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Who was the real Kremlin Kandidate in the 2016 presidential election?

Mac77 said:
And bernie is a lifelong russian sympathizer
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Trump has been a Russia sympathizer since at least the 1980's. In 1987, Soviet Ambassador Yuri Dubinin flew Trump to Moscow—all expenses paid—to discuss building a luxury hotel across from the Kremlin. Trump has sold numerous condos (anonymous purchases) in Trump Towers (NYC/Miami) to Russians, but no one lives in them. The USDoJ has suspicions that the purchases are strictly a means to launder Russian mob money. Over the past three decades, at least 13 people with known or alleged links to Russian mobsters or oligarchs have owned, lived in, and even run criminal activities out of Trump Tower and other Trump properties. Many used his apartments and casinos to launder untold millions in dirty money. “Russians make up a pretty disproportionate cross section of a lot of our assets,” Donald Trump Jr. boasted at a real estate conference in 2008. “We see a lot of money pouring in from Russia.” Russian mobster and oligarch purchases saved Trumps bacon when his casinos failed and no bank would lend him more money (numerous bankruptcies/high risk).

There are reasons why Trump is concealing his tax returns and has refused to allow a bona-fide trust manager to manage the Trump Organization empire until Trumps term expires.
 
joG said:
Of the three I see none that would have been bad for Putin's war on us. Possibly Clinton would have been more active, but I suspect that the information Russia holds on her would be sufficient to have laid her lame. Sanders would have been a real problem to the US and domestic politics would have removed the country from sensible foreign activities. Our selection of front runners was so pathetic, that it is astounding that we could have scrapped the barrel so deep.
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If it were a 3-way coin toss for putin why bother?

Most of the alleged russian tampering occured during the democrat party primary season and that means bernie sanders was on both sides of the coin not donald trump
 
Rogue Valley said:
Trump has been a Russia sympathizer since at least the 1980's. In 1987, Soviet Ambassador Yuri Dubinin flew Trump to Moscow—all expenses paid—to discuss building a luxury hotel across from the Kremlin. Trump has sold numerous condos (anonymous purchases) in Trump Towers (NYC/Miami) to Russians, but no one lives in them. The USDoJ has suspicions that the purchases are strictly a means to launder Russian mob money. Over the past three decades, at least 13 people with known or alleged links to Russian mobsters or oligarchs have owned, lived in, and even run criminal activities out of Trump Tower and other Trump properties. Many used his apartments and casinos to launder untold millions in dirty money. “Russians make up a pretty disproportionate cross section of a lot of our assets,” Donald Trump Jr. boasted at a real estate conference in 2008. “We see a lot of money pouring in from Russia.” Russian mobster and oligarch purchases saved Trumps bacon when his casinos failed and no bank would lend him more money (numerous bankruptcies/high risk).

There are reasons why Trump is concealing his tax returns and has refused to allow a bona-fide trust manager to manage the Trump Organization empire until Trumps term expires.
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You are talking business not politics

Trump never displayed a love of the soviet communist system the way bernie sanders did
 
Mac77 said:
Ivanka grew up in a country that was under the thumb of russian communist imperialism

Learning russian was a survival tool
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Yugoslavia was notoriously independent for a communist state, to the point where it was an open question whether they would even get involved in the case of a Third World War.
 
Tigerace117 said:
Yugoslavia was notoriously independent for a communist state, to the point where it was an open question whether they would even get involved in the case of a Third World War.
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I will have to look it up but I think she is Czech

Remember the Prague Spring revolution?
 
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Rogue Valley said:
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Trump and his Russia-speaking first wife Ivanka in St. Petersburg, Russia circa 1987.

Putin's homwtown.
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Ivana is the ex wife, Ivanka is the daughter. It's easy to get the two confused for reasons I'd rather not discuss.
(see - Woody Allen)
 
Mac77 said:
The leftwing in this country are dividing and damaging America which is good for putin and russia
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It contradicts nothing other than reality. Remember, a Republican Party member he himself said that the RP is the political party of the dumb.
 
Glowpun said:
It contradicts nothing other than reality. Remember, a Republican Party member he himself said that the RP is the political party of the dumb.
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And democrats are smart?

Don't make me laugh

We have dumb republican leaders in congress but democrat voters are too stupid to fill out a paper ballot without screwing up
 
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Mac77 said:
Not at all implausable

Most of the damage to hillary came during the democrat primary season when it could only benefit bernie sanders
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You know, you do have a point.

Can't wait to read the reaction to it from the alt-left crowd here.

:rock
 
ocean515 said:
You know, you do have a point.

Can't wait to read the reaction to it from the alt-left crowd here.

:rock
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There will be no reaction

Liberals are parroting the bs that they hear on CNN or MSNBC and do not think for themselves
 
Mac77 said:
If it were a 3-way coin toss for putin why bother?

Most of the alleged russian tampering occured during the democrat party primary season and that means bernie sanders was on both sides of the coin not donald trump
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Though, I believe the tampering is older and much more widely spread, goes deeper.
 
joG said:
Though, I believe the tampering is older and much more widely spread, goes deeper.
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What is tampering?

If they russians try to persuade voters to vote for candidate A instead of B they have a legall right to do so

All they have to do is log on to the internet and become members of this forum to do that.
 
Mac77 said:
What is tampering?

If they russians try to persuade voters to vote for candidate A instead of B they have a legall right to do so

All they have to do is log on to the internet and become members of this forum to do that.
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I tend to think the same way. RT is legitimate, if it is legitimate for governments to have propaganda media. That is something that one could discuss.

The tampering goes further though and almost certainly is involved in the wikileaks connected and other intelligence and espionage sourced information leaks. Oh, the tampering is continuous and highly damaging
 
joG said:
I tend to think the same way. RT is legitimate, if it is legitimate for governments to have propaganda media. That is something that one could discuss.

The tampering goes further though and almost certainly is involved in the wikileaks connected and other intelligence and espionage sourced information leaks. Oh, the tampering is continuous and highly damaging
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It appears to me that the wikkileaks dump was an inside job by a bernie sanders supporter at the DNC

Seth Rich, who was later murdered by persons unknown but who were probabaly working for the clintons

But for all of those on the left who are convinced that the russians did it and are responsible for other hacks I would ask them to deny that hillary's private email server must have been hacked by the russians and many other hositile countriues too while she was sec of state

If so she belongs in jail
 
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