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Any Antifa members here?

MaggieD said:
Then how about posting your description...? Smarty Pants.
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I would call it an extremely loosely defined, massive group of people whose sole commonality is the opposition to the spread of fascism in America. Do a lot of individuals try to impose their agendas and violent tendencies onto the movement? Absolutely, but the only common thread among all of them is the opposition to fascism. Picking out some of the bad actors and pretending they represent the entire group is disingenuous. Nazis wanting an ethno-state is a core, unifying ideology they all share and is baked into the cake.

Harshaw said:
You didn't actually answer her question. Do you, personally, condone their methods of violence, suppression of speech, and property damage?
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I don't think you can answer that black and white, it's rather a large palette of gray. Threatening genocide against your fellow countrymen can be seen by many as an act of violence and some people may react. If someone threatens the lives of me and my family, I might react to them violently.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
I don't think you can answer that black and white, it's rather a large palette of gray. Threatening genocide against your fellow countrymen is an act of violence and some people may react. If someone in my life threatens the lives of me and my family, I might react to them violently.
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I think you very much can answer in general. I think you're simply choosing to avoid the question, which leads me to think you do condone the violence, speech suppression, and property damage.

You've had plenty of unambiguous chances to say that's not so, and declined them all. You've even got another one, right now.
 
MaggieD said:
Do you sympathize with their methods? Suppression of free speech? Violence? Most everyone opposes fascism.
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Josie said:
And apparently it's lost on them that suppression of free speech and violence are both very Fascist-y.
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Fascism would pertain to the government, not the reactions of individuals against threats.

Harshaw said:
I think you very much can answer in general. I think you're simply choosing to avoid the question, which leads me to think you do condone the violence, speech suppression, and property damage.

You've had plenty of unambiguous chances to say that's not so, and declined them all. You've even got another one, right now.
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No, you can't, as nothing in life is black and white and our justice system is based around mitigating circumstances and a read of the entire situation and context. Killing someone is not murder in every circumstance, there is a rainbow of different grades and classes.

Sure, the government should protect all people equally, but we as individuals may resort to violence if we're threatened with violence.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
Fascism would pertain to the government, not the reactions of individuals against threats.
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Oh, so the opposing group aren't Nazis, then?
 
RabidAlpaca said:
No, you can't, as nothing in life is black and white and our justice system is based around mitigating circumstances and a read of the entire situation and context. Killing someone is not murder in every circumstance, there is a rainbow of different grades and classes.

Sure, the government should protect all people equally, but we as individuals may resort to violence if we're threatened with violence.
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Nonsense. You can answer in the abstract. You're just avoiding answering. It's pretty clear that you do condone their methods.
 
Josie said:
Oh, so the opposing group aren't Nazis, then?
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They could Nazis, but as he says Fascism only pertains to the government, they can't be fascists. According to him.
 
Harshaw said:
They could Nazis, but as he says Fascism only pertains to the government, they can't be fascists. According to him.
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Yeah, I should've said Fascists instead of Nazis.

Interesting thought process he has. So the anti-fa are protesting against people who aren't even and cannot be "fa".
 
Josie said:
And apparently it's lost on them that suppression of free speech and violence are both very Fascist-y.
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Cute. Don't teach that crap. Please?
 
Slingshot Bob said:
Fair enough, I don't cotton to fascism, but I also find it UnAmerican to believe even abhorrent free speech, justifies using violence to shut it down.
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Just curious, this has nothing to do with the topic. Is there anything people could say that would make you want to shut them up, violently if necessary?
 
MaggieD said:
Do you sympathize with their methods? Suppression of free speech? Violence? Most everyone opposes fascism.
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See, not that I agree with Antifa, but only the government can suppress free speech. If some knotheads are marching and chanting fascist bullcrap and I get in their faces and tell them they're a bunch of buttholes who need to sit down and shut up, I'm not suppressing their free speech, I'm exercising mine.
The right to free speech just means the government can't censor you.
 
Grand Mal said:
See, not that I agree with Antifa, but only the government can suppress free speech. If some knotheads are marching and chanting fascist bullcrap and I get in their faces and tell them they're a bunch of buttholes who need to sit down and shut up, I'm not suppressing their free speech, I'm exercising mine.
The right to free speech just means the government can't censor you.
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I agree with you. But one of their goals is to do everything possible to suppress free speech. That's what they did at that what's its name college. Burned the house down, figuratively.
 
Hari Seldon said:
Poor article. First Amendment rights relate to GOVERNMENT intervention of free speech.
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I understand that. But Antifa has demonstrated that they will do whatever is necessary to suppress those voices they don't approve of, up to and including intimidation and vandalism. See college campuses.
 
Hari Seldon said:
Poor article. First Amendment rights relate to GOVERNMENT intervention of free speech.
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Third response telling me what I already know. However, it is Antifa's goal to disrupt the voices they disagree with. Drown them out. Burn down buildings and otherwise destroy property to control and prohibit their presence. Thinking of college campuses.
 
MaggieD said:
Third response telling me what I already know. However, it is Antifa's goal to disrupt the voices they disagree with. Drown them out. Burn down buildings and otherwise destroy property to control and prohibit their presence. Thinking of college campuses.
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Its a good thing the KKK never burned down any buildings, (church's) or prohibited AMERICANS from exercising their rights.
 
Hari Seldon said:
Its a good thing the KKK never burned down any buildings, (church's) or prohibited AMERICANS from exercising their rights.
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And that would be a great and sarcastic post if this thread were about the KKK.
 
MaggieD said:
Third response telling me what I already know. However, it is Antifa's goal to disrupt the voices they disagree with. Drown them out. Burn down buildings and otherwise destroy property to control and prohibit their presence. Thinking of college campuses.
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They want to cause a penalty on those who voice ideas they dont like which are so heavy that people will shut up. They are not even trying to win on merit, they are trying to win through the practice of abuse.

They must be taught "no".
 
Slingshot Bob said:
Just curious, how about sympathizers?
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I've always been anti-fascist since my Rock Against Racism days in the late 70s.

The more I hear about Antifa the more I feel I might find out how to join.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
They want to cause a penalty on those who voice ideas they dont like which are so heavy that people will shut up. They are not even trying to win on merit, they are trying to win through the practice of abuse.

They must be taught "no".
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Words most often said by people that not only want the right to say what they like but, the right not to be challenged on what they say, symptomatic of much of the modern right wing.
 
William Rea said:
Words most often said by people that not only want the right to say what they like but, the right not to be challenged on what they say, symptomatic of much of the modern right wing.
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Argued with and hurt for the crime of speaking are two very different and in fact opposite things.
 
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William Rea said:
I've always been anti-fascist since my Rock Against Racism days in the late 70s.

The more I hear about Antifa the more I feel I might find out how to join.
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Well, if you think hateful (yet free speech) justifies the use of violence, it might be your thing! Get your black clothes and face mask and improvised weapons in order!thMYVWHXFM.jpg
 
Slingshot Bob said:
Well, if you think hateful (yet free speech) justifies the use of violence, it might be your thing! Get your black clothes and face mask and improvised weapons in order!View attachment 67221565
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If saying the wrong thing is reason to employ violence now, as it seems to be, does that mean that I once again can slug my woman when she gets mouthy?

If not why not?

This is for anybody.
 
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