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85% of Republicans...

CriticalThought said:
I am not talking about other people or even who voted for him. I am speaking about the 85% of Republicans who support him now, despite everything that has happened.
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I am an independent who voted for Trump. And so far I do not regret my vote. What are those events that you speak of that should turn me against him? So far, he is picking up where Ronald Reagan left off. I could care less about the personality quirks that drive the libruls mad.
 
calamity said:
lol...what did he leak? Oh yeah, his own memo. You fell for spin, Sling. :lol:
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That was government property. Not his own personal property.
 
CriticalThought said:
If you have a better brand of Kool Aid to sell, let us hear it.
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Republicans overwhelming chose Trump to be their Primary candidate, and they're overwhelmingly supporting him now in spite of everything that's happening. There is no reaching these people. I'm done "studying" them.

However, there is entire untapped resource of voters to tap into who might vote for left leaning candidates in 2018. They're called liberals and they're a majority of the country. So if you're looking for something you can do, tell everybody on Facebook where their polling stations are located, who the candidates are, post maps of their districts...leave nothing to ambiguity. Rent a school bus and pick up voters and take them to vote with you.

We got our ass kicked in November not because there are more Republicans than Democrats, but because Republicans were more driven than Democrats. And in spite of that we still won the popular vote by three million.
 
Cardinal said:
Republicans overwhelming chose Trump to be their Primary candidate, and they're overwhelmingly supporting him now in spite of everything that's happening. There is no reaching these people. I'm done "studying" them.

However, there is entire untapped resource of voters to tap into who might vote for left leaning candidates in 2018. They're called liberals and they're a majority of the country. So if you're looking for something you can do, tell everybody on Facebook where their polling stations are located, who the candidates are, post maps of their districts...leave nothing to ambiguity. Rent a school bus and pick up voters and take them to vote with you.

We got our ass kicked in November not because there are more Republicans than Democrats, but because Republicans were more driven than Democrats. And in spite of that we still won the popular vote by three million.
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I don't think so.

US Conservatives Outnumber Liberals by Narrowing Margin | Gallup
 
Zyphlin said:
But you made more than just the 85% claim; you made this claim as well:



Do you have evidence to suggest that those 85% "support the phenomenon that is Trump" rather than supporting him because he isn't hillary, is a Republican, or another alternative...that they approve of the majority of the actual policy and executive action he has undertaken, even if they dislike the vast majority of the things he's doing beyond his role as the President?

For example, in another thread it was asked our thoughts on the Trump Presidency and what he's done. My take was that I'm mildly positive on it, having a few things I'm VERY unhappy about and a number of things I'm anywhere between happy and very happy about. I hate pretty much EVERYTHING Trump does that isn't directly related to his role as president...from his idiotic Twitter to his stupid feuds with the media and so on. But in terms of policies he's pushed, executive orders he's undertaken, and official action he's pushed for, I'd probably say I'd be more in the "approve" than "disapprove" camp if I was given only those two options.

Which would put me in that 85%, which according to you, would mean I "genuinely support the phenomenon that is Trump", despite that "phenomenon" portion of him being the thing that I actually dislike and disapprove of the MOST about him.
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The point that most libruls still have not caught onto is that it's not really about Trump. It is about a populist movement involving voters who have pretty much had it with establishment politicians in both parties. Trump merely tapped into it. of the 17 republicans who ran for the GOP nomination, I can pick out at least three others who would likely have tapped into it as well. As for the tweets, while some of them are a bit off the charts, some have been brilliant. For instance when he tweeted at the fired FBI director that "You better hope their are no tapes", it led to Comey not only taking the steam out of the Russian collusion narrative, it implicated "Hussein's" Attorney General Lorretta Lynch interference in the investigation of Hillary's email scandal. Lynch is now on the hot seat. As for Trump attacking the press...it's about time someone did. I am all for a free press, however if they are dishonest, they are fair game. CNN especially is fake news....with MSNBC close behind. And just this morning, FoxNews played a video of "Hussein" Obama trashing the media while overseas in 2015.
 
Moderate Right said:
I don't think so.

US Conservatives Outnumber Liberals by Narrowing Margin | Gallup
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Demonstrably that would seem to be false, but in any case your post is interesting because I was using Gallup, and they're showing Democrats at 30% and Republicans at 26%.

