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Schumer Now Admits Russia Did Not Hack The Election

JamesBY said:
Then we are in agreement. Pence it is. And I hope so. You have no historical context at all on your timeline for investigations. Twenty three months it took on Nixon. Remember that you are not gate keeper at all on the investigation, just an interested onlooker like us all.

It is time for Dodgers baseball.
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But you know the end result with Nixon. You don't know the end result with Trump, other than your partisan opinion.
 
Moderate Right said:
But you know the end result with Nixon. You don't know the end result with Trump, other than your partisan opinion.
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That conclusion is silly. My opinion is no more partisan than is yours. We have to wait for the investigation's results. You are partisan in say there is no way there was wrong doing, and the investigation is just a witch hunt.
 
JamesBY said:
That conclusion is silly. My opinion is no more partisan than is yours. We have to wait for the investigation's results. You are partisan in say there is no way there was wrong doing, and the investigation is just a witch hunt.
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But you are claiming the investigations will result in something.
 
Moderate Right said:
Don't assume anything? The left is assuming that Trump and his aides will be charged with something.
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"The left assumes"?

That is sincerely baffling that you believe that just the left believe, or is living in some state of ignorance, or some hopeful fantasy that Trump, his family, his advisors, appointees, his campaign staff have and are committing a series of questionable behaviors that could bring down the Trump dynasty.

People of every political flavor and philosophy can smell a pole cat.

You don't even have to look at all of the crazy events and allegations flying around the Trump bunch. Just review the decades of Trump's past that's filled with shady, unethical, dishonest business practices. What made anyone think that a man of his character could be the champion of the people and genuinely work to clean up the establishment? Was the thinking by the voters that it takes a shyster to bring down the corruption in Washington?

Trump has and is making his office and our nation a worldwide laughing stock. Trump is a narcissistic, megalomaniac, kleptocrat. The entire world sees him for what he is. Well, all of the world, but about 60 million people in the US.
 
Removable Mind said:
"The left assumes"?

That is sincerely baffling that you believe that just the left believe, or is living in some state of ignorance, or some hopeful fantasy that Trump, his family, his advisors, appointees, his campaign staff have and are committing a series of questionable behaviors that could bring down the Trump dynasty.

People of every political flavor and philosophy can smell a pole cat.

You don't even have to look at all of the crazy events and allegations flying around the Trump bunch. Just review the decades of Trump's past that's filled with shady, unethical, dishonest business practices. What made anyone think that a man of his character could be the champion of the people and genuinely work to clean up the establishment? Was the thinking by the voters that it takes a shyster to bring down the corruption in Washington?

Trump has and is making his office and our nation a worldwide laughing stock. Trump is a narcissistic, megalomaniac, kleptocrat. The entire world sees him for what he is. Well, all of the world, but about 60 million people in the US.
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In other words, you're assuming - just like Republicans assumed Hillary's many investigations would bear fruit.
 
Moderate Right said:
In other words, you're assuming - just like Republicans assumed Hillary's many investigations would bear fruit.
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Your "Amazing Kresken" act is really missing the mark. I'm not assuming anything. We have a judicial system that works when we work it. I am a devout believer in Due Process, both procedural and substantive.

I wasn't talking about Hillary, but rest assured if she is brought before a grand jury panel and adequate evidence is presented and she is true billed, then she will stand trial.

The difference is that Trump will pardon everyone who might be convicted - possibly himself if it's possible. Hillary won't be getting Master Trump's blessings and pardon. Therein lies just a small segment of his hypocrisy and dishonesty.

"For the permanent record" so that you don't feel compelled to use Hillary as a comparison in future exchanges. I don't want another Clinton in the WH or any other high seat or capacity in the WH or on the Hill. If Hillary is found guilty of committing crimes while serving as Secretary of State then so ****ing be it. But that goes for all 535 in the Kingdom of Washington. I don't give a **** what their political affiliation or philosophy is. If a public servant is corrupt for any reason they need to prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

I'm sick to ****ing death of the bull**** that is used as an excuse to claim that all liberals or all conservatives have robotic behaviors and beliefs. But what is apparent is that there are radicals in both categories who give a lot of their philosophical peers a really bad name.

