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Why do Republicans support the embargo against Cuba?

Henrin said:
Are suggesting economic sanctions doesn't hurt a people? So economic sanctions on commerce and travel don't hurt the people of a country? Where did you even get that idea?
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The Military Junta repressing it's citizens in Cuba hold singular responsibility for the fallout of their actions. I'm not sure where you got the idea it's a good thing to support that continued repression.
 
Dekaranger said:
So this is all about making Cuban people so despairing that they will one day uprise their government for us?
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Yup. The problem with the idea is that it ignores two things.

1. The Cuban people already know their problems are in part caused by the US.
2. The Cuban government can use the embargo as a reason for poverty.

In short, the idea was never going to work.
 
ocean515 said:
The Military Junta repressing it's citizens in Cuba hold singular responsibility for the fallout of their actions. I'm not sure where you got the idea it's a good thing to support that continued repression.
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Where did you get the idea that the US government allowing people to trade and travel freely is the US government supporting anything? Anyway, the US government is responsible for their actions as well.
 
Henrin said:
Where did you get the idea that the US government allowing people to trade and travel freely is the US government supporting anything? Anyway, the US government is responsible for their actions as well.
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I respect you have your opinion.
 
CMPancake said:
The United States does business with countries with far worse human rights records than Cuba. If we want to play the "morality card" regarding the Cuban embargo than we have to be consistent and go after Qutar, Saudi Arabia, and other countries of their ilk.
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Yet trump is virtually on his knees in front of the Saudi King, some say he was bending over to receive that tacky award they gave him. Perhaps he was bending over to kiss that fat Saudi ass, like all the Presidents that came before him. And no I don't buy that BS excuse about Cubas human rights being front in center for changing the policy. The Liar in Chief has a hard on of hatred for Obama, anything he can do to tear apart Obamas legacy, he will attempt. He is a very petty man, and so are many of his supporters.
 
ocean515 said:
The Military Junta repressing it's citizens in Cuba hold singular responsibility for the fallout of their actions. I'm not sure where you got the idea it's a good thing to support that continued repression.
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Let's be clear on this matter. Are you certain that the embargo is more beneficial to Cuban people than the lifting of it? Yes or no?
 
The embargo gives the military junta cover. They can just blame the poverty on the US embargo. And since there is at least an element of truth to that, it is pretty damn good cover.
 
Dekaranger said:
Let's be clear on this matter. Are you certain that the embargo is more beneficial to Cuban people than the lifting of it? Yes or no?
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Yes, that is my belief.

In the short term it is more beneficial to the Cuban people, if it extracts restrictions on the Military Junta oppressing Cubans before a new agreement is put in place.
 
CMPancake said:
The United States does business with countries with far worse human rights records than Cuba. If we want to play the "morality card" regarding the Cuban embargo than we have to be consistent and go after Qutar, Saudi Arabia, and other countries of their ilk.
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We are going after those other countries diplomatically and having some success....at least on getting them to stop supporting terrorism. Middle East nations led by Saudi Arabia are now demanding that Qutar cut it's ties with terrorist organizations.
 
Dekaranger said:
So in order to help people of another country, the Republicians are ready to sacrifice American people's own interests? In short, is helping Cubans more important than letting Americans making money from Cuba?
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Nice try. However American businesses, big and small, do not live or die based on doing business with Cuba. it's just another potential opportunity.
 
ocean515 said:
Different situation.

The embargo on Cuba goes back decades, as you know.

If you're going to lift the embargo, which I support, wouldn't it be wise to insure the citizens of Cuba get a better deal as a result?
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Agreed. Right now the Cuban people would get almost nothing as the hotels and resorts are primarily owned by the Cuban military. Basically we would just be financially propping up the authoritarian regime.
 
Skeptic Bob said:
The embargo gives the military junta cover. They can just blame the poverty on the US embargo. And since there is at least an element of truth to that, it is pretty damn good cover.
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Who the hell cares what the Cuban junta blames it on. any free thinking person knows that it has to do with the authoritarian system of government in Cuba and has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with the USA.
 
ObamacareFail said:
Agreed. Right now the Cuban people would get almost nothing as the hotels and resorts are primarily owned by the Cuban military. Basically we would just be financially propping up the authoritarian regime.
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And pumping in billions to ensure that authoritarian regime remains in power forever.
 
ObamacareFail said:
We are going after those other countries diplomatically and having some success....at least on getting them to stop supporting terrorism. Middle East nations led by Saudi Arabia are now demanding that Qutar cut it's ties with terrorist organizations.
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Yes, and I'm sure we will soon hear the the Saudis and other Sunnis have stopped funding madrasas in the ME and Europe that spread the peace and joy that is Wahhabism.
 
ocean515 said:
Yes, that is my belief.

In the short term it is more beneficial to the Cuban people, if it extracts restrictions on the Military Junta oppressing Cubans before a new agreement is put in place.
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The failed embargo has been in place for over 50 years. Please define "short term".
 
trblmkr said:
Yes, and I'm sure we will soon hear the the Saudis and other Sunnis have stopped funding madrasas in the ME and Europe that spread the peace and joy that is Wahhabism.
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Have to start somewhere. For now, they are at least stopping funding to known terrorist groups.
 
trblmkr said:
The failed embargo has been in place for over 50 years. Please define "short term".
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I don't know, 3 months, 1 year?

Why revitalize the Military Junta harming Cuban citizens? I'm curious why so many are in favor of that.
 
Dekaranger said:
Cuba is revitalized => Cuban people are revitalized as well. Look at how China and Vietnam developed after we began to trade with them. Or you are saying that we should let Cuban people stay poor in order to keep Cuban government poor?

And more importantly, American taxpayers' interests should not take a back seat to other people's oppression when it doesn't directly affect us.
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Every other country in the world trades with Cuba.

They sell every cigar they make right now with no American sales.

What is it you think Americans can do for Cuba that every other country in the world hasn't been able to do?
 
ocean515 said:
You need to explain your premise.
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Cubans have been allowed for some time to open and own their own businesses. The opening of Cuba is providing hundreds, if not thousands of ordinary citizens the opportunity to provide services, (hotels, B &B's, restaurants, etc, to tourists outside of the previous government owned/operated ones. To allow this the limited cellular/internet capacity is being increased by the private sector. Not exactly with the permission of the Gov't but they aren't stamping it out either. This will bring the outside world deeper into the lives of Cubans.
The berlin wall didn't just fall because the cold war ended. The people on the other side of that wall found out that the other side was not what they were told. Pretty soon it was, "I want Levi's, Marlboros and a Betamax".
 
trblmkr said:
Cubans have been allowed for some time to open and own their own businesses. The opening of Cuba is providing hundreds, if not thousands of ordinary citizens the opportunity to provide services, (hotels, B &B's, restaurants, etc, to tourists outside of the previous government owned/operated ones. To allow this the limited cellular/internet capacity is being increased by the private sector. Not exactly with the permission of the Gov't but they aren't stamping it out either. This will bring the outside world deeper into the lives of Cubans.
The berlin wall didn't just fall because the cold war ended. The people on the other side of that wall found out that the other side was not what they were told. Pretty soon it was, "I want Levi's, Marlboros and a Betamax".
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Who owns the hotels and other facilities that are profiting from the increased economic activity? Not the average