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Phony Liberals Want to Lower Wages for Massive Population Boom

truthatallcost

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The phony liberals at the San Francisco Chronicle's editorial board, put out an article advocating for the development of 2.5 million new homes, despite the fact that most native Californians are tired of the endless population boom here. They want to drive down wages that labor unions have fought for, in order to build these new homes as cheaply as possible, probably through the employment of illegal labor.

Get rid of counterproductive provisions that drive up costs of new housing, such as union-pushed “prevailing wage” requirements. The housing shortage needs to be treated as a crisis that demands political courage.

Editorial: California must summon will to meet housing crisis - San Francisco Chronicle
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The state of California already mandates that workers employed on public works must be paid a fair wage, called the prevailing wage.

All workers employed on public works projects must be paid the prevailing wage determined by the Director of the Department of Industrial Relations, according to the type of work and location of the project. The prevailing wage rates are usually based on rates specified in collective bargaining agreements.
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Bay Area liberals are the biggest hypocrites I've ever encountered. New development erodes irreplaceable farm land, increases pollution, and now it might drive down wages for construction workers, if the big money liberal elitists get their way.
 
I bet if they pushed for a higher prevailing wage you would condemn the union as greedy Liberals.
 
Carjosse said:
I bet if they pushed for a higher prevailing wage you would condemn the union as greedy Liberals.
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I've been a union member before, so was my dad. I don't support establishment GOP/DNC attempts at lowering the quality of life of Americans for a quick buck.
 
truthatallcost said:
The phony liberals at the San Francisco Chronicle's editorial board, put out an article advocating for the development of 2.5 million new homes, despite the fact that most native Californians are tired of the endless population boom here. They want to drive down wages that labor unions have fought for, in order to build these new homes as cheaply as possible, probably through the employment of illegal labor.



The state of California already mandates that workers employed on public works must be paid a fair wage, called the prevailing wage.



Bay Area liberals are the biggest hypocrites I've ever encountered. New development erodes irreplaceable farm land, increases pollution, and now it might drive down wages for construction workers, if the big money liberal elitists get their way.
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When the private sector builds houses they almost never use prevailing wage unless it's funded by state or union money. The purpose of prevailing wage is to pay union scale to non union workers. Home building is mostly non union because it is mostly low skill. You might see a union plumber or electrician on a non union job, but that is about it. (Except for site prep and undergrounds).

The real reason for California's housing shortage is there are large tracts of land that is are not being released for homes. It's prevented mostly by the "no growth" forces in state government. Nothing will get built in the Bay Area due to climate politics. You can take that to the bank.

Sooo...The real reason for the struggling High Speed Rail is to ferry cheap labor from Central Valley towns where they can afford to live and stick the taxpayers with an eternal union pork project just to shuttle cheap labor to and fro.
 
We see that again in how the state tried to ignore it's own environmental law in the HSR project. The courts said no...add $15 Billion to the price tag.

The burdens the state puts on others it tries to avoid itself, which is a very good clue that they have screwed up the burdens, and that they have a morality problem to boot.
 
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Hawkeye10 said:
We see that again in how the state tried to ignore it's own environmental law in the HSR project. The courts said no...add $15 Billion to the price tag.

The burdens the state puts on others it tries to avoid itself, which is a very good clue that they have screwed up the burdens, and that they have a morality problem to boot.
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HSR was always a scam. Still a scam. Problem is going to be how to get water to all the people in the Central Valley and elsewhere if they don't build the infrastructure to move it in the quantity needed.
 
PirateMk1 said:
HSR was always a scam. Still a scam. Problem is going to be how to get water to all the people in the Central Valley and elsewhere if they don't build the infrastructure to move it in the quantity needed.
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It was always clear to me that the scam was to start it and get enough of it built that by the time the actual cost to build was known the Feds would come in and finish it and also pay to run it. The financial projections were pure fantasy. That said the cost to build anything now is way too high for a lot of reasons, with environmental law being the biggest..the cost to comply, the cost of dealing with all of the NIMBY's and assorted haters who use the courts to try to keep the project from happening. Until we can fix government we are dead meat. But almost no one has any interest in fixing government, so really we are pretty well ****ed.
 