Party Affiliation | Gallup Historical Trends

And the Pew Research shows another lean toward registered Democrats:

"Overall, 48% of all registered voters identify as Democrats or lean Democratic compared with 44% who identify as Republican or lean toward the GOP."

Party affiliation among U.S. voters: 1992-2016 | Pew Research Center

So at this point it's just a matter of whether party registration or political orientation is a more relevant factor going into 2018.
 
Cardinal said:
Demonstrably that would seem to be false, but in any case your post is interesting because I was using Gallup, and they're showing Democrats at 30% and Republicans at 26%.

Party Affiliation | Gallup Historical Trends

And the Pew Research shows another lean toward registered Democrats:

"Overall, 48% of all registered voters identify as Democrats or lean Democratic compared with 44% who identify as Republican or lean toward the GOP."

Party affiliation among U.S. voters: 1992-2016 | Pew Research Center

So at this point it's just a matter of whether party registration or political orientation is a more relevant factor going into 2018.
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The funny thing is both sides claim it is all about getting out the vote of their base when it is people who don't identify themselves as either Democrat or Republican who make up 44% of the electorate. It is Independents who elect the president, not either "base". Getting out the vote of either base means nothing. You make a partisan mistake if you ignore my poll showing that only 25% consider themselves to be liberal while 36% identify themselves as conservative.
 
Moderate Right said:
The funny thing is both sides claim it is all about getting out the vote of their base when it is people who don't identify themselves as either Democrat or Republican who make up 44% of the electorate. It is Independents who elect the president, not either "base". Getting out the vote of either base means nothing. You make a partisan mistake if you ignore my poll showing that only 25% consider themselves to be liberal while 36% identify themselves as conservative.
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Nobody doubts the importance of the "independent voter." But in 2016 there was a serious problem with Democrats getting their base out.

And pointing to your conservative advantage, your poll is dated to January 3rd while my poll is current. Finally, with Trump's job approval rating sitting at 40% (and not budging) there is clearly an independent problem Republicans have going forward.
 
ObamacareFail said:
A sizeable number of democrats in the rust belt states also voted for him.
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That is a myth. The disaffected working class whites he won in those regions generally were not voting in previous election cycles. He won their support because he made them feel less invisible and they rewarded him handily by showing up at the polls. An admirable feat and then he immediately began stabbing them in the back by aligning with the very non local corporate interests that had disparaged their community economies and drove them into an economic destitution of limited prospects. In other words, Trump promised the equivalent of bringing back the Mom and Pops stores in an era of box retail and his uneducated fan base bought into with their nostalgic desperation.
 
CriticalThought said:
That is a myth. The disaffected working class whites he won in those regions generally were not voting in previous election cycles. He won their support because he made them feel less invisible and they rewarded him handily by showing up at the polls. An admirable feat and then he immediately began stabbing them in the back by aligning with the very non local corporate interests that had disparaged their community economies and drove them into an economic destitution of limited prospects. In other words, Trump promised the equivalent of bringing back the Mom and Pops stores in an era of box retail and his uneducated fan base bought into with their nostalgic desperation.
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Yes, we get that arrogant, sanctimonious liberals believe that Trump voters are all uneducated boobs :roll: Yet he won Pennsylvania; he won Ohio, he won Michigan and he won Wisconsin. A feat not done by a republican since Reagan. You just go right ahead and keep believing that idiocy and Trump will do it again in 2020.
 
He won because of middle and lower class working whites by 77K in those four states.

If the AHCA throws them off health care, do you think he can get 80% of the vote he got in 2016? :)
 
JamesBY said:
He won because of middle and lower class working whites by 77K in those four states.

If the AHCA throws them off health care, do you think he can get 80% of the vote he got in 2016? :)
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And Romney lost those states by nearly 1,000,000
 
Fletch said:
Yes, we get that arrogant, sanctimonious liberals believe that Trump voters are all uneducated boobs :roll: Yet he won Pennsylvania; he won Ohio, he won Michigan and he won Wisconsin. A feat not done by a republican since Reagan. You just go right ahead and keep believing that idiocy and Trump will do it again in 2020.
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Where did I say all Trump supporters were uneducated boobs?
 
