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Any Antifa members here?

Well I would consider myself an anti-fascist, just as my father before me, and his father and much of my extended family for generations. Simply being a red blooded American with a respect for our rights and principles should make you sympathetic to anti-fascists and antagonistic towards fascists.
 
Slingshot Bob said:
Just curious, how about sympathizers?
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Here's something about them from the Daily Mail...

The rise of the 'antifa': Combative leftists and self-described anarchists who are ready and willing to use violence as a reaction against neo-Nazis and the alt-right
Antifa, short for anti-fascist or Anti Fascist Action, has been around since 1920s
But as the alt-right flourishes under Donald Trump, antifa has rapidly been growing in popularity in opposition
The result is clashes on America's streets, the likes of which have not been seen since the civil rights marches of the 1960s
Antifa have been at high profile protests across the US including UC Berkeley, Portland, and most recently at the deadly Charlottesville rally
Some see antifa as Nazi-fighting heroes, others as violent hooligans
They admit they are anarchists, who focus on direct action against the alt-right
They've been criticized for use of violence and forcing venues to cancel right-wing speakers - denying First Amendment rights


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4797002/The-rise-antifa.html#ixzz4q9AVazYi
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RabidAlpaca said:
Well I would consider myself an anti-fascist, just as my father before me, and his father and much of my extended family for generations. Simply being a red blooded American with a respect for our rights and principles should make you sympathetic to anti-fascists and antagonistic towards fascists.
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Fair enough, I don't cotton to fascism, but I also find it UnAmerican to believe even abhorrent free speech, justifies using violence to shut it down.
 
Slingshot Bob said:
Fair enough, I don't cotton to fascism, but I also find it UnAmerican to believe even abhorrent free speech, justifies using violence to shut it down.
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When you advocate for the genocide of your fellow countrymen, you lose your right to tolerance. I have no sympathy for nazis.

MaggieD said:
Here's something about them from the Daily Mail...
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Yeah, that's a super unbiased source for such a description. It's a bit like posting a description of the Catholic church by Richard Dawkins.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
When you advocate for the genocide of your fellow countrymen, you lose your right to tolerance. I have no sympathy for nazis.



Yeah, that's a super unbiased source for such a description. It's a bit like posting a description of the Catholic church by Richard Dawkins.
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Agreed, as soon as they attempted it, then use violence.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
Well I would consider myself an anti-fascist, just as my father before me, and his father and much of my extended family for generations. Simply being a red blooded American with a respect for our rights and principles should make you sympathetic to anti-fascists and antagonistic towards fascists.
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Do you sympathize with their methods? Suppression of free speech? Violence? Most everyone opposes fascism.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
When you advocate for the genocide of your fellow countrymen, you lose your right to tolerance. I have no sympathy for nazis.



Yeah, that's a super unbiased source for such a description. It's a bit like posting a description of the Catholic church by Richard Dawkins.
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Nazis and other socialists I would hope
 
joG said:
I suspect most are anti fascist. Don't you think?
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I think most people are. I don't think Antifa orbits supporters are, but then I don't buy into their marketing.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
When you advocate for the genocide of your fellow countrymen, you lose your right to tolerance. I have no sympathy for nazis.

Yeah, that's a super unbiased source for such a description. It's a bit like posting a description of the Catholic church by Richard Dawkins.
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Then how about posting your description...? Smarty Pants.
 
MaggieD said:
Do you sympathize with their methods? Suppression of free speech? Violence? Most everyone opposes fascism.
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Not everyone fighting fascism supports suppression of free speech or violence, but I would argue that when dealing with the particular case of calls to genocide against their fellow countrymen, they shouldn't expect their fellow citizens they want to murder to respect their rights. Should the government try to protect everyone? Yes. That doesn't mean that individuals won't seek their own retribution over their provocations and threats. Nazis don't want our country to have these protective rights, so they can go ahead and get used to not having them.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
Well I would consider myself an anti-fascist, just as my father before me, and his father and much of my extended family for generations. Simply being a red blooded American with a respect for our rights and principles should make you sympathetic to anti-fascists and antagonistic towards fascists.
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That's a lot like arguing that because you think murder is bad, you should at least be Christian-sympathetic, if not a Christian outright.

Being anti-fascist is NOT the same thing as being in Antifa. There's a lot of collectivist baggage with Antifa, and they have a habbit of doxxing and assaulting people who have nothing to do with Nazis, including almost 200 police officers at the G20 summit this year. While not directly mentioned in the article, Antifa was one of the anarcocommunist groups that participated in the riots.

Whatever you think of Nazis, remember that their far-left counterparts are every bit as real a problem in the modern world.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
Not everyone fighting fascism supports suppression of free speech or violence, but I would argue that when dealing with the particular case of calls to genocide against their fellow countrymen, they shouldn't expect their fellow citizens they want to murder to respect their rights. Should the government try to protect everyone? Yes. That doesn't mean that individuals won't seek their own retribution over their provocations and threats.
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The one and only reason Antifa reacted to their provocation and threats... if that happened... is because they showed up.
 
MaggieD said:
Do you sympathize with their methods? Suppression of free speech? Violence? Most everyone opposes fascism.
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When asked in that way fascists and socialists will usually say they only want the best for their people.
 
Jesse Booth said:
That's a lot like arguing that because you think murder is bad, you should at least be Christian-sympathetic, if not a Christian outright.

Being anti-fascist is NOT the same thing as being in Antifa. There's a lot of collectivist baggage with Antifa, and they have a habbit of doxxing and assaulting people who have nothing to do with Nazis, including almost 200 police officers at the G20 summit this year. While not directly mentioned in the article, Antifa was one of the anarcocommunist groups that participated in the riots.

Whatever you think of Nazis, remember that their far-left counterparts are every bit as real a problem in the modern world.
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Check out this nice girl!antifa-woman.jpg
 
RabidAlpaca said:
Not everyone fighting fascism supports suppression of free speech or violence, but I would argue that when dealing with the particular case of calls to genocide against their fellow countrymen, they shouldn't expect their fellow citizens they want to murder to respect their rights. Should the government try to protect everyone? Yes. That doesn't mean that individuals won't seek their own retribution over their provocations and threats. Nazis don't want our country to have these protective rights, so they can go ahead and get used to not having them.
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You didn't actually answer her question. Do you, personally, condone their methods of violence, suppression of speech, and property damage?
 
Being anti-fascist isn't anything special or uncommon. It's about as common as hating cancer, and about as virtuous.


The thing that distinguishes Antifa as an org is their willingness to engage in severe provocation and actual violence in opposition to what they consider "fascist". Based on available evidence, some of them seem to have a VERY broad definition of "fascism".... as in, anyone much to the right of Godwin and Proudhon.
 
MaggieD said:
Do you sympathize with their methods? Suppression of free speech? Violence? Most everyone opposes fascism.
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And apparently it's lost on them that suppression of free speech and violence are both very Fascist-y.
 
Josie said:
And apparently it's lost on them that suppression of free speech and violence are both very Fascist-y.
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They are literally the tools by which fascism came to power, and maintained it.
 
Goshin said:
Being anti-fascist isn't anything special or uncommon. It's about as common as hating cancer, and about as virtuous.
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Stalin fought the Nazis.
 
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