Carjosse said:
I bet if they pushed for a higher prevailing wage you would condemn the union as greedy Liberals.
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If the wage they were pushing for was vastly overblown yes, then we would have the right to call them that.

Or just greedy in general.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
We see that again in how the state tried to ignore it's own environmental law in the HSR project. The courts said no...add $15 Billion to the price tag.

The burdens the state puts on others it tries to avoid itself, which is a very good clue that they have screwed up the burdens, and that they have a morality problem to boot.
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Haven't they been using bogus, and incredibly twisted applications of EPA regulations to attack farmer as well, in the last few years? I can remember them using some sort of ground water act, to stick a massive fine onto the head of any person who decides to irrigate their own land. No matter the reason for what they were irrigating it for, the local office would foot them a massive bill under some stupid EPA code, and many still have the claims tied up in court since 2014 or earlier.

If I can find a link, I'll cite it later- But so far I cannot remember were I ran across one of those stories.

Is anything like that still going down?
 
PirateMk1 said:
HSR was always a scam. Still a scam. Problem is going to be how to get water to all the people in the Central Valley and elsewhere if they don't build the infrastructure to move it in the quantity needed.
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Thus they want to build the "Delta Drains" to send more water to L.A. That probably will not happen, and I doubt HSR will go on either. The state cannot afford either. The only reason they are being built was to full fill a promise to the unions that if they stood down and let China build the bay bridge with mostly Chinese labor and materials, they would be granted two "retirement projects" - HSR, and the Delta Tunnels.

The state motto should be changed from "EUREKA" to "BOHICA"
 
truthatallcost said:
The phony liberals at the San Francisco Chronicle's editorial board, put out an article advocating for the development of 2.5 million new homes, despite the fact that most native Californians are tired of the endless population boom here. They want to drive down wages that labor unions have fought for, in order to build these new homes as cheaply as possible, probably through the employment of illegal labor.

The state of California already mandates that workers employed on public works must be paid a fair wage, called the prevailing wage.

Bay Area liberals are the biggest hypocrites I've ever encountered. New development erodes irreplaceable farm land, increases pollution, and now it might drive down wages for construction workers, if the big money liberal elitists get their way.
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How would you solve the affordable home shortage?
 
chuckiechan said:
Get rid of democrats. In the interest of saving the world one shack at a time, people are paying $1500 a month for a closet in San Francisco.
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That speaks to the shortage as well as the cost of real estate today. How do you suppose Republicans could solve that problem?
 
MaggieD said:
How would you solve the affordable home shortage?
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What chuckie said has some truth to it. Democrats have flooded California with minorities because increases in population allow them to add congressional districts, which will then be monopolized by Democrat congressman.

California currently has 53 members of congress, or roughly 1/8 of the total number of congressmen & women, for the entire country.
 
MaggieD said:
That speaks to the shortage as well as the cost of real estate today. How do you suppose Republicans could solve that problem?
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By loosening up building restrictions. There are lots of tracts of land in the bay area that can be open for home building. San Francisco & the peninsula is pretty well built out, but everywhere across the bridges is hundreds of thousands of acres of buildable land. There is "north bay", and the foothills east of Hwy 680 through Walnut Creek, Pleasanton, etc.

They do let some subdivisions build, but not nearly enough. That is the problem.

Check it out on Google Earth.
 
truthatallcost said:
The phony liberals at the San Francisco Chronicle's editorial board, put out an article advocating for the development of 2.5 million new homes, despite the fact that most native Californians are tired of the endless population boom here. They want to drive down wages that labor unions have fought for, in order to build these new homes as cheaply as possible, probably through the employment of illegal labor.



The state of California already mandates that workers employed on public works must be paid a fair wage, called the prevailing wage.



Bay Area liberals are the biggest hypocrites I've ever encountered. New development erodes irreplaceable farm land, increases pollution, and now it might drive down wages for construction workers, if the big money liberal elitists get their way.
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“The phony liberals at the San Francisco Chronicle's editorial board, put out an article advocating for the development of 2.5 million new homes, despite the fact that most native Californians are tired of the endless population boom here.”