Radicalism is radicalism - regardless of any labels that they choose to be associated with. People who want to believe that radicalism only exists in some other countries are either naive or ignorant. America has it's share.
 
Removable Mind said:
Your "Amazing Kresken" act is really missing the mark. I'm not assuming anything. We have a judicial system that works when we work it. I am a devout believer in Due Process, both procedural and substantive.

I wasn't talking about Hillary, but rest assured if she is brought before a grand jury panel and adequate evidence is presented and she is true billed, then she will stand trial.

The difference is that Trump will pardon everyone who might be convicted - possibly himself if it's possible. Hillary won't be getting Master Trump's blessings and pardon. Therein lies just a small segment of his hypocrisy and dishonesty.

"For the permanent record" so that you don't feel compelled to use Hillary as a comparison in future exchanges. I don't want another Clinton in the WH or any other high seat or capacity in the WH or on the Hill. If Hillary is found guilty of committing crimes while serving as Secretary of State then so ****ing be it. But that goes for all 535 in the Kingdom of Washington. I don't give a **** what their political affiliation or philosophy is. If a public servant is corrupt for any reason they need to prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

I'm sick to ****ing death of the bull**** that is used as an excuse to claim that all liberals or all conservatives have robotic behaviors and beliefs. But what is apparent is that there are radicals in both categories who give a lot of their philosophical peers a really bad name.

Radicalism is radicalism - regardless of any labels that they choose to be associated with. People who want to believe that radicalism only exists in some other countries are either naive or ignorant. America has it's share.
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Again, you think you know the future and that Trump will pardon people, even though no one has been charged with a crime and may never be.
 
Moderate Right said:
Again, you think you know the future and that Trump will pardon people, even though no one has been charged with a crime and may never be.
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Again, your president is under investigation. Again, some of his advisors are under investigation. Again, some of campaign staff are under investigation. Again, some of his family are under investigation.

There is the officially announcement that Mueller is (or has) impounding a Federal Grand Jury.

No, an investigation is not a charge. I have never claimed otherwise.

An investigation is a search for evidence of wrongdoing by those under investigation. Any evidence submitted to the Grand Jury regarding any persons under investigation will be examined and each person under investigation will, based on the evidence, be no billed or true billed. If the evidence is strong enough, the person under investigation will be true billed and that person will be charged and go before a Federal Court for prosecution.

After the discovery of the meeting between the Russians and Donald Trump Jr, his son-in-law, a hig level campaign advisor who already has been let go for his close Russian ties, your president has made inquiry into who he call legally pardon, including himself. Why?

I'm not predicting anything thing about who will or who won't be charged for any reason.

But I find it very ****ing sad that our president, his family, his advisors, his campaign staff are under investigation for some damn serious events. Your president of just over 6 measly made months has created chaos - and not in a way he was voted into office.
 
Removable Mind said:
Again, your president is under investigation. Again, some of his advisors are under investigation. Again, some of campaign staff are under investigation. Again, some of his family are under investigation.

There is the officially announcement that Mueller is (or has) impounding a Federal Grand Jury.

No, an investigation is not a charge. I have never claimed otherwise.

An investigation is a search for evidence of wrongdoing by those under investigation. Any evidence submitted to the Grand Jury regarding any persons under investigation will be examined and each person under investigation will, based on the evidence, be no billed or true billed. If the evidence is strong enough, the person under investigation will be true billed and that person will be charged and go before a Federal Court for prosecution.

After the discovery of the meeting between the Russians and Donald Trump Jr, his son-in-law, a hig level campaign advisor who already has been let go for his close Russian ties, your president has made inquiry into who he call legally pardon, including himself. Why?

I'm not predicting anything thing about who will or who won't be charged for any reason.

But I find it very ****ing sad that our president, his family, his advisors, his campaign staff are under investigation for some damn serious events. Your president of just over 6 measly made months has created chaos - and not in a way he was voted into office.
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It is the left's fairly successful "resistance" that has created the chaos, just as the right's fairly successful "resistance" led to massive losses for the Democrats over the last six years. Democrats have stolen the Republican playbook.
 
