From being very liberal to being moderately conservative

I was born in 1957. Obviously when I was six I didn't understand politics. I did understand the radio stories about "Negroes" being met with fire-hoses and attack dogs for the sin of going to school. I vaguely understood the aspirational and prostest songs such as "Blowin' in the Wind," "If I Had a Hammer," "We Shall Overcome" and "Where Have All the Flowers Gone." As the sixties went on I was on the side of "peace" in Vietnam and of the Earth Day movement. I supported the Pentagon Papers publication. All of this was between ages six and 14.

This began to change with the Lod Airport massacre in May 1972 in Tel Aviv and the Olympics Massacre that same year. The condemnations of both atrocities by liberal politicians was mixed with "understanding" of Arab anger. I felt at the time that a senseless murder was a senseless murder. Still, one of the last things I did with my father was distribute literature for the McGovern campaign on November 5, 1972, two days before the election.

My father was a staunch liberal. His death on January 5, 1973 really set my mind free politically. I started liking the "cornball" country music he detested. I didn't like to admit to my friends that I rather liked Gordon Sinclair's "The Americans" which was on AM radio, if I recall correctly, in April and May 1973. White I thrilled to Nixon's travails that spring, the following summer and winter and his resignation in August 1974, I supported the Nixon Pardon. And I may add, alone in my high school.

While I voted for Jimmy Carter in 1976, and even going to the Democratic Convention with a press pass, I found his growing affection for left-wing causes painful. I voted for him in 1980, mostly out of fear of the novelty and dramatic change that Reagan threatened. I actually did likewise in 2016, voting for Clinton. But I correctly predicted that deregulation, in particular decontrol of oil and gasoline prices, would lower costs for Americans. As liberals began to champion nonsense causes such as "global warming" and became increasingly aligned with forces that wanted to harm the U.S. I almost completely parted company with what misguided people call "liberalism." Frankly it is control-freak fascism with a politically correct name.

This reads like a "We Didn't Start The Fire" list of Stuff That Happened with a twist ending. What, exactly, about liberalism makes it "fascistic"? And why is global warming a "nonsense cause"?

Kobie said:

This reads like a "We Didn't Start The Fire" list of Stuff That Happened with a twist ending. What, exactly, about liberalism makes it "fascistic"? And why is global warming a "nonsense cause"?

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Liberalism is fascistic since they want to control how we use our cell phones, how we place children in cars, and how we dispose of garbage. Just to name a few.

As for global warming none of the warmistas has named a single city with reliable temperature records and any real warming. Many cities have records going back to the 1850's. You'd think if there was warming they'd show the figures. Instead they give us "world temperatures" based on guesswork or cite to warming in parts of the world with no records and where no one lives. And they want billions for "adjustment money" in the process? Sounds like a shakedown to me.

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I was born in 1957. Obviously when I was six I didn't understand politics. I did understand the radio stories about "Negroes" being met with fire-hoses and attack dogs for the sin of going to school. I vaguely understood the aspirational and prostest songs such as "Blowin' in the Wind," "If I Had a Hammer," "We Shall Overcome" and "Where Have All the Flowers Gone." As the sixties went on I was on the side of "peace" in Vietnam and of the Earth Day movement. I supported the Pentagon Papers publication. All of this was between ages six and 14.

This began to change with the Lod Airport massacre in May 1972 in Tel Aviv and the Olympics Massacre that same year. The condemnations of both atrocities by liberal politicians was mixed with "understanding" of Arab anger. I felt at the time that a senseless murder was a senseless murder. Still, one of the last things I did with my father was distribute literature for the McGovern campaign on November 5, 1972, two days before the election.

My father was a staunch liberal. His death on January 5, 1973 really set my mind free politically. I started liking the "cornball" country music he detested. I didn't like to admit to my friends that I rather liked Gordon Sinclair's "The Americans" which was on AM radio, if I recall correctly, in April and May 1973. White I thrilled to Nixon's travails that spring, the following summer and winter and his resignation in August 1974, I supported the Nixon Pardon. And I may add, alone in my high school.

