eat food high in fats...where as the second grouping is likely going with a Sometimes, yes type of answer or even a simple "yes", with the caveat that it depends on the type of fats the food is high in.

A one off question on a political message board is going to have people considering the implications of said question as it relates to the ideas behind free speech, association, and thought within a free society in far greater numbers than a random phone or street poll of potentially political ambivalent individuals answering the question in the midst of a few dozen other political questions in semi-rapid fire succession. Due to that, you're likely going to find a greater number of people willing to answer in some spectrum of "yes" than in that general population.

The vast majority of opinions on Message Boards will never change ... it is what it is.

It's a place to make statements, not educate.
 
So 91% of Americans think we should have a such thing as thoughtcrime?

No. No more than 9% are Nazi's.

The most likely answer is that those who answered "no" on this were not thinking from a legal stand point, or taking into account that the only way to truly make something unacceptable (ie not tolerated) in a society is to make it illegal, but speaking more from a personal moral stand point.

It's similar to what I'm talking about with regards to Cigar; the way these questions are asked and the kind of people being asked, there's not likely a lot of existential thought being given as to the nature of the response for many people, but rather a gut reaction to the particular question and then moving onto the next in a long set of questions.
 
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