Moderate Right said:
It is the left's fairly successful "resistance" that has created the chaos, just as the right's fairly successful "resistance" led to massive losses for the Democrats over the last six years. Democrats have stolen the Republican playbook.
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The LEFT my ass. Political philosophy rigidity is taking a serious toll on a lot of people.

Even Helen Keller could see that what's going on isn't a political philosophical device.

What's going on is that your president has made a mess of his presidency and refuses to take responsibility or be accountable for this chaotic debacle that HE created - and then he and dragged in other people to join in his scandalous behaviors. Not just any people, but family.

You've come up with the Damnist excuses for Trump and the GOP. I know you're hurt by their failures and unethical conduct, but you will eventually have to accept reality.
 
Moderate Right said:
Schumer Rips Hillary: Don?t Blame Comey or Russia, ?Blame Yourself? - The Daily Beast

No reason for Schumer to say this unless he now believes that nothing Russia did actually changed the election results. Are Democrats now finally coming to grips with their huge losses over the last six years, culminating in Trump winning and continuing into this year at being 0 for 4, even after heavy "resistance" did nothing but convince Americans that the Democratic party doesn't stand for anything but resistance?
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The fact of the matter is that Russia DID meddle in the election. Trump and his family are very much tied with Russia in some way which explains the very soft stance Trump has with Putin.

The Trump presidency will probably be stained with charges of corruption, nepotism, and probably other dark acts.

Interesting thought. Trump won the election because he was able to tap into the deep discontent by the white, working class. You know, the folks who did not make it into the Ivy League schools. These are the guys who felt they were left out by the Dems. Hillary's fatal problem was that she took them for granted, refused to heed the information given her by Dems in the rust belt. As Trump said, she just ran a poor campaign. Comey's letter was also a factor in her loss. True, however, she did have program ideas that Trump does not have.
 
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Moderate Right said:
It is the left's fairly successful "resistance" that has created the chaos, just as the right's fairly successful "resistance" led to massive losses for the Democrats over the last six years. Democrats have stolen the Republican playbook.
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Man on man, is this guy ever in denial. If Trump were to say the moon is made of cheese, could this guy believe him?

If you look at Trump's behavior, his softness towards Russia, his deep admiration of Putin, that will tell you a lot of things. There is no doubt there is something there that Trump, his family, and others must have some kind of relationship with Russia--like the money angle. No doubt, Trump is getting nervous which explains his behavior.
 
Moderate Right said:
Schumer Rips Hillary: Don?t Blame Comey or Russia, ?Blame Yourself? - The Daily Beast

No reason for Schumer to say this unless he now believes that nothing Russia did actually changed the election results. Are Democrats now finally coming to grips with their huge losses over the last six years, culminating in Trump winning and continuing into this year at being 0 for 4, even after heavy "resistance" did nothing but convince Americans that the Democratic party doesn't stand for anything but resistance?
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The fact of the matter is that Russia DID meddle in the election. Trump and his family are very much tied with Russia in some way which explains the very soft stance Trump has with Putin.

The Trump presidency will probably be stained with charges of corruption, nepotism, and probably other dark acts.

Interesting thought. Trump won the election because he was able to tap into the deep discontent by the white, working class. You know, the folks who did not make it into the Ivy League schools. These are the guys who felt they were left out by the Dems. Hillary's fatal problem was that she took them for granted, refused to heed the information given her by Dems in the rust belt. As Trump said, she just ran a poor campaign. Corey's letter was also a factor in her loss. True, however, she did have program ideas that Trump does not have.
 
ray188 said:
There are really two issues getting crossed up here. One is the topic - our elections and the Russians. And the other is "Oh how I hate Trump and "homers" ("homers"??)".

As to the cyber warfare aspect - I can't imagine any American regardless of Party or ideology opposed to serious efforts to protect our Nation.
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Its unfortunate that they are more interested in sticking it to the president, then actually hoping for something to get fixed.

I just like seeing all of the funny crap being thrown around the net at this time.
 
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