Will the right wing blame game work this time?

presluc · Jul 25, 2017

fmw said:
The whole problem is blame. Blame fixes nothing. Action does. The swamp is so muddy it no longer understands action. It only understands blame and re-election. I don't think there is any hope for us until we get single term limits on elected officials.

I could not debate this post , for I would lose I agree.

eace

presluc · Jul 25, 2017

Fishking said:
There are accusations that Russia hacked into some voter registration lists. That's the extent to them allegedly hacking in an election system.

Listen I know it's hard for you a party line walker to understand the real issue of a yes or no Interrogative sentence.

Did the Russians hack into an American election system? yes or no.
Come on this can't be that hard ,pick one either yes or no.

eace

presluc · Jul 25, 2017

Fishking said:
You understand that campaign promises very often don't come to fruition, right? These mistakes you're pointed out for Trump don't rate much and are not a distinction worth making. I even gave better ones. Try harder.

Being unhappy is a human rights violation now? Lol....OK dude.

Well that little attempted distraction don't mean a heck of a lot to me either.
Might try a different tactic that distraction crap is old actually it's ancient.

Bottom line Trump is not keeping his Campaign promises which means he's just another lieing politician who say's anything to get elected but after he's elected????

eace

presluc · Jul 25, 2017

ObamacareFail said:
You are one of the more cynical posters I have ever ran across. I cannot help what you claimed to have seen me post or not post. I have certainly criticized republicans on this forum. I have referred to the majority of them as establishment morons or RINOs, I have not criticized Trump since the election for the obvious reaon that I support what he is doing and attempting to do. However i did criticize him harshly during the primaries. If he had campaign in the general election in the same manner that he did in the primaries, I would have sat out the 2016 election. As for your biase against republicans, you have been spewing vitriol mostly at republicans and more so at Trump.

With a small few exceptions, I do not give a sh*t about the republican party. If I vote in the congressional elections at all, it's only for the sake of voting for a real conservative in my district or as a lesser of two evils. At least the RINOs in the republican congress would not have pushed and passed something as insanely stupid as obamacare.

I don't know how old you are, however I have always known what the Democrats stand for. While I am not going to compliment specific democrats just for the sake of appearing unbiased, there have been very few democrats that I have had any use for. One would be former Senator Zell Miller. He was more conservative then most RINO republicans. Had he lived in and ran in my district, I would have considered voting for him. And going back much further, the same goes for JFK. More to your point, If I consider a politician to be an ass, I will refer to him/her as an ass, no matter what party he is in.

You are talking about diehard partisans. I am an independent conservative. I am loyal to my conservative philosophy. Obviously I am much more likely to vote for a republican and these days, not likely at all to vote democrat. However I still consider most of the republican party as establishment RINO wusses. The democrat party took a hard left turn in the late 1960s and have only become worse. Obamacare as well as the party's attempt to change the voting demographics through amnesty for illegal immigrants make that point.

So you do favor Trump and have bias against the Democrats and the Republicans that don't agree with Trump and any Independent that don't agree with Trump. So what is this you and Trump are right on everything and the rest of the world is wrong.
That's sounds vaguely familiar One man right, his supporter right everybody else wrong let me think was it about 1936 maybe 1941 to 1945 maybe around Germany???

So the Democrats a majority anyway stand for bad and the Republicans being unbiased stand for good. If an Independent should question a Democrat or a Democratic President he is obviously a Republican with bias to the Democratic party and favoritism towards the Republican party.
Should the same Independent voter question a Republican president or the Republican party , presto changeo he becomes a Democrat with bias towards the Republican party and showing favoritism to Democrats
So how does that work exactly??

You are correct I am talking about partisan politics . I'm also talking about blindly following somebody and supporting somebody simply because they have a label of Conservative.
Since when did becoming a Conservative come with a mandatory Republican party member???