While I voted for Jimmy Carter in 1976, and even going to the Democratic Convention with a press pass, I found his growing affection for left-wing causes painful. I voted for him in 1980, mostly out of fear of the novelty and dramatic change that Reagan threatened. I actually did likewise in 2016, voting for Clinton. But I correctly predicted that deregulation, in particular decontrol of oil and gasoline prices, would lower costs for Americans. As liberals began to champion nonsense causes such as "global warming" and became increasingly aligned with forces that wanted to harm the U.S. I almost completely parted company with what misguided people call "liberalism." Frankly it is control-freak fascism with a politically correct name.

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In youth our eyes are shaded to see through rose colored glasses, the movement for peace, and transparency in our government has now fallen to a tone of hate. I have found that many liberals are willing to arrest you're social freedoms, just so they can be free to bash, maim all they like. Calling the effects any of the same as reparations, inclusion, and "punching a Nazi "if I am to borrow the term".

But such is the evolution of the political, and social monster that is the US.

History is easily repeating itself, as you can see entire classes of higher learning, are looking to segregate themselves from the reality of the world, and calling it social justice. A phrase I believe was originated with Mao sadly enough.

If you have access to the internet in this era, and you still believe that social justice isn't fascism in a nutshell. Then you obviously haven't been paying attention.

JBG said:

Liberalism is fascistic since they want to control how we use our cell phones, how we place children in cars, and how we dispose of garbage. Just to name a few.

As for global warming none of the warmistas has named a single city with reliable temperature records and any real warming. Many cities have records going back to the 1850's. You'd think if there was warming they'd show the figures. Instead they give us "world temperatures" based on guesswork or cite to warming in parts of the world with no records and where no one lives. And they want billions for "adjustment money" in the process? Sounds like a shakedown to me.

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Or you get companies that use testing measures that will actually raise the temperature of their test, and not even exclude that increase.

JBG said:

I was born in 1957. Obviously when I was six I didn't understand politics. I did understand the radio stories about "Negroes" being met with fire-hoses and attack dogs for the sin of going to school. I vaguely understood the aspirational and prostest songs such as "Blowin' in the Wind," "If I Had a Hammer," "We Shall Overcome" and "Where Have All the Flowers Gone." As the sixties went on I was on the side of "peace" in Vietnam and of the Earth Day movement. I supported the Pentagon Papers publication. All of this was between ages six and 14.

This began to change with the Lod Airport massacre in May 1972 in Tel Aviv and the Olympics Massacre that same year. The condemnations of both atrocities by liberal politicians was mixed with "understanding" of Arab anger. I felt at the time that a senseless murder was a senseless murder. Still, one of the last things I did with my father was distribute literature for the McGovern campaign on November 5, 1972, two days before the election.

My father was a staunch liberal. His death on January 5, 1973 really set my mind free politically. I started liking the "cornball" country music he detested. I didn't like to admit to my friends that I rather liked Gordon Sinclair's "The Americans" which was on AM radio, if I recall correctly, in April and May 1973. White I thrilled to Nixon's travails that spring, the following summer and winter and his resignation in August 1974, I supported the Nixon Pardon. And I may add, alone in my high school.

While I voted for Jimmy Carter in 1976, and even going to the Democratic Convention with a press pass, I found his growing affection for left-wing causes painful. I voted for him in 1980, mostly out of fear of the novelty and dramatic change that Reagan threatened. I actually did likewise in 2016, voting for Clinton. But I correctly predicted that deregulation, in particular decontrol of oil and gasoline prices, would lower costs for Americans. As liberals began to champion nonsense causes such as "global warming" and became increasingly aligned with forces that wanted to harm the U.S. I almost completely parted company with what misguided people call "liberalism." Frankly it is control-freak fascism with a politically correct name.

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Very interesting recollection of the times. I think I might want to add the memory that it was that Harvard liberal Kennedy that did the Bay of Pigs and set us on the way into Vietnam.

