Will the right wing blame game work this time?

presluc said:

When my post are proven to be mistakes I will take the blame I won't blame somebody else like the Republicans and Democrats do.eace

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Fishking said:

Sure. It doesn't mean anything, either way. I'm just pointing out that there is nothing saying 50/50 odds. The reality is the biggest reason why allegedly is used is because until someone has actually been convicted of something you can be sued for slander.

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JamesBY said:

The proper response is, of course, "when I, presluc, can accept, yea, verily, indeed, am wrong . . .", but you are not there yet. Verily.

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presluc said:

You've read my post , prove me wrong point out my errors don't dance around the issues , don't criticize me for criticizing Trump step up or step off..
Correcting my post maybe one thing , correcting my point ,that maybe a bit more difficult.eace

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JamesBY said:

Verily, I believe have I done so. So I will leave our conversation at that.[/QUOT

Frankly I don't see it, all I see are excuses, like the investigation process and the leaders of America are wrong, there was no hacking into America's election system allegedly??
Or like you have a Republican president votes , you have a majority of Republican votes in the House you have a majority of votes in the Senate yet when a bill don't pass it's the Democrats fault???
Sounds like you have done nothing but make excuses for the Republican party.eace

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presluc said:

JamesBY said:

Verily, I believe have I done so. So I will leave our conversation at that.[/QUOT

Frankly I don't see it, all I see are excuses, like the investigation process and the leaders of America are wrong, there was no hacking into America's election system allegedly??
Or like you have a Republican president votes , you have a majority of Republican votes in the House you have a majority of votes in the Senate yet when a bill don't pass it's the Democrats fault???
Sounds like you have done nothing but make excuses for the Republican party.eace

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It shows that the Democrats don't have the slightest interest at all in being bipartisan. The only thing the party stands for is the resistance. But, The Better Deal is right around the corner. The Better Deal offers up absolutely nothing new. Just the same old stuff that has caused them to lose over 1,000 seats over the last six years.

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Moderate Right said:

presluc said:

It shows that the Democrats don't have the slightest interest at all in being bipartisan. The only thing the party stands for is the resistance. But, The Better Deal is right around the corner. The Better Deal offers up absolutely nothing new. Just the same old stuff that has caused them to lose over 1,000 seats over the last six years.

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Both Republicans and Democrats have fallen short for the progress of America and the prosperity of the American people.eace

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presluc said:

Moderate Right said:

Both Republicans and Democrats have fallen short for the progress of America and the prosperity of the American people.eace

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I don't believe you are serious about that. You sound like a far lefty Bernie Sanders man who blames Republicans for everything and Democrats for getting in the way of Democratic Socialism.

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Moderate Right said:

presluc said:

I don't believe you are serious about that. You sound like a far lefty Bernie Sanders man who blames Republicans for everything and Democrats for getting in the way of Democratic Socialism.

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Well, it seems like some people have come a long way of posting , first I was a Democrat, then I was pro Democrat then a "lefty" now I am what is it you said? a "far lefty which stands for Democratic Socialism?
It seems like you are still guessing on what I am, and who I stand for.
You should be asking who I am and what I stand for.
The answer you seek is quite simple,as far as who I am, I AM HUMAN, AMERICAN, as far as what I stand for THE PROGRESS OF AMERICA AND PROSPERITY OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE..
Bottom line I am neither RIGHT WING OR LEFT WING, NEITHER REPUBLICAN NOR DEMOCRAT
I AM INDEPENDENT I STAND FOR NO POLITICAL PARTY NOT EVEN THE INDEPENDENT POLITICAL PARTY
I STAND FOR AMERICA.
Anybody that puts a political party before the progress of America is wrong..eace

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presluc said:

Moderate Right said:

Well, it seems like some people have come a long way of posting , first I was a Democrat, then I was pro Democrat then a "lefty" now I am what is it you said? a "far lefty which stands for Democratic Socialism?
It seems like you are still guessing on what I am, and who I stand for.
You should be asking who I am and what I stand for.
The answer you seek is quite simple,as far as who I am, I AM HUMAN, AMERICAN, as far as what I stand for THE PROGRESS OF AMERICA AND PROSPERITY OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE..
Bottom line I am neither RIGHT WING OR LEFT WING, NEITHER REPUBLICAN NOR DEMOCRAT
I AM INDEPENDENT I STAND FOR NO POLITICAL PARTY NOT EVEN THE INDEPENDENT POLITICAL PARTY
I STAND FOR AMERICA.
Anybody that puts a political party before the progress of America is wrong..eace

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List your policy objectives. They are left, not right. You are like a gay person from several years ago who refuses to come out. You don't want to be labeled but there is absolutely nothing conservative about you. Nothing. Not one thing. Therefore you are a lefty. A true independent would vote for candidates of both parties and other parties. I find it extremely fascinating that people who post here who are conservatives are not ashamed or embarrassed to own up to who they are but I see many on the left who seem to be ashamed and embarrassed to own up to who they are. If you call conservatives conservative they do not get offended but if you call some liberals on here liberal they take it as an insult. If you really believe in your values then you shouldn't be ashamed or embarrassed to own up to who you are.

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Moderate Right said:

presluc said:

List your policy objectives. They are left, not right. You are like a gay person from several years ago who refuses to come out. You don't want to be labeled but there is absolutely nothing conservative about you. Nothing. Not one thing. Therefore you are a lefty. A true independent would vote for candidates of both parties and other parties. I find it extremely fascinating that people who post here who are conservatives are not ashamed or embarrassed to own up to who they are but I see many on the left who seem to be ashamed and embarrassed to own up to who they are. If you call conservatives conservative they do not get offended but if you call some liberals on here liberal they take it as an insult. If you really believe in your values then you shouldn't be ashamed or embarrassed to own up to who you are.

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I left the Democratic political party because they were too weak and didn't like me criticizing Obama and the Democratic party.
However, the Republican party is no better they do make a good speech and really tough talk but after that , and after 1 or 2 failures they too become weak and and they whine whine whine.

I am an Independent I owe no loyalty to either party , so if a bad candidate gets nominated I don't have to vote for them .
I don't have to wait to see if it's a Republican or Democrat mistake to criticize , if it's a mistake I will criticize.

So you can "label" me as you wish , but I know who I am and what I stand for I walk my own path.eace

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presluc said:

Moderate Right said:

I left the Democratic political party because they were too weak and didn't like me criticizing Obama and the Democratic party.
However, the Republican party is no better they do make a good speech and really tough talk but after that , and after 1 or 2 failures they too become weak and and they whine whine whine.

I am an Independent I owe no loyalty to either party , so if a bad candidate gets nominated I don't have to vote for them .
I don't have to wait to see if it's a Republican or Democrat mistake to criticize , if it's a mistake I will criticize.

So you can "label" me as you wish , but I know who I am and what I stand for I walk my own path.eace

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A true independent would vote for candidates on both sides and candidates on no sides. What you did ten or twenty years ago doesn't count. Do you do that? I actually do. I vote a mix of Democrats, Republicans, and Independents with a moderate/conservative theme. If the Democratic party isn't far enough to the left for you then you are not an independent. You are a far lefty.

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Moderate Right said:

presluc said:

A true independent would vote for candidates on both sides and candidates on no sides. What you did ten or twenty years ago doesn't count. Do you do that? I actually do. I vote a mix of Democrats, Republicans, and Independents with a moderate/conservative theme. If the Democratic party isn't far enough to the left for you then you are not an independent. You are a far lefty.

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That's funny.when I had this list of things I stood for I was considered far right.
Death penalty
Pro Isreal
drug test on all welfare recipients
The right to bear arms and gun control
Illegal immigrants amnesty
The better screening of any refugees coming to America.
Against foreign aid to nations that don't like America.
That's just a short list
You as well as I know some of these are quite popular with the Republican/conservative party are they not?
No Democrat I know of supports the death penalty or drug test for welfare recipients .

I could list some of popular Democratic party issues but since you have me labeled as a "far lefty" you should know what they are.
If not you need but ask.