Sir, I too belong to an exclusive club, Independent American, what actions any political person takes from any party , if they are good I will recognize them as victory's to help my Country America in it's infinite search for progress for America and prosperity for the American people.
If however the actions are bad and I see a hindrance to American progress and a hindrance for the prosperity of the American people,
I will consider it a failure and a mistake and I will question and criticize.
Like I said Independent American perhaps you have heard of us perhaps not ask your Republican party , your conservative Independents if they might need Independent votes come the next election some say they don't some has called us fence sitters. VERY WELL WE SHALL SEE WE SHALL SEE.

eace

Fishking · Jul 25, 2017

presluc said:
Listen I know it's hard for you a party line walker to understand the real issue of a yes or no Interrogative sentence.

Did the Russians hack into an American election system? yes or no.
Come on this can't be that hard ,pick one either yes or no.eace

I have not seen any evidence of Russian hacking. I've heard accusations that they hacked into voter registration data. That's the only election systems that have allegedly been hacked by Russia. Do you have personal knowledge of the issue? Please submit your data. Am I missing some other election system? Let me know what I missed.

Fishking · Jul 25, 2017

presluc said:
Well that little attempted distraction don't mean a heck of a lot to me either.
Might try a different tactic that distraction crap is old actually it's ancient.

Bottom line Trump is not keeping his Campaign promises which means he's just another lieing politician who say's anything to get elected but after he's elected????eace

If that's the hill you want to die on, go for it.

ocean515 · Jul 25, 2017

Mach said:
Sure you did. You didn't refute my claim that you peddled bull****, you just said that it's fine because both sides do it.

Forfeiture plus "two wrongs make a right!".

So Washington Post columns are "Facts" now? Do you want us to go back and pull all the anti-Trump Post articles and shove them down your throat? LOL, outrageous.

That article is about polling people's thoughts...not what the DNC or individual candidates stand for. You have nothing.
Democrats won't have the spotlight until they have some power in Washington. Until then, we're all just watching the train wreck. Anyone can look up at any time, any democrats platform including the official DNC. That they don't, doesn't change the facts.
As the Democrats have no power right now nationally, the news focuses primary on two key things:
1. Trump's circus of a presidency and his fear of being investigated
2. the do-nothing Republican House and Senate

In the real world the DNC is the Democratic Party, and I showed you the *actual facts of their platform/positions on issues*.
You can further look at any candidate - Sanders, HRC, etc.

We're tuned in. I can't wait until Trump fires Jeff and tries to remove Mueller from investigating him. It will be a blockbuster.

No, you claimed I was peddling bulls***. I simply asked if only libs should be allowed to do so.

Rather sad you can't follow your own accusations.

Tuned in? To what, the crazy channel?

You do understand the people are watching what the alt-left is doing. They are watching what their MSM partners are doing.

If you think that's going to play out well, go for it.

The last time I checked, it amounted to 1000 seats lost across the country, and the loss of Congress and the White House.

:screwy

presluc · Jul 26, 2017

ObamacareFail said:
It happened when the conservative base worked out that the establishment leadership was pulling a fast one. The republican party votes on and approves a mainstream conservative platform every four years at convention time. then after the election is passed, they sideline it and ignore it. They only use it as window dressing to mollify the conservative base. Around 2008, the conservative base caught onto that. That is what led to the birth of the Tea Party.

It is, and they showed up in 2016 for Trump.

Tea Party comes the closest.

You really have not caught on at all in regards to the 2016 election, have you. Trump is a populist. He came in as an outsider promising to actually honor that conservative platform that other republican candidates merely give lip service to. And he is making every effort to honor those promises. Ronald Reagan was a populist as well.

Certainly establishment RINO republicans in congress would like to see Trump fail. They see him as a threat to the status quo political system. However, you are again projecting. Obamacare repeal and replace(sort of) did pass in the House. It's coming up just a handful of votes shy, so far, in the Senate. In any case, if repeal and replace falls short, it's on the GOP congress, not Trump. He is calling their bluff. After all the GOP did pass a clean repeal in 2015, however they felt safe knowing Obama would veto it. Now their fortunes in 2018 depend on making Obamacare go away....even if they do not really want to.