JBG said:

Liberalism is fascistic since they want to control how we use our cell phones, how we place children in cars, and how we dispose of garbage. Just to name a few.

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Mussolini didn't do any of that, does that mean he wasn't a Fascist?

Kobie said:

This reads like a "We Didn't Start The Fire" list of Stuff That Happened with a twist ending. What, exactly, about liberalism makes it "fascistic"? And why is global warming a "nonsense cause"?

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It reads like "We didn't start the fire", because it is tje stuff of which the song was made. And the term 'liberal' is a little 'fascistic' in being a contronym of which the contradiction to the original meaning is a main building block of fascism. And global warming? That's taking care of itself as technology improves.

JBG said:

Liberalism is fascistic since they want to control how we use our cell phones, how we place children in cars, and how we dispose of garbage. Just to name a few.

As for global warming none of the warmistas has named a single city with reliable temperature records and any real warming. Many cities have records going back to the 1850's. You'd think if there was warming they'd show the figures. Instead they give us "world temperatures" based on guesswork or cite to warming in parts of the world with no records and where no one lives. And they want billions for "adjustment money" in the process? Sounds like a shakedown to me.

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So it's "fascism" when you can't talk on your cellphone while driving to a tire burning with your kid on your lap? Oookay.

I'm not sure your second paragraph shows much more than a fundamental misunderstanding of science.

joG said:

It reads like "We didn't start the fire", because it is tje stuff of which the song was made. And the term 'liberal' is a little 'fascistic' in being a contronym of which the contradiction to the original meaning is a main building block of fascism. And global warming? That's taking care of itself as technology improves.

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What?

JBG said:

I almost completely parted company with what misguided people call "liberalism." Frankly it is control-freak fascism with a politically correct name.

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Emphasis should be on almost. You think that

liberalism." Frankly it is control-freak fascism with a politically correct name

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, yet you consider yourself very liberal.
It makes no sense.

I think a lot of liberals don't realize that they trample rights in favor of the greater good. The rose colored glasses that say only republicans do that. Which is ironic given their stances on business and gun ownership and so on.


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Some feel that they have left Liberalism. In reality, the Democratic Party left Liberalism in favor of the neoMarxism of the Progressive Movement. Hubert Humphrey was probably the last traditional Liberal and he was shunted aside.

As an example of the change, can you image a Democrat today saying, "Ask not what your country can do for you; ask what you can do for your country"?? Instead, their battle cry is "From each according to his means; to each according to his needs" - another way of offering "free" via "wealth redistribution".

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Emphasis should be on almost. You think that , yet you consider yourself very liberal.
It makes no sense.

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See post below, quoted. For example, I fail to see what transgendered bathrooms has to do with such great liberal causes as the Civil Rights movement and arguably opposing an unjust war. Why do I say "arguably" on that? Since "stopping the war" should have been directed at Hanoi as much as at Johnson and Nixon, detestable as those people were.

But I digress. Current "liberal" causes have almost nothing to do with protecting and advancing the powerless and everything to do with creating jibber-jabber and chaos.

ray188 said:

Some feel that they have left Liberalism. In reality, the Democratic Party left Liberalism in favor of the neoMarxism of the Progressive Movement. Hubert Humphrey was probably the last traditional Liberal and he was shunted aside.

As an example of the change, can you image a Democrat today saying, "Ask not what your country can do for you; ask what you can do for your country"?? Instead, their battle cry is "From each according to his means; to each according to his needs" - another way of offering "free" via "wealth redistribution".

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JBG said:

Liberalism is fascistic since they want to control how we use our cell phones, how we place children in cars, and how we dispose of garbage. Just to name a few.

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So it's those darned liberals who put up stop signs and red lights at intersections too? This is called functional government in a civil society, under the rule of law and order. What you are seeing now is what happens to a country when we don't have it. It's not freedom. It's just dysfunctional chaos and anarchy.

As for global warming none of the warmistas has named a single city with reliable temperature records and any real warming. Many cities have records going back to the 1850's. You'd think if there was warming they'd show the figures. Instead they give us "world temperatures" based on guesswork or cite to warming in parts of the world with no records and where no one lives. And they want billions for "adjustment money" in the process? Sounds like a shakedown to me.

