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54% think Trump did it with Russians

NIMBY said:
It is the alt-right 'trying' to Putinize the 1st amendment of those who are critical of trumpolicies .
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So you don't seem to give a crap about silencing the right's 1st amendment rights but you want to make sure that the left has their first amendment rights.
 
NIMBY said:
trump doesn't need the left's help in hurting his legitimacy. He's done that all by himself from day one with his sick, sad, insane and lying tweets and public comments.

The DC GOPs have now destroyed their legitimacy by enabling this clear and present danger to the Republic of the USA .
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It's mostly all the rabid left who thinks he is not legitimate. It is the rabid left who is not legitimate.
 
haymarket said:
A new poll of the American people shows that 54% of Americans believe Donald Trump either did something illegal or unethical involving the Russians. That is a clear majority of the American people.

New poll: 54% of Americans think Trump's dealings with Russia were unethical or illegal | PBS NewsHour



And I placed it here because the partisan divide is significant with Dems finding him guilty of one or the other but Republicans feeling he has done nothing wrong.

This poll proves two things to me
1- the majority of Americans realize Trump is crooked and was elected with the help of the Russians and that is wrong or even criminal,
2- Trump is right that his supporters could see him shoot somebody on Fifth Avenue and they would still support him.

I would think the absolute ceiling for belief that Trump is guilty of either a crime or ethics violations is about 65%. So this 54% result shows we have convinced 80% of the public who could be convinced in the first place.

Not good news for Comorade Trumpski. Not good news at all.
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The poll should prove one more thing to you:

The press is promoting a story that is based on a lie with no evidence and no sources and no attributions.

The public that comprises the 54% is a group of simple minded dupes who cling to the hope that the press is an honest broker of real news.

The 54% figure is based on the hope of good people being perverted by the hype of bad people.
 
jghiretire said:
WOW - are you kidding?? Nevermind - I think your side is the one chipping away at first amendment rights - look at all this fake news talk when you have Fox and Breitbart going crazy.
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It's all fake news on all sides.
 
Mycroft said:
Another typical bogus poll, though a bit sly with their sampling.

They show their sampling by party identification two ways...party identification and lean.

Party identification:

Democrat - 33%
Republican - 28%
Independent - 38%

This seems pretty reasonable...but then we get this:

Strong Democrat - 21%
Not strong Democrat - 12%
Democrat leaning independent - 17%
------------------------------------ 50%
Just independent - 8%
--------------------- 8%
Strong Republican - 17%
Not strong Republican - 12%
Republican leaning independent - 12%
------------------------------------- 41%

http://maristpoll.marist.edu/wp-con...of the Sample and Tables_Russia_July 2017.pdf

Poll rejected.
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Most polls are a crock of crap.
 
NIMBY said:
Marquette has a new poll out on trump approval in battleground Wisconsin; 41-51
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And the polls out before the election showed Wisconsin going for Hillary.
 
54% think Trump did it with Russians
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the very same percentage believes he did it with putin
trump gives putin a strong message.jpg
 
Moderate Right said:
So you don't seem to give a crap about silencing the right's 1st amendment rights but you want to make sure that the left has their first amendment rights.
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That's a fallacy of confirmation bias. No American dedicated to the constitutional values of American wants to silence anyone, but 'fake news' and 'alt facts' must be exposed and stomped down wherever possible.
 
JamesBY said:
That's a fallacy of confirmation bias. No American dedicated to the constitutional values of American wants to silence anyone, but 'fake news' and 'alt facts' must be exposed and stomped down wherever possible.
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Funny. It was even the left leaning mainstream media I watched that showed protesters and the Berkley faculty squashing the free speech rights of more than one conservative speaker. Or, was that just fake news?
 
Moderate Right said:
Funny. It was even the left leaning mainstream media I watched that showed protesters and the Berkley faculty squashing the free speech rights of more than one conservative speaker. Or, was that just fake news?
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And we saw anti 1st Amendment fascists of the far right fighting with the hard left.

You pointed out half of the problem.
 
JamesBY said:
And we saw anti 1st Amendment fascists of the far right fighting with the hard left.

You pointed out half of the problem.
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Well, now we're getting somewhere. The far right are half of the problem and the far left are the other half of the problem. That's something you can I can agree with.
 
Moderate Right said:
Well, now we're getting somewhere. The far right are half of the problem and the far left are the other half of the problem. That's something you can I can agree with.
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Yup. I have always then "there" and it is going to see you getting there also.
 
jghiretire said:
WOW - are you kidding?? Nevermind - I think your side is the one chipping away at first amendment rights - look at all this fake news talk when you have Fox and Breitbart going crazy.
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The chipping away of rights lies on both sides of the aisle.
 
haymarket said:
A new poll of the American people shows that 54% of Americans believe Donald Trump either did something illegal or unethical involving the Russians. That is a clear majority of the American people.

New poll: 54% of Americans think Trump's dealings with Russia were unethical or illegal | PBS NewsHour



And I placed it here because the partisan divide is significant with Dems finding him guilty of one or the other but Republicans feeling he has done nothing wrong.

This poll proves two things to me
1- the majority of Americans realize Trump is crooked and was elected with the help of the Russians and that is wrong or even criminal,
2- Trump is right that his supporters could see him shoot somebody on Fifth Avenue and they would still support him.

I would think the absolute ceiling for belief that Trump is guilty of either a crime or ethics violations is about 65%. So this 54% result shows we have convinced 80% of the public who could be convinced in the first place.

Not good news for Comorade Trumpski. Not good news at all.
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If only opinions and belief actually mattered. Unfortunately, despite all the attempts to prove otherwise, no evidence of collusion has ever been found. Of course with the MSMs making up fake news and pushing fake narratives, non-stop, will result in people thinking there is something there.
 
Josie said:
Trump is going to take most - if not all - of our rights away? Where do you come up with the crap, Moot?
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Deep state, Josie....deep state.
 
Josie said:
Yeah --- the Conspiracy Theory forum is elsewhere.
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Was the Patriot Act a conspiracy?

All Trump needs is one big terrorist attack on US soil like 9/11 and he can declare martial law. Considering the kind of people he surrounds himself with and the way he provokes, divides and attacks our institutions and our allies....it's really not that much of a stretch.
 
Captain Adverse said:
I am not surprised. :shrug:



and...



Joseph Goebbels

The MSM has been pounding this narrative almost from the date Trump was elected.

Most people get their opinions from watching TV.

When the news, talk shows, and pundit talking heads keep repeating a narrative over and over...the herd begins to listen and believe.

Still no evidence of collusion...cue the "investigation is just getting started" responses. :coffeepap:
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Thanks for those quotes. Now you know how Putin's trolls swung those 65,000 votes that gave Trump the win in the 3 blue states that gave him the election. Putin is an expert at propaganda, they have an entire university dedicated to it.
 
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