However you have stated that you vote a mixture of Democrats , Republicans and Independents.
Perhaps you could list some of the good Democratic, or Indpendent issues you are inclined to vote for.
Since I have listed some of mine list some Democratic/Idependent issues you support. You could never vote for a Democrat unless they had some issue that you favored could you, or do you just blindly vote for a politician and not anything they stand for?eace

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presluc said:

Well for those of you who don't know me, I am an Independent voter.

As for as the name of this thread I say no, the blame game will not work .

I was cruising through the news when I saw President Trump talking he sounded upset about the Republican health bill not passing again.
The first Republican health bill was submitted it failed , now another Republican health bill failed.

However that is not what this thread is about.

It's about a statement made by the President of the United States,
The statement " IT'S THE DEMOCRATS FAULT",a statement that is well at the very least questionable at the most WELL?

I ask this question, How can it be the Democrats fault, since the Democrats are a weak ass party?
Then another question, How can it be the Democrats fault since the Republicans have a Republican president, a Republican administration, a Republican majority in the House , a Republican majority in the senate???

So how can you blame somebody for a mistake you made in government when you have the control of government??

I did state on another post the Republican party better do good cause there's nobody out here left to blame.eace

Ladies and gentlemen I await your comments on this issue.eace

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Captain America said:

The blame game only works when it falls on willing ears. Some call them the gullible types but I'll leave that for others to decide. To answer the topic question, yes. Yes, the blame game DOES work when it falls on the aforementioned ears. And it works every time.

Reality is perception. The trick to command your reality is to artfully craft your perception. There are several methods to accomplish that. The blame game is one of them but it only works with so many people.

People, who are certain they got it all dailed in and are beyond reproach in their political opinions and viewpoints, don't know ****. They THINK they know. They certainly spend more time studying the available information out there, but their opiinions and viewpoints are usually so dilluted and polluted with all the misinformation available, that they willfully absorbed, renders them to be, for the most part, just arrogant blow-hards. They still don't know ****.

I should know. I'm one of them.

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presluc said:

Moderate Right said:

That's funny.when I had this list of things I stood for I was considered far right.
Death penalty
Pro Isreal
drug test on all welfare recipients
The right to bear arms and gun control
Illegal immigrants amnesty
The better screening of any refugees coming to America.
Against foreign aid to nations that don't like America.
That's just a short list
You as well as I know some of these are quite popular with the Republican/conservative party are they not?
No Democrat I know of supports the death penalty or drug test for welfare recipients .

I could list some of popular Democratic party issues but since you have me labeled as a "far lefty" you should know what they are.
If not you need but ask.

However you have stated that you vote a mixture of Democrats , Republicans and Independents.
Perhaps you could list some of the good Democratic, or Indpendent issues you are inclined to vote for.
Since I have listed some of mine list some Democratic/Idependent issues you support. You could never vote for a Democrat unless they had some issue that you favored could you, or do you just blindly vote for a politician and not anything they stand for?eace

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I actually voted for Obama in 2012 because I thought his first four years were OK. However, I was extremely disappointed in his last four years and want my vote back. I also voted for Gore over GWB and I believe I voted for Bill Clinton in 1996. I had voted for a Democratic congressman for several elections. The last governorship in my state I voted Independent. In my younger days I was a liberal Democrat, until I grew up and matured. I saw first hand that their policies really don't help the poor at all and, in fact, keep the poor in a cycle of poverty that they can't escape from. This election I refused to vote for either Hillary or Trump and wrote in Kasich, whom I believe you mentioned in a post. I also recently emailed Joe Manchin, even though I am not a constituent, and suggested that he run for president.

I am actually against the death penalty. I don't understand how Republicans can be pro life and pro death penalty. Doesn't jive. I used to be very much for gun control big time and even donated money to the cause. However, my views have flipped considerably on that issue for a number of reasons, although I could actually care less about guns. I am against the discrimination of gays but I am not for gay marriage. However, that issue has been settled and there are way too many other important issues to waste time turning back that clock on that. I am against abortion as a means of birth control but am not for overturning RvW. As far as drug testing welfare recipients, I think it is important to have a game plan as to what to do with anyone who fails the drug test. You can't just deny them benefits and let them and their kids suffer and let them turn to a life of crime in order to survive. I would be for mandatory long term treatment options for those who fail and I support taking their children away from them until they have proven they are not only clean but will stay clean. Second time, longer term treatment and take their kids away permanently.