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This is like someone who hasn't seen an atom saying that the atomic theory must be wrong, or one who has never seen a virus saying that the germ theory of disease must be wrong. It's based on ignorance of the science. Sometimes, you just have to trust every single scientific organization on the planet on their field of expertise, including the scientists who work for Exxon.

ray188 said:

Some feel that they have left Liberalism. In reality, the Democratic Party left Liberalism in favor of the neoMarxism of the Progressive Movement. Hubert Humphrey was probably the last traditional Liberal and he was shunted aside.

As an example of the change, can you image a Democrat today saying, "Ask not what your country can do for you; ask what you can do for your country"?? Instead, their battle cry is "From each according to his means; to each according to his needs" - another way of offering "free" via "wealth redistribution".

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That was a JFK quote. Here is another one, and I can hear lots of Democrats saying that today. FYI, JFK fought communism.

"If a free society cannot help the many who are poor, it cannot save the few who are rich."
-John F. Kenedy

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ray188 said:

Some feel that they have left Liberalism. In reality, the Democratic Party left Liberalism in favor of the neoMarxism of the Progressive Movement. Hubert Humphrey was probably the last traditional Liberal and he was shunted aside.

As an example of the change, can you image a Democrat today saying, "Ask not what your country can do for you; ask what you can do for your country"?? Instead, their battle cry is "From each according to his means; to each according to his needs" - another way of offering "free" via "wealth redistribution".

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I totally agree. Reagan (I think) said it best; "I didn't leave the Democratic party, the Democratic Party left me." Now to some extent JFK talked the talk and didn't walk the walk. Those were very conservative times, think Ozzie and Harriet, and no one was likely electable running as a liberal. Even 12 years later George McGovern ran into that problem. Jimmy Carter's solution was simply to lie about his ideology. As Bob Dole called him, a "southern fried George McGovern."

JBG said:

I was born in 1957. Obviously when I was six I didn't understand politics. I did understand the radio stories about "Negroes" being met with fire-hoses and attack dogs for the sin of going to school. I vaguely understood the aspirational and prostest songs such as "Blowin' in the Wind," "If I Had a Hammer," "We Shall Overcome" and "Where Have All the Flowers Gone." As the sixties went on I was on the side of "peace" in Vietnam and of the Earth Day movement. I supported the Pentagon Papers publication. All of this was between ages six and 14.

This began to change with the Lod Airport massacre in May 1972 in Tel Aviv and the Olympics Massacre that same year. The condemnations of both atrocities by liberal politicians was mixed with "understanding" of Arab anger. I felt at the time that a senseless murder was a senseless murder. Still, one of the last things I did with my father was distribute literature for the McGovern campaign on November 5, 1972, two days before the election.

My father was a staunch liberal. His death on January 5, 1973 really set my mind free politically. I started liking the "cornball" country music he detested. I didn't like to admit to my friends that I rather liked Gordon Sinclair's "The Americans" which was on AM radio, if I recall correctly, in April and May 1973. White I thrilled to Nixon's travails that spring, the following summer and winter and his resignation in August 1974, I supported the Nixon Pardon. And I may add, alone in my high school.

While I voted for Jimmy Carter in 1976, and even going to the Democratic Convention with a press pass, I found his growing affection for left-wing causes painful. I voted for him in 1980, mostly out of fear of the novelty and dramatic change that Reagan threatened. I actually did likewise in 2016, voting for Clinton. But I correctly predicted that deregulation, in particular decontrol of oil and gasoline prices, would lower costs for Americans. As liberals began to champion nonsense causes such as "global warming" and became increasingly aligned with forces that wanted to harm the U.S. I almost completely parted company with what misguided people call "liberalism." Frankly it is control-freak fascism with a politically correct name.

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How odd. You have no idea what you're talking about and think others need to be advised of that fact.