Cardinal said:
Nobody doubts the importance of the "independent voter." But in 2016 there was a serious problem with Democrats getting their base out.

And pointing to your conservative advantage, your poll is dated to January 3rd while my poll is current. Finally, with Trump's job approval rating sitting at 40% (and not budging) there is clearly an independent problem Republicans have going forward.
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The only reason Trump's job approval rating is as low as it is, is because the Democrat's resistance is at 90%. Both sides should forget their "bases" and convince Independents why they should vote for them. The country is as polarized as it is because both "bases" are digging in. Both sides ignore Independents and concentrate on getting their base out to vote. I'm an independent and liberals don't have my vote because they are too rabid. I watched Democrat West Virginia Senator Joe Manchin on Fox News Sunday a couple of weeks ago and was very impressed. If he runs for president in 2020 (which I haven't heard that he actually even has plans of doing so) he's probably got my vote. He's the first Democrat I have seen in a long time that seems to put his country first and not party rabidness, resistance, and obstruction. He was very refreshing.
 
Moderate Right said:
The only reason Trump's job approval rating is as low as it is, is because the Democrat's resistance is at 90%. Both sides should forget their "bases" and convince Independents why they should vote for them. The country is as polarized as it is because both "bases" are digging in. Both sides ignore Independents and concentrate on getting their base out to vote. I'm an independent and liberals don't have my vote because they are too rabid. I watched Democrat West Virginia Senator Joe Manchin on Fox News Sunday a couple of weeks ago and was very impressed. If he runs for president in 2020 (which I haven't heard that he actually even has plans of doing so) he's probably got my vote. He's the first Democrat I have seen in a long time that seems to put his country first and not party rabidness, resistance, and obstruction. He was very refreshing.
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Maybe his approval rating is low because most of the country has enough sense to know that we are better off aligning ourselves with Germany and France than Russia. After all, has anyone on the Right with hard-ons for Putin actually seen how Russians live? Trust me, they'd rather live in Germany or France than anywhere in ****ing Russia.
 
Moderate Right said:
The only reason Trump's job approval rating is as low as it is, is because the Democrat's resistance is at 90%.
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If we accept Gallup's latest poll showing that Democrats are 30% and Republicans are 26% (and I see no reason not to), then you have about 14% of independents going to Trump and 30% of independents going against him. No matter which math you want to use, you've got an independent problem.

Both sides should forget their "bases" and convince Independents why they should vote for them. The country is as polarized as it is because both "bases" are digging in. Both sides ignore Independents and concentrate on getting their base out to vote. I'm an independent
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And I'm Elon Musk. Nice to meet you.

Moderate Right said:
and liberals don't have my vote because they are too rabid. I watched Democrat West Virginia Senator Joe Manchin on Fox News Sunday a couple of weeks ago and was very impressed. If he runs for president in 2020 (which I haven't heard that he actually even has plans of doing so) he's probably got my vote. He's the first Democrat I have seen in a long time that seems to put his country first and not party rabidness, resistance, and obstruction. He was very refreshing.
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calamity said:
Maybe his approval rating is low because most of the country has enough sense to know that we are better off aligning ourselves with Germany and France than Russia. After all, has anyone on the Right with hard-ons for Putin actually seen how Russians live? Trust me, they'd rather live in Germany or France than anywhere in ****ing Russia.
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His approval rating is low because the Democratic resistance is in full force at 90%.
 
CriticalThought said:
...support Trump.

Trump's approval rating balanced out at about 40%, and if you have any memory of what has occurred since November, you see how intractable that the 85% of Republicans who support him are. Trump did a remarkable job of making himself seem like the only alternative to a corrupt media, the swampy establishment elite, and Hillary Clinton. He also jingles the authoritarian bells every chance he gets. But even now that Trump proves to be many of the things he railed against on the campaign trail, his ratings no longer wane.

The purpose of this thread is the study of the 85%. This is not a group that supports Trump just because he isn't Hillary or because he is a Republican. They genuinely support the phenomenon that is Trump. Nothing he says will change that and they will change their positions on everything as quickly as he can tweet a view that contradicts something he once said. What makes these people tick?
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Do we compare favorable views of Trump or his job approval which can be two different things. I have a negative view or unfavorable opinion of Donald Trump. But outside of his AHCA proposals or what he has or hasn't done, I have no problem with the job he has done.

