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85% of Republicans...

Define "support".


Still find him preferable to Hillary? Oh hail yes.


Support much but not all of what he's actually done so far? Yeah, I suppose.


Think he's a great president? Hail no. I *never* thought that would be the case. There were no good choices this time. Made the best of a bad menu.
 
CriticalThought said:
Feel free to post your evidence that Obama voters voted for Trump.
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Just How Many Obama 2012-Trump 2016 Voters Were There? - Rasmussen Reportsâ„¢

"Conclusion
Different sources offer varying estimates of Obama 2012-Trump 2016 voters. The ANES found that about 13% of all Trump voters cast a ballot for Obama in 2012. Meanwhile, the CCES found a slightly smaller figure of around 11%. Lastly, the UVA Center for Politics poll found that about 15% of Trump voters claimed to have backed Obama four years earlier. Using these percentages (not rounded) and Trump’s overall 2016 vote total, estimates of the raw number of such Obama-Trump voters range from about 6.7 million to 9.2 million. That’s a wide range, and considering the caveats regarding voter recall of past votes, it is important to be clear about the relative uncertainty of these figures.

Nonetheless, these surveys offer additional evidence about a critical part of the 2016 equation: the millions of voters who switched from Obama in 2012 to Trump in 2016. Given the extremely close margins in some states, particularly the Rust Belt trio of Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin, these voters played a crucial role in handing over the White House to the GOP."
 
ObamacareFail said:
Just How Many Obama 2012-Trump 2016 Voters Were There? - Rasmussen Reportsâ„¢

"Conclusion
Different sources offer varying estimates of Obama 2012-Trump 2016 voters. The ANES found that about 13% of all Trump voters cast a ballot for Obama in 2012. Meanwhile, the CCES found a slightly smaller figure of around 11%. Lastly, the UVA Center for Politics poll found that about 15% of Trump voters claimed to have backed Obama four years earlier. Using these percentages (not rounded) and Trump’s overall 2016 vote total, estimates of the raw number of such Obama-Trump voters range from about 6.7 million to 9.2 million. That’s a wide range, and considering the caveats regarding voter recall of past votes, it is important to be clear about the relative uncertainty of these figures.

Nonetheless, these surveys offer additional evidence about a critical part of the 2016 equation: the millions of voters who switched from Obama in 2012 to Trump in 2016. Given the extremely close margins in some states, particularly the Rust Belt trio of Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin, these voters played a crucial role in handing over the White House to the GOP."
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Well touche.
 
ObamacareFail said:
Nice attempt at walking back a statement when confronted with your own words/
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A good share of my friends are uneducated but extremely intelligent. Not everyone chooses to go into schooling beyond high school. You are attributing your own negative views on the term "unedcated".
 
CriticalThought said:
A good share of my friends are uneducated but extremely intelligent. Not everyone chooses to go into schooling beyond high school. You are attributing your own negative views on the term "unedcated".
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That's "uneducated", not "unedcated". :doh And it was you giving the term a negative connotation, not me.
 
ObamacareFail said:
That's "uneducated", not "unedcated". :doh And it was you giving the term a negative connotation, not me.
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I can only control how I type it, not how you choose to read it. You should know by now I hate Trump supporters, but I have nothing against the uneducated.
 
Goshin said:
Define "support".

Still find him preferable to Hillary? Oh hail yes.

Support much but not all of what he's actually done so far? Yeah, I suppose.

Think he's a great president? Hail no. I *never* thought that would be the case. There were no good choices this time. Made the best of a bad menu.
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It's a testament to how much of a curve people are grading him on that one has to replace "Trump" with "Clinton" in every story in order to remember how completely absurd everything is.

Hillary Clinton...bragged about grabbing men's cocks.
Hillary Clinton...spent her campaign fighting for single payer healthcare, then let Congress write a bill that cut medicaid and the ten essential health benefits instead.
Hillary Clinton...refuses to show her tax returns and uses the White House to profit off the presidency.
Hillary Clinton...tweeted a gif showing her body slamming a member of Fox News.
Hillary Clinton...insisted on having a meeting with Russians without the US Press, during which she gave them classified information shared to us by Israel, thus causing Israel to create a lockdown on sensitive information shared with us in the future.
Hillary Clinton...browbeat NATO and refused to stand by article 5.
Hillary Clinton...made 744 false or misleading statements since being inaugurated.
Hillary Clinton...funneled children's charities into her golf course.
Hillary Clinton's family...used the State Department website to sell their company's products.
Hillary Clinton...accused a prior president of crimes without evidence
Hillary Clinton...uses every day to brag about her election victory.
Hillary Clinton...calls the media "the enemy of the people."
Hillary Clinton...accused five million people of voting illegally without any evidence.
Hillary Clinton...watches the news all day long, yells at the tv and golfs every weekend.

It's only when one does that is a relatively normal human being who's become overwhelmed and desensitized by the news able to say, "Ohhhhhh....yeah, that's right. I remember now. This is totally ****ing insane."

I know it's posts like these that make people hate the kind of debater I've turned into, but these are completely insane times, and I'm going to point out how not normal all of this is now and again.
 