JBG said:

I was born in 1957. Obviously when I was six I didn't understand politics. I did understand the radio stories about "Negroes" being met with fire-hoses and attack dogs for the sin of going to school. I vaguely understood the aspirational and prostest songs such as "Blowin' in the Wind," "If I Had a Hammer," "We Shall Overcome" and "Where Have All the Flowers Gone." As the sixties went on I was on the side of "peace" in Vietnam and of the Earth Day movement. I supported the Pentagon Papers publication. All of this was between ages six and 14.

This began to change with the Lod Airport massacre in May 1972 in Tel Aviv and the Olympics Massacre that same year. The condemnations of both atrocities by liberal politicians was mixed with "understanding" of Arab anger. I felt at the time that a senseless murder was a senseless murder. Still, one of the last things I did with my father was distribute literature for the McGovern campaign on November 5, 1972, two days before the election.

My father was a staunch liberal. His death on January 5, 1973 really set my mind free politically. I started liking the "cornball" country music he detested. I didn't like to admit to my friends that I rather liked Gordon Sinclair's "The Americans" which was on AM radio, if I recall correctly, in April and May 1973. White I thrilled to Nixon's travails that spring, the following summer and winter and his resignation in August 1974, I supported the Nixon Pardon. And I may add, alone in my high school.

While I voted for Jimmy Carter in 1976, and even going to the Democratic Convention with a press pass, I found his growing affection for left-wing causes painful. I voted for him in 1980, mostly out of fear of the novelty and dramatic change that Reagan threatened. I actually did likewise in 2016, voting for Clinton. But I correctly predicted that deregulation, in particular decontrol of oil and gasoline prices, would lower costs for Americans. As liberals began to champion nonsense causes such as "global warming" and became increasingly aligned with forces that wanted to harm the U.S. I almost completely parted company with what misguided people call "liberalism." Frankly it is control-freak fascism with a politically correct name.

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Liberal is the exact opposite of fascist and control-freak.
That you don't know that means you fit right in here.

JBG said:

I totally agree. Reagan (I think) said it best; "I didn't leave the Democratic party, the Democratic Party left me." Now to some extent JFK talked the talk and didn't walk the walk. Those were very conservative times, think Ozzie and Harriet, and no one was likely electable running as a liberal. Even 12 years later George McGovern ran into that problem. Jimmy Carter's solution was simply to lie about his ideology. As Bob Dole called him, a "southern fried George McGovern."

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Back in those "very conservative" times, Richard Nixon was working with Ed Kennedy on universal healthcare, and the Heritage foundation first proposed its system of universal national healthcare with an individual mandate back in 1989.

Oh, cool, another "my side is great, your side is crap" thread......everyone line up in your usual positions, let's run through this again...wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee...... :roll:

JBG said:

I was born in 1957. Obviously when I was six I didn't understand politics. I did understand the radio stories about "Negroes" being met with fire-hoses and attack dogs for the sin of going to school. I vaguely understood the aspirational and prostest songs such as "Blowin' in the Wind," "If I Had a Hammer," "We Shall Overcome" and "Where Have All the Flowers Gone." As the sixties went on I was on the side of "peace" in Vietnam and of the Earth Day movement. I supported the Pentagon Papers publication. All of this was between ages six and 14.

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I was even younger than you but that never stopped me from knowing that Jim Crow was wrong and Vietnam was a misguided attempt to stop a political movement half a world away.

This began to change with the Lod Airport massacre in May 1972 in Tel Aviv and the Olympics Massacre that same year. The condemnations of both atrocities by liberal politicians was mixed with "understanding" of Arab anger. I felt at the time that a senseless murder was a senseless murder. Still, one of the last things I did with my father was distribute literature for the McGovern campaign on November 5, 1972, two days before the election.

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I was there for that, and paying attention. No one was sympathizing with the guerrillas. They were condemned across the board by both sides of the liberal-conservative divide. By the way, Nixon cheated in that election....that's one of the key reasons he had to resign. Let's just say, his boys hacked a file cabinet, and he covered it up. You should see similar results here soon in the here and now.