You must be speaking off the top of your head without researching what you falsely call fact. The population of California, as of 2015, is lower than in 2000. Your premise is thereby refuted.

“They want to drive down wages that labor unions have fought for, in order to build these new homes as cheaply as possible, probably through the employment of illegal labor.

This statement is not representative of what you imply. That being of the Chronicle or “liberals”. It was among ideas that the California Assembly is being asked to address. Dare I say, put forth by “conservatives”.

“Bay Area liberals are the biggest hypocrites I've ever encountered. New development erodes irreplaceable farm land, increases pollution, and now it might drive down wages for construction workers, if the big money liberal elitists get their way.”

Yes, new development does erode farm land and increase pollution. It happens whether under liberal or conservative government. Those are facts. That it might drive down construction wages is without merit. You give no reasoning for your conjecture.

I look forward to your reply.
 
chuckiechan said:
Get rid of democrats. In the interest of saving the world one shack at a time, people are paying $1500 a month for a closet in San Francisco.
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Same price for a not-so-good area in Brooklyn
 
holbritter said:
Tiny houses!
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I've sure thought of those for the homeless. Always pictured something like a campground with shared plumbing. Many of the homeless are tortured souls who need a safe place to rest...

Your solution for regular Californians is a good one, too. I'm sure zoning is a problem because I've seen are placed on relatives' lots. Or ones they own. I'm sure even the land is expensive. A tiny house mobile home park. Why the heck not? Great idea!
 
Carjosse said:
I bet if they pushed for a higher prevailing wage you would condemn the union as greedy Liberals.
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Unions shouldn't exist anymore, and nothing that they "push" for changes that.

truthatallcost said:
I've been a union member before, so was my dad. I don't support establishment GOP/DNC attempts at lowering the quality of life of Americans for a quick buck.
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Your family history of unionism doesn't justify unionism either, and the idea to abolish unions entirely isn't about any "quick buck," it would just be about not tolerating cartels.
 
truthatallcost said:
The phony liberals at the San Francisco Chronicle's editorial board, put out an article advocating for the development of 2.5 million new homes, despite the fact that most native Californians are tired of the endless population boom here. They want to drive down wages that labor unions have fought for, in order to build these new homes as cheaply as possible, probably through the employment of illegal labor.



The state of California already mandates that workers employed on public works must be paid a fair wage, called the prevailing wage.



Bay Area liberals are the biggest hypocrites I've ever encountered. New development erodes irreplaceable farm land, increases pollution, and now it might drive down wages for construction workers, if the big money liberal elitists get their way.
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What makes them "fake" liberals? They seem like the real deal to me.
 
MaggieD said:
I've sure thought of those for the homeless. Always pictured something like a campground with shared plumbing. Many of the homeless are tortured souls who need a safe place to rest...

Your solution for regular Californians is a good one, too. I'm sure zoning is a problem because I've seen are placed on relatives' lots. Or ones they own. I'm sure even the land is expensive. A tiny house mobile home park. Why the heck not? Great idea!
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Back when I was an optimist, I was involved in an idea with a California committee using "storage unit" technology to provide for the homeless. Basically, a 8X12's back to back each with a 4' door, and a window in the 4' panel next to it, with a shared plumbing run along where they butt up back to back. It got some play, but the idea died before it made it out of committee, basically because it was too spartan.

So they are still living under bridges or along the river. It's f'ing amazing how many homeless people are wandering around, half of them bat **** crazy.
 
chuckiechan said:
Back when I was an optimist, I was involved in an idea with a California committee using "storage unit" technology to provide for the homeless. Basically, a 8X12's back to back each with a 4' door, and a window in the 4' panel next to it, with a shared plumbing run along where they butt up back to back. It got some play, but the idea died before it made it out of committee, basically because it was too spartan.

So they are still living under bridges or along the river. It's f'ing amazing how many homeless people are wandering around, half of them bat **** crazy.
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Yeah, sure, that was more spartan than under a bridge.

Good for you, my friend. At least you recognized a problem and championed a possible solution.
 
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