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Will the right wing blame game work this time?

Gonzo Rodeo said:
Again, the Democrats promised single-payer, yet "settled" for corporatist Obamacare because they couldn't unite under their own supermajority....

...and as we all remember, that was the "obstructionist", part of No" Republicans.

Remember?

What, I wonder, is different? Democrats are going to say no, and that is AGAIN the Republicans fault according to the Democrats?

Sure. It's the Republicans fault. Don't worry, nobody remembers the Democrats blaming them for the last 8 years as well.
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Single payer was on the table, not promised. It didn't happen because of Democrats, not Republicans, who couldn't all sign off on it. Unfortunately.
 
hanger4 said:
Sure they can, they can filibuster legislation.
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Not via reconciliation which is how the Senate would pass the bill if only they had to ability to legislate in the first place.
 
Mycroft said:
The Democrats already drove the car into the ditch. The Republicans are pretending at trying to get it out. The Democrats are just standing around trying to say it's all the Republican's fault.

Much as you are.
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Silly boy. Are you really going to tell me that Mitch McConnell would have allowed Democrats to fix Obamacare? Democrats weren't going to use the tax cut ruse to get out of a filibuster and the Republican house would never have gone along. The Democrats lost their majorities before Obamacare even took effect, so it didn't need to be fixed when they held the reins.
 
vegas giants said:
Well the car is in the ditch. I guess the gop is helpless
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No, they are not helpless. They want the car in the ditch...just like the Democrats want it in the ditch. They all answer to the same money men. They all do their bidding.

You really should dispense with the "Party politics"...Republican against Democrats. That's the way they want you to act while they continue to pretend they are trying so hard but just can't get the car out.
 
Mycroft said:
No, they are not helpless. They want the car in the ditch...just like the Democrats want it in the ditch. They all answer to the same money men. They all do their bidding.

You really should dispense with the "Party politics"...Republican against Democrats. That's the way they want you to act while they continue to pretend they are trying so hard but just can't get the car out.
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Feel free to vote for your candidate for the Spaceman party If you like. We have two choices in this country
 
eohrnberger said:
Simple Google search.


So who, exactly, is setting these limits in Medicare? Is this not control being exerted over you and your choices?
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How exactly, is it worse to be limited by Medicare than a private insurance company. Last time I looked, they were the ones who would cut you off.
 
lurchadams said:
The GOP has been boasting for 7 years how they were going to repeal and replace Obamacare.

Trump boasted several times during his campaign how easy it was going to be on "day one" to repeal and replace the ACA with "healthcare that was going to cover everyone at a cheaper cost and that it would be easy".

During 2017 the Democrats have been shut out by the GOP from all hearings or from any opportunity to offer amendments by the GOP.

When faced with the responsibility to actually put their money where their mouth is and legislate, the GOP have proven themselves to be impotent and Trump has proven his inability to lead his adopted party.

Your intellectual dishonesty and disconnection to reality is downright pathetic.
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Yes...the Congressional GOP have been boasting for 7 years...when they knew it could never happen. But as soon as Trump got elected, they knew it COULD happen. Unfortunately for the people who elected Trump, the Congressional GOP is forced to con them into thinking they STILL want to end Obamacare...but they just can't seem to get it done. No...they don't WANT to end Obamacare or they would have had the repeal bill on Trump's desk the day he was inaugurated.

The Democrats have made NO effort to suggest fixes. They are content to stand on the sidelines and pretend it's all the Republican's fault.
 
lurchadams said:
Not via reconciliation which is how the Senate would pass the bill if only they had to ability to legislate in the first place.
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Seems to be a number of posters needing to catch up;


hanger4 said:
Thanks

It was your "new rule" that confused me. The no filibuster on budget reconciliation was set forth in the 1974 Congressional Budget Act about 43 years ago.
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^^ Page 3 if I remember correctly.
 
vegas giants said:
Feel free to vote for your candidate for the Spaceman party If you like. We have two choices in this country
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LOL!!

You THINK you have two choices. No, all you have is one part of the Uniparty labeled Republican and one part labeled Democrat. Either choice gets you the same thing.
 
Mycroft said:
The tax cuts are a necessary part of tax reform...not because anyone is a "meanie". However, since the Congressional GOP have no intention of enacting tax reform, let not your heart be troubled. Now...where are the Democrat Party suggestions for fixing the Marketplace? Bipartisan means both Parties. The Democrats don't seem concerned...except to try to blame the Republican for not fixing their crap.

Just be honest when responding to my posts. Address the points in my posts. You trying to turn it back around against the Republicans just proves my point.
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Tim Kaine has a bill to use reinsurance to bring down premiums in the Marketplace. I agree that Democrats need to be more assertive in publicizing their ideas.
 
Mycroft said:
LOL!!

You THINK you have two choices. No, all you have is one part of the Uniparty labeled Republican and one part labeled Democrat. Either choice gets you the same thing.
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I hear Canada is nice. Be sure to write
 
bearpoker said:
Silly boy. Are you really going to tell me that Mitch McConnell would have allowed Democrats to fix Obamacare? Democrats weren't going to use the tax cut ruse to get out of a filibuster and the Republican house would never have gone along. The Democrats lost their majorities before Obamacare even took effect, so it didn't need to be fixed when they held the reins.
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He doesn't want them to fix it anymore than they want to fix it.

Both Parties are blowing smoke and you are sucking it up.
 
bearpoker said:
I just took hanger at his word; that's not a bad thing. It doesn't offend me to be asked to substantiate my statements. If he was playing dumb and took me in, I really don't care.
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Wasn't playing dumb and not taking you in. It's just, as I said, to me a new rule ain't 43 years old.
 
vegas giants said:
I hear Canada is nice. Be sure to write
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Now you are just being irritating. Have you lost your ability to present arguments already? I was just getting warmed up.