My father was a staunch liberal. His death on January 5, 1973 really set my mind free politically. I started liking the "cornball" country music he detested. I didn't like to admit to my friends that I rather liked Gordon Sinclair's "The Americans" which was on AM radio, if I recall correctly, in April and May 1973. White I thrilled to Nixon's travails that spring, the following summer and winter and his resignation in August 1974, I supported the Nixon Pardon. And I may add, alone in my high school.

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Sorry to hear that about your dad. It sounds like he died very young.

While I voted for Jimmy Carter in 1976, and even going to the Democratic Convention with a press pass, I found his growing affection for left-wing causes painful. I voted for him in 1980, mostly out of fear of the novelty and dramatic change that Reagan threatened. I actually did likewise in 2016, voting for Clinton. But I correctly predicted that deregulation, in particular decontrol of oil and gasoline prices, would lower costs for Americans. As liberals began to champion nonsense causes such as "global warming" and became increasingly aligned with forces that wanted to harm the U.S. I almost completely parted company with what misguided people call "liberalism." Frankly it is control-freak fascism with a politically correct name.

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I was never a Carter fan...although I like him now. He ended up being a good man after all. I liked Reagan at the time, but not so much now. His policies ushered in the debt spending that has us handcuffed now.

Your ideas of fascism are strange.

No political person is pure liberal or pure conservative on all ISSUES. We are a Nation that no longer solves ISSUES.

Though I am an election LIBERAL, I'm one of the most conservative people on this board when it comes to fixing the catastrophic problem of public pension debt from federal to states to municipalities for future retirees. I know the subject, being a retired teacher. My GOP friends hate my 'fixes'. I've seen the damage done by the can being kicked down the road for the last 50 years.

How about means and asset testing for wealthy, selfish Boomers? How much is enough, trust fund babies? Do you really need that Social Security you earned? Nice mindset. We didn't get into this mess overnight. It will take a WWII mentality to get out of it.

I might also add, to the chagrin of my liberal friends, that I'm French Catholic on my Dad's side from a conservative Democratic family. Mom is prim and proper Victorian Mores and I was born on a USAF base in England in 1953, older than the OP and TD.

I'm no woman, so it's not my choice and I cringe when I support a woman's choice, though as a Chemist/Physicist I would ask you all how many Einsteins have been aborted since Roe v. Wade? How many elections have been lost to GOPs since the 1980s by DEMs pushing their social agenda too quickly and too publicly on the 'silent majority'?

This whole moronic nonsense of denying climate change has kept me from that section of the board for good reasons. Physical Scientists who know what they're talking about, like me, don't waste their time with GOP science deniers.

I do believe in wealth inequality; I see it every year in high schools with 'sports inequality'. I taught poor kids for 30 of my 33 years. We spent half as much per kid as rich schools. That's why I pushed my students so hard, so they could kick ass in college.

I was a poor Air Force brat of a lifer NCO. I know what it's like to sleep in your younger brother's 1962 Chevy my last 2 semesters in college in 1976. I'm grateful for my parents' sacrifice to help me as much as they could; with my two younger brothers helping me with their decent jobs as they didn't go to college.

My Mother's on Medicaid in an assisted living home. I am prepared to pick up whatever the GOPs take away from her. She was a dedicated service Mother, raising the family when Dad took TDYs for extra money.

When my wife retires after two more years, we'll be jumping into TRIP and dealing with health insurance. I'm a pre-existing condition. On the ISSUES, we are all a product of our DNA and experiences ..

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Some feel that they have left Liberalism. In reality, the Democratic Party left Liberalism in favor of the neoMarxism of the Progressive Movement. Hubert Humphrey was probably the last traditional Liberal and he was shunted aside.

As an example of the change, can you image a Democrat today saying, "Ask not what your country can do for you; ask what you can do for your country"?? Instead, their battle cry is "From each according to his means; to each according to his needs" - another way of offering "free" via "wealth redistribution".

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HHH would have been elected if Nixon had not treasonously interfered in peace talks during the 1968 election .