So which Republicans nominated and voted for this establishment leadership.
Lets see was it the Democrats uhh, don't think so
Was it the Independents don't think so Independents can't nominate Republican candidates
So who does that leave???

The Tea party "aka Republicans on acid with such staunch members , like Sarah Palin" lol

I think I might have a grasp on that let me see , Trump a Republican "really not a Republican a populist",, is nominated and voted for by the Republican party which is run by mean old Republican establishment leadership but somehow blames the Democrats for his mistakes??

So these Republican RHINOS ,did they by chance help get Trump nominated and elected?

You keep saying these Republican so called Rhinos have refused to pass a healthcare bill because they want to stop Trump.
Did you ever consider the fact thagt it might not be Trump it might be a lousy healthcare bill?

eace

presluc · Jul 26, 2017

Fishking said:
I have not seen any evidence of Russian hacking. I've heard accusations that they hacked into voter registration data. That's the only election systems that have allegedly been hacked by Russia. Do you have personal knowledge of the issue? Please submit your data. Am I missing some other election system? Let me know what I missed.

As an old T.V show once said just the facts please.
I ask you a yes or no question didn't ask for your opinion of an investigation.
Did Russian Hackers hack into a n American election system .
Yes or no?

eace

presluc · Jul 26, 2017

ocean515 said:
I stated the Republicans in Congress have an obligation to address the mess the Dems created. I agree they will be judged on their ability to do that.

I have simply been stating the Dems own the mess of Obamacare, and that will never change.

Aren't you forgetting something?
The Republican party from the President to the Congress has an obligation to come up with a GOOD AFFORDABLE HEALTHCARE PLAN.
Keyword here GOOD.

eace

presluc · Jul 26, 2017

Fishking said:
If that's the hill you want to die on, go for it.

I'm not too concerned about dieing on my hill, but if Trump goes down all the Republican party will become collateral damage.

If you think that couldn't happen check Trump's approval rating a Republican majority in Congress check their approval rating.
FYI, this ain't from CNN or fake news this is from the American people.

eace

Fishking · Jul 26, 2017

presluc said:
As an old T.V show once said just the facts please.
I ask you a yes or no question didn't ask for your opinion of an investigation.
Did Russian Hackers hack into a n American election system .
Yes or no?eace

Again, I haven't personally seen the evidence so I don't know the answer to that question. I'm guessing you haven't seen it either. Also you didn't answer my question. Did I miss any other election systems? If so, let me know.

Fishking · Jul 26, 2017

presluc said:
I'm not too concerned about dieing on my hill, but if Trump goes down all the Republican party will become collateral damage.

If you think that couldn't happen check Trump's approval rating a Republican majority in Congress check their approval rating.
FYI, this ain't from CNN or fake news this is from the American people.eace

I don't know what point you're trying to make. Trump is the best thing that could have ever happened for the failing Democrat party. They don't have anything actually working for them but Trump's character failings are so bad that the Democrats will bounce back without changing the fact that their entire ideology is cancer.

Moderate Right · Jul 26, 2017

presluc said:
Aren't you forgetting something?
The Republican party from the President to the Congress has an obligation to come up with a GOOD AFFORDABLE HEALTHCARE PLAN.
Keyword here GOOD.eace

The trouble is, your only definition of "good" is how many people are covered. Republicans want to give Americans back their right not to purchase health insurance if they don't want to. This will cause many to take advantage of their right not to buy health insurance if they don't want to.

ocean515 · Jul 27, 2017

presluc said:
Aren't you forgetting something?
The Republican party from the President to the Congress has an obligation to come up with a GOOD AFFORDABLE HEALTHCARE PLAN.
Keyword here GOOD.eace

No they don't. The Dems already came up with a plan and made it the law of the land.