Donald Trump is viewed favorably by 78% of Republicans, 39% of Independents and 10% of Democrats. All men give Trump a 46% favorable vs 34% for women. Definitely a gender gap here. Whites as a whole have a 48% favorable vs. only 14% for blacks, 21% for Hispanics and 34% Asian.

What about Obama in July of 2009? 81% of Democrats viewed him favorably, almost the same percentage of Republicans that view Trump favorably today. 16% of Republican had a favorable view of Obama, 6 points higher than Democrats view Trump. The biggest difference is with independents which 55% viewed Obama favorably vs. 39% for Trump. But as for the two parties disliking the other party's president, that is about the same.

Whites gave Obama a 46% favorable, only two points lower than Trump's. Blacks gave Obama a 96% favorable, Hispanics 79%, Asians were not listed for Obama. At this juncture in their presidential terms one can say whites viewed each president the same, it is minorities who really are driving down Trump's overall favorables.

Republicans didn't like Obama, but like Trump. Democrats liked Obama and don't like Trump. That should be expected. Partisan politics. To expect something different is surely naive. Now if I were Trump and a Republican I wouldn't be worried about what Democrats think, but I sure would be worried about the independents. Obama's favorable rating in November of 2010 was down to 39% among independents and they voted solidly Republican to the tune of 57% to 41% in the congressional midterm election which caused the Democrats to lose 63 seats. That 39% is the same percentage Trump has today among independents.

I would say keep in mind these approval and favorable ratings are dynamic and change all the time. November of 2010, Obama had 39% favorable among independents, 80% favorable among Democrats, 8% among Republicans. One wouldn't expect Democrats to abandon Obama, one shouldn't expect Republicans to abandon Trump. Partisan politics.

I would throw out what Republicans and Democrats think and concentrate on independents. After all independents make up 42% of the total electorate vs. 30% for Democrats and 27% for Republicans.
 
Moderate Right said:
His approval rating is low because the Democratic resistance is in full force at 90%.
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False. His approval rating is low because he is too dumb to delete his Twitter account and start acting presidential.
 
calamity said:
False. His approval rating is low because he is too dumb to delete his Twitter account and start acting presidential.
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Cardinal or someone posted a link showing that only 10% of Democrats support Trump. The other 90% are the resistance. This is a level never seen before in polling but all it measures is the resistance on the Democratic side. Overall, it just means that liberals have gone rabid and can't accept their loss gracefully and therefore have formed more resistance to a president than there has ever been. Personally, I love it and find it hilarious. I could care less how rabid Democrats poll out on the issue.
 
ModerateRight is complaining about Democrats being at 90% resistance when only 85% of GOP support Trump.

Think this through, fellow board members.

The reason why Trump is stumbling is voter remorse.
 
CriticalThought said:
...support Trump.

Trump's approval rating balanced out at about 40%, and if you have any memory of what has occurred since November, you see how intractable that the 85% of Republicans who support him are. Trump did a remarkable job of making himself seem like the only alternative to a corrupt media, the swampy establishment elite, and Hillary Clinton. He also jingles the authoritarian bells every chance he gets. But even now that Trump proves to be many of the things he railed against on the campaign trail, his ratings no longer wane.

The purpose of this thread is the study of the 85%. This is not a group that supports Trump just because he isn't Hillary or because he is a Republican. They genuinely support the phenomenon that is Trump. Nothing he says will change that and they will change their positions on everything as quickly as he can tweet a view that contradicts something he once said. What makes these people tick?
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We are first and foremost and industrial country, and we are decidedly one that prefers the less federal involvement in our lives the better.
 
Moderate Right said:
Cardinal or someone posted a link showing that only 10% of Democrats support Trump. The other 90% are the resistance. This is a level never seen before in polling but all it measures is the resistance on the Democratic side. Overall, it just means that liberals have gone rabid and can't accept their loss gracefully and therefore have formed more resistance to a president than there has ever been. Personally, I love it and find it hilarious. I could care less how rabid Democrats poll out on the issue.
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Were you not paying attention during the Obama years when 90% of Republicans were resisting him?
 
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