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Cardinal said:
It's a testament to how much of a curve people are grading him on that one has to replace "Trump" with "Clinton" in every story in order to remember how completely absurd everything is.

Hillary Clinton...bragged about grabbing men's cocks.
Hillary Clinton...spent her campaign fighting for single payer healthcare, then let Congress write a bill that cut medicaid and the ten essential health benefits instead.
Hillary Clinton...refuses to show her tax returns and uses the White House to profit off the presidency.
Hillary Clinton...tweeted a gif showing her body slamming a member of Fox News.
Hillary Clinton...insisted on having a meeting with Russians without the US Press, during which she gave them classified information shared to us by Israel, thus causing Israel to create a lockdown on sensitive information shared with us in the future.
Hillary Clinton...browbeat NATO and refused to stand by article 5.
Hillary Clinton...made 744 false or misleading statements since being inaugurated.
Hillary Clinton...funneled children's charities into her golf course.
Hillary Clinton's family...used the State Department website to sell their company's products.
Hillary Clinton...accused a prior president of crimes without evidence
Hillary Clinton...uses every day to brag about her election victory.
Hillary Clinton...calls the media "the enemy of the people."
Hillary Clinton...accused five million people of voting illegally without any evidence.
Hillary Clinton...watches the news all day long, yells at the tv and golfs every weekend.

It's only when one does that is a relatively normal human being who's overwhelmed and desensitized by the news able to say, "Ohhhhhh....yeah, that's right. I remember now. This is totally ****ing insane."

I know it's posts like these that make people hate the kind of debater I've turned into, but these are completely insane times, and I'm going to point out how not normal all of this is now and again.
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I guess some people are cursed to continue to point out the absurdities of this administration
 
CriticalThought said:
I can only control how I type it, not how you choose to read it. You should know by now I hate Trump supporters, but I have nothing against the uneducated.
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I have nothing against the so-called uneducated either. I have seen non-college educated people test on the same level as college educated. As for hating Trump supporters, that's highly irrational. I strongly disagree with Hillary supporters, however I do not waste such a powerful emotion as hatred them. With few exceptions, I do not even dislike them.
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
I guess some people are cursed to continue to point out the absurdities of this administration
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Damn, I left out

Hillary Clinton...is under investigation by an Independent Counsel for collusion with Russia, her campaign is under FBI investigation for the same, and two Congressional committees are investigating Russian election meddling that handed the election to Clinton.

That was not an intentional omission.
 
Cardinal said:
Damn, I left out

Hillary Clinton...is under investigation by an Independent Counsel for collusion with Russia, her campaign is under FBI investigation for the same, and two Congressional committees are investigating Russian election meddling that handed the election to Clinton.

That was not an intentional omission.
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Hillary's upset because Trump bested her at her own game.
 
CriticalThought said:
...support Trump.

Trump's approval rating balanced out at about 40%, and if you have any memory of what has occurred since November, you see how intractable that the 85% of Republicans who support him are. Trump did a remarkable job of making himself seem like the only alternative to a corrupt media, the swampy establishment elite, and Hillary Clinton. He also jingles the authoritarian bells every chance he gets. But even now that Trump proves to be many of the things he railed against on the campaign trail, his ratings no longer wane.

The purpose of this thread is the study of the 85%. This is not a group that supports Trump just because he isn't Hillary or because he is a Republican. They genuinely support the phenomenon that is Trump. Nothing he says will change that and they will change their positions on everything as quickly as he can tweet a view that contradicts something he once said. What makes these people tick?
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Eh. I think you're conflating a lot of Tribalism with policies, here.

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CriticalThought said:
...support Trump.

Trump's approval rating balanced out at about 40%, and if you have any memory of what has occurred since November, you see how intractable that the 85% of Republicans who support him are. Trump did a remarkable job of making himself seem like the only alternative to a corrupt media, the swampy establishment elite, and Hillary Clinton. He also jingles the authoritarian bells every chance he gets. But even now that Trump proves to be many of the things he railed against on the campaign trail, his ratings no longer wane.

The purpose of this thread is the study of the 85%. This is not a group that supports Trump just because he isn't Hillary or because he is a Republican. They genuinely support the phenomenon that is Trump. Nothing he says will change that and they will change their positions on everything as quickly as he can tweet a view that contradicts something he once said. What makes these people tick?
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Trump's personality make them tick. Why they are captivated by him is puzzling, at least to me, but captivated they are. Trump is our first true cult-of-personality President. Theodore Roosevelt probably was our
greatest 'bigger than life' personality President, but Teddy didn't have TV, and he had much more than a big personality going for him as he was an intellectual, a voracious reader of serious books and a prolific writer of serious books. Trump has nothing else going for him. The secret of his success is his ability to live in the moment, and bring his fans into the moment with him where everything outside of that particular moment, everything that contradicts it or mocks it, is ignored, and the moment rules until the next moment arrives when the moment that just preceded is dead and what happened in it can be overruled. The catalogue of Trump's proven lies is astounding but within Trump's circle of woo it has no traction.
 
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