Overall, I am for moderates on both sides, although I see very few on the left. If Joe Manchin had run against Trump he would have gotten my vote. There were several Republicans in the primaries I would have preferred over Trump. But, I took notice of the election and learned why it was that people voted for Trump, unlike the left who have just gone bat**** rabid and refuse to understand why Trump won.

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Moderate Right said:

presluc said:

I actually voted for Obama in 2012 because I thought his first four years were OK. However, I was extremely disappointed in his last four years and want my vote back. I also voted for Gore over GWB and I believe I voted for Bill Clinton in 1996. I had voted for a Democratic congressman for several elections. The last governorship in my state I voted Independent. In my younger days I was a liberal Democrat, until I grew up and matured. I saw first hand that their policies really don't help the poor at all and, in fact, keep the poor in a cycle of poverty that they can't escape from. This election I refused to vote for either Hillary or Trump and wrote in Kasich, whom I believe you mentioned in a post. I also recently emailed Joe Manchin, even though I am not a constituent, and suggested that he run for president.

I am actually against the death penalty. I don't understand how Republicans can be pro life and pro death penalty. Doesn't jive. I used to be very much for gun control big time and even donated money to the cause. However, my views have flipped considerably on that issue for a number of reasons, although I could actually care less about guns. I am against the discrimination of gays but I am not for gay marriage. However, that issue has been settled and there are way too many other important issues to waste time turning back that clock on that. I am against abortion as a means of birth control but am not for overturning RvW. As far as drug testing welfare recipients, I think it is important to have a game plan as to what to do with anyone who fails the drug test. You can't just deny them benefits and let them and their kids suffer and let them turn to a life of crime in order to survive. I would be for mandatory long term treatment options for those who fail and I support taking their children away from them until they have proven they are not only clean but will stay clean. Second time, longer term treatment and take their kids away permanently.

Overall, I am for moderates on both sides, although I see very few on the left. If Joe Manchin had run against Trump he would have gotten my vote. There were several Republicans in the primaries I would have preferred over Trump. But, I took notice of the election and learned why it was that people voted for Trump, unlike the left who have just gone bat**** rabid and refuse to understand why Trump won.

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Well you have called me a far lefty yet say you are Independent or moderate on both sides.
Just one point of order here.
I vote a mixture of Democrats, Republicans and Independents your words are they not?
Yet when ask to list some Democratic issues you dodge and weave using sentences like you are against discrimination for the gays but not for gay marriage. you were for gun control but flipped.
You are against abortion for birth control a majority of Democrats and Independents are as well as Republicans but you are against overturning RvW ,Question what was the case of RvW
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As far as drug testing this was my fault a miss quote on my part .
What I meant to say was drug test on all government officials as well as welfare recipients .
All though it is true you can't deny them benefits you can have surprise inspections of the home by social services , if you know anything about the system you know nobody on welfare wants that. . You can remove their children from the home which would lead to less benefits which would make things difficult for a welfare drug addict.

Back to your statement "I vote a mixture of Democrats , Republicans and Independents.
You did state 'unlike the left who have gone bat **** rabid and refuse to understand why Trump" won. These your words are they not?
My question is how could you vote for a political party's nomination who you consider bat **** rabid???? So do you think the Independent "the true Independents that are loyal to no political party" will not believe you are in fact a REPUBLICAN RIGHT WING FOLLOWER

You have stated that you were a liberal Democrat that you voted Democrat in the past, However this is the present and the future is coming,
America doesn't need a SENSITIVE leader , America doesn't need another TOUGH TALKING leader
America needs a GOOD LEADER.