LOL!!
 
Mycroft said:
Now you are just being irritating. Have you lost your ability to present arguments already? I was just getting warmed up.

LOL!!
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Look if you don't like our system I was suggesting you try another one
 
Mycroft said:
Yes...the Congressional GOP have been boasting for 7 years...when they knew it could never happen. But as soon as Trump got elected, they knew it COULD happen. Unfortunately for the people who elected Trump, the Congressional GOP is forced to con them into thinking they STILL want to end Obamacare...but they just can't seem to get it done. No...they don't WANT to end Obamacare or they would have had the repeal bill on Trump's desk the day he was inaugurated.

The Democrats have made NO effort to suggest fixes. They are content to stand on the sidelines and pretend it's all the Republican's fault.
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you must have missed my post about Tim Kaine's bill to use reinsurance to bring down premiums in the market place. That's a suggestion for a fix. I'm sure there are others. All we need is for Republicans and Democrats to work together and get this fixed. It's even all right with me if Republicans take credit and tell their base they repealed Obamacare care. They can call it Trumpcare or God's Gift to Healthcare Together with Upright Republican Christian Trumpcare. I don't give a **** who gets the credit.
 
Gonzo Rodeo said:
Again, the Democrats promised single-payer, yet "settled" for corporatist Obamacare because they couldn't unite under their own supermajority....

...and as we all remember, that was the "obstructionist", part of No" Republicans.

Remember?

What, I wonder, is different? Democrats are going to say no, and that is AGAIN the Republicans fault according to the Democrats?

Sure. It's the Republicans fault. Don't worry, nobody remembers the Democrats blaming them for the last 8 years as well.
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Obama "settled" for the ACA because that is what he campaigned on. Remember? Obama did not campaign on single payer, knucklehead.
Because he knew how hard reform is he got the insurers and pharma on board before the bill was even introduced and even still it was not easy to get passed. Now no one wants to live without it.
But that is how you govern successfully in case you also have forgotten. You just can't puff up and crow like Trump does to get things done.
But his is just the start of the GOP's problems, the debt ceiling needs to be raised by October, the House GOP budget is full of draconian cuts for social programs (including Medicare and SS) that will not please the moderates in the Senate either. The party of No will live on until we boot them out in 2018 I'm afraid.
 
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hanger4 said:
Wasn't playing dumb and not taking you in. It's just, as I said, to me a new rule ain't 43 years old.
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I didn't think you were, hanger. Note the word "if". I'm glad to meet a fellow baby boomer. :thumbs:
 
bearpoker said:
Republicans will blame everything on the Democrats because that's the only thing they know how do do. Their skill set is very limited. Poor babies. It will work with their base because they believe everything the right wing media tells them. It won't work with the rest of us. That's why the Republicans would really like to fix things so that only their base gets to vote.
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The GOP has the majority in both houses, and Trump won the WH AND we have 14 new GOP Governors all since 2010 not because of GOP blame.

Had ObamaCare actually done what the Dems said it would do no amount of GOP criticism would have made any difference.

If the economy had ever recovered no amount of GOP blame would had made a difference primarily because the GOP base alone couldnt produce all those wins.

The Democrats need to take responsibilkity for their staggering losses and for ONCE offer up some policy based messaging instead of focusing on this Russian lunacy, if the ever want to win another election.

If they dont, its fine by me
 
bearpoker said:
I just wish they had the super powers the Republicans ascribe to them. Wouldn't that be cool?:cool:
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After the GOP obstruction over the last 8 years, which led to their election victories beginning in 2010, the nothing burger being served up by the GOP infighting 'within the house', 'within the senate', and between the two chambers is quite delicious .
 
Fenton said:
The GOP has the majority in both houses, and Trump won the WH AND we have 14 new GOP Governors all since 2010 not because of GOP blame.

Had ObamaCare actually done what the Dems said it would do no amount of GOP criticism would have made any difference.

If the economy had ever recovered no amount of GOP blame would had made a difference primarily because the GOP base alone couldnt produce all those wins.

The Democrats need to take responsibilkity for their staggering losses and for ONCE offer up some policy based messaging instead of focusing on this Russian lunacy, if the ever want to win another election.

If they dont, its fine by me
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Yea, I want them to focus on healthcare instead too. Let Mueller do his job. Meantime, I'll watch the T-man crash and burn. He never disappoints.:popcorn2:
 
bearpoker said:
How exactly, is it worse to be limited by Medicare than a private insurance company. Last time I looked, they were the ones who would cut you off.
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As would Medicare, as I believe I've shown.

From what I understand, anything you save in an HSA is completely up to your discretion as to how to spend it. No one else controls or limits that.
 
NIMBY said:
After the GOP obstruction over the last 8 years, which led to their election victories beginning in 2010, the nothing burger being served up by the GOP infighting 'within the house', 'within the senate', and between the two chambers is quite delicious .
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Sweet! Have some marshmallows.
 
Fenton said:
The GOP has the majority in both houses, and Trump won the WH AND we have 14 new GOP Governors all since 2010 not because of GOP blame.

Had ObamaCare actually done what the Dems said it would do no amount of GOP criticism would have made any difference.

If the economy had ever recovered no amount of GOP blame would had made a difference primarily because the GOP base alone couldnt produce all those wins.

The Democrats need to take responsibilkity for their staggering losses and for ONCE offer up some policy based messaging instead of focusing on this Russian lunacy, if the ever want to win another election.

If they dont, its fine by me
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What policy based messaging did the GOP do during their last 7 years of just say no? Apparently the GOP hasn't figured out how to just say yes yet.

And GOP house members are pissed at the GOP senate for dropping the ball after they fell on the sword for trump, only to be back-stabbed by trump .
 
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