They may have an obligation to try to fix the mess the Dems created, since that has been a campaign issue, but that means nothing.

How many campaign promises do politicians actually keep?

So if the occupants of Congress come up with something to fix the mess the Dems created, you want it to centered on the operative word, "GOOD".

So, define "GOOD".

presluc · Jul 27, 2017

Fishking said:
Again, I haven't personally seen the evidence so I don't know the answer to that question. I'm guessing you haven't seen it either. Also you didn't answer my question. Did I miss any other election systems? If so, let me know.

So let me get this straight, you don't know how to type the word yes or you can't type the word no????

So either you really don't know the answer or are dodging the question or are afraid to answer a yes or no question.

And SOME RIGHT RINGER CALLS ME A FENCE SITTER LOL???

eace

presluc · Jul 27, 2017

Fishking said:
I don't know what point you're trying to make. Trump is the best thing that could have ever happened for the failing Democrat party. They don't have anything actually working for them but Trump's character failings are so bad that the Democrats will bounce back without changing the fact that their entire ideology is cancer.[/QUOTE

The Democrats don't have to do anything except watch twitter and wait for more bad news for Trump and watch as Trump and the Republicans slowly slide down hill and print the words Republicans FAIL AGAIN.eace

presluc · Jul 27, 2017

Moderate Right said:
The trouble is, your only definition of "good" is how many people are covered. Republicans want to give Americans back their right not to purchase health insurance if they don't want to. This will cause many to take advantage of their right not to buy health insurance if they don't want to.

Well according to statistics 24 million won't be able to buy insurance if they wanted to.

eace

presluc · Jul 27, 2017

ocean515 said:
No they don't. The Dems already came up with a plan and made it the law of the land.

They may have an obligation to try to fix the mess the Dems created, since that has been a campaign issue, but that means nothing.

How many campaign promises do politicians actually keep?

So if the occupants of Congress come up with something to fix the mess the Dems created, you want it to centered on the operative word, "GOOD".

So, define "GOOD".

Well ya can't please everybody so if it were me "hypothetical of course" I would try to please the majority of American people.
Tell me again just who is the majority of Americans"class wise" in America today??

eace

Moderate Right · Jul 27, 2017

presluc said:
Well according to statistics 24 million won't be able to buy insurance if they wanted to.eace

Are you talking about Obamacare, where there may be several places that have zero insurers offering insurance? Other than that very real possibility, anyone who wants to buy insurance can buy insurance.

Kobie · Jul 27, 2017

Fishking said:
I don't know what point you're trying to make. Trump is the best thing that could have ever happened for the failing Democrat party. They don't have anything actually working for them but Trump's character failings are so bad that the Democrats will bounce back without changing the fact that their entire ideology is cancer.

It's garbage like this that makes you impossible to take seriously. What unbridled hackery.

Moderate Right · Jul 27, 2017

Kobie said:
It's garbage like this that makes you impossible to take seriously. What unbridled hackery.

No one posts more garbage than you do. It makes it impossible to take anything you say seriously. What unbridled hackery.

Kobie · Jul 27, 2017

Moderate Right said:
No one posts more garbage than you do. It makes it impossible to take anything you say seriously. What unbridled hackery.

Ooooh, sick burn.

Moderate Right · Jul 27, 2017

Kobie said:
Ooooh, sick burn.

More unbridled hackery.

Fishking · Jul 27, 2017

presluc said:
So let me get this straight, you don't know how to type the word yes or you can't type the word no????

So either you really don't know the answer or are dodging the question or are afraid to answer a yes or no question.

And SOME RIGHT RINGER CALLS ME A FENCE SITTER LOL???eace

No. I do not know the answer. I made that really clear. What's confusing to you? Again, have you personally seen the evidence? If so, can I see what you have? Further...did I miss an election system? If so, please let me know.