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Factually correct but still deliberately misleading those who might know history.

Conaeolos said:
I had concerns of that in the past but honestly is he's really that less articulate than W or Nixon?
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Yes, he is far more inarticulate than W or Nixon. Despite his moral failings, at least Nixon was competent. Furthermore, Trump is the best thing ever to happen to W's legacy. He makes Bush look great in comparison.
 
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Fruityfact said:
No one is policing your language buddy, quit being a snowflake.
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I am policing my language to not perpetrate misunderstanding. It had nothing to do with anyone else policing my language other than people should be able to distingish that on their own.

Standing up for rights/ denouncing the platform. Trump created a false equivalency between NAZIs and BLM/ANTIFA. He did not denounce white supremacy "in the strongest terms possible".
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well IMHO they are worse, but yes he has multiple times…and why should he have to denounce them, it’s obvious he has nothing in common. What would you have had him say? Virtue signal about hating a known bunch of delinquents?

He the one with the jewish grandchildren. I am pretty confident he’d deal with neo-nazi pretty unequivocally if they posed any type of imminent danger.

Why do white supremacist cheer/laud him. Why did they vote for him?
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The wall. They see that as helping their agenda, but demographics is not even why trump is for the wall.
 
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Conaeolos said:
You think everyone in the alt-right identifies as neo-nazis?
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No. I never said that. I was talking about the people who call themselves neo-nazis. I have no idea why you'd think I meant all supporters of George W Bush, Mitt Romney, or McCain. I was pointing out that the people who marched in Charlottesville literally self-apply the label "Nazi," so it makes no sense to say that Trump needed time to verify that they should, in fact, be called Nazis before calling them Nazis--and therefore your view that it's "obvious" that he was waiting to gather all the facts is downright silly.

I'm afraid I don't know how to be more clear than that.
 
Fruityfact said:
Lie. You contradict this in your own post. You love trump...


He stood up for NAZI's. I don't know if you're implicating yourself in that group...



Call them NAZI's cause they're ****ing NAZI's. You're basically saying NAZI's aren't dangerous, but the people protesting them are. You've got to be kidding me...
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Dear Caneollos,

You mentioned that if one was to listen to Black lives matter or Antifa one could see their authoritarian tone among other things. I would appreciate it if you could direct me to specific instances of this so I could read it for myself. A link or a web site would be helpful.
Thank you,
Rich123
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
Yes, he is far more inarticulate than W or Nixon. Despite his moral failings, at least Nixon was competent. Furthermore, Trump is the best thing ever to happen to W's legacy. He makes Bush look great in comparison.
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I tend to agree that the Bar has been set so very low. My hope is with Bannon gone and only two more to go this president can start to being presidential. For instance: Don't like what he is forced to do in Afghanistan, but he really has two choices, escalate or get out. Bannon and company wont be happy with this decision. I'm not happy with it, but he's got only two choices. If we pull out Afghanistan becomes another safe haven for terrorist.
 
Rich123 said:
You mentioned that if one was to listen to Black lives matter or Antifa one could see their authoritarian tone among other things. I would appreciate it if you could direct me to specific instances of this so I could read it for myself. A link or a web site would be helpful.
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Due to the decentralized nature of these movements and you being some form of a supporter, you would probably be more able to distinguish the fringe from the mainstream where as I could easily mistake a fringe statement for that of a mainstream one. I would be happy to underline and expand on this point I made with any mainstream website or statement you could link. I am confident based on my learning of “authoritarian tactics” irregardless of the specifics.
 
Rich123 said:
I will have to say that the videos of the Charlottesville tragedy that I saw did reveal people on both sides behaving aggressively towards one another. It would have been fair for the president to mention this in my opinion if from the very start he explained that the KKK, White Nationalist, and Nazis stand for hatred of minorities, lynching and mass murder as in the Nazi death camps. Given this backdrop faulting both sides would be fair. He could have further said from his bully pulpit that America servicemen and women fought in many foreign lands to oppose that type of evil. The memory of those who suffered and fell during that world wide conflict should be honored by all real Americans. That the stated goals that these hate groups seem to offer is a dishonor to the memory of those who fought that very evil. So while both sides did behave aggressively to be fair, Americans should not accept or affiliate with people who promote those ideas. We say this while giving these very groups the right to have such non American ideas and to speak them by virtue of the "First Amendment of the Constitution of the United States of America".

But to my knowledge the president only condemned the haters long after the controversy began about his initial comments. As a matter of fact he initially doubled down on his first comments. To paint the reaction to his initial comments as left wing hysteria is a false assertion. Life long conservative commentators are saying the same thing. He knew and intended exactly what he said because he didn't want to alienate his base. He only changed his tone a bit because the heat was too high. So he spoke his real views to begin with. I have to take him at his word. He can't blame "Locker room banter" this time.
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The base are the majority people who voted for him. Less than 10% of the country identify themselves as some form of white supremacists. No candidate can win or have a "base" of less than 10%. The left falsely implies that this small "base" of people are who elected Trump. These people are not the base. The base are the majority and cannot be a group of people of less than 10%. The "base" is the other 90% of who voted for him and they are not white supremacists.
 
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