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presluc said:

Moderate Right said:

Well you have called me a far lefty yet say you are Independent or moderate on both sides.
Just one point of order here.
I vote a mixture of Democrats, Republicans and Independents your words are they not?
Yet when ask to list some Democratic issues you dodge and weave using sentences like you are against discrimination for the gays but not for gay marriage. you were for gun control but flipped.
You are against abortion for birth control a majority of Democrats and Independents are as well as Republicans but you are against overturning RvW ,Question what was the case of RvW
.
As far as drug testing this was my fault a miss quote on my part .
What I meant to say was drug test on all government officials as well as welfare recipients .
All though it is true you can't deny them benefits you can have surprise inspections of the home by social services , if you know anything about the system you know nobody on welfare wants that. . You can remove their children from the home which would lead to less benefits which would make things difficult for a welfare drug addict.

Back to your statement "I vote a mixture of Democrats , Republicans and Independents.
You did state 'unlike the left who have gone bat **** rabid and refuse to understand why Trump" won. These your words are they not?
My question is how could you vote for a political party's nomination who you consider bat **** rabid???? So do you think the Independent "the true Independents that are loyal to no political party" will not believe you are in fact a REPUBLICAN RIGHT WING FOLLOWER

You have stated that you were a liberal Democrat that you voted Democrat in the past, However this is the present and the future is coming,
America doesn't need a SENSITIVE leader , America doesn't need another TOUGH TALKING leader
America needs a GOOD LEADER.

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I told you my views. Some of them the right would not like, especially the far right. I am moderate RIGHT and SLIGHTLY conservative. I never said I was right down the middle in between parties. I am a card carrying RINO and am against far right extremists. I don't like the Tea Party Libertarians or the Freedom Caucus. And I do vote for a mix of Democrats, Republicans, and Independents but I do have a conservative lean so the majority of my votes go to the red side. I didn't vote for Trump in the primaries. I didn't vote for Trump in the general. I didn't want Trump to be president at all. But, I will defend him from liberal nonsense just because they have sour grapes at their loss. They are the resistance and they have called themselves that.

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Moderate Right said:

presluc said:

I told you my views. Some of them the right would not like, especially the far right. I am moderate RIGHT and SLIGHTLY conservative. I never said I was right down the middle in between parties. I am a card carrying RINO and am against far right extremists. I don't like the Tea Party Libertarians or the Freedom Caucus. And I do vote for a mix of Democrats, Republicans, and Independents but I do have a conservative lean so the majority of my votes go to the red side. I didn't vote for Trump in the primaries. I didn't vote for Trump in the general. I didn't want Trump to be president at all. But, I will defend him from liberal nonsense just because they have sour grapes at their loss. They are the resistance and they have called themselves that.

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I don't see any of your views concerning the Left side nor the Independent side except for the fact you are against far right extremist pretty much every average American is.
Which brings another question "how did these far right extremist get into power they had to be nominated and only the Republican party can nominate members of the Right wing is this not true?


As far as being a conservative "which means to conserve" I personally do not think being a conservative stops at the Republican party. Being a conservative is merely to conserve that would be to conserve values that is important to the American people and the progress of America not to conserve one political party.

First let me say I have no love nor loyalty ,nor time for liberals, for the only issues they have are partisan politics and the blame game, but are the Trump right wing followers so different?

As for you defending Trump against Liberal nonsense I would ask WHY?
Can not the Leader of America defend himself?

Has Trump not criticized his own party members and fired some of them the same people he hired and by the way all Republicans.
You want to defend Trump that's your business , but you might drop him a line saying make some allies fast.
It is one thing to criticize the Democrats and Independents it is another to criticize your own political party leaders.
Or is Mr. Ryan , and the Congressman from Kentucky part of this far right wing extremist that I keep hearing about.

The news criticized Trump , he cried Fake news, The F.B.I. criticized Trump he got fired. Democrats criticize Trump they are called week and stupid. Independents Criticize Trump's policies they automatically become part of the Democratic Liberal system "although they criticize the Democrats and liberals as well" to block Trump from getting anything done.

Nobody has to do anything to block Trump just wait for the next tweet to show up or the next mistake to hit the floor.
Comedians are complaining they can't write a comedic dialog anymore don't have to just read today's tweets or watch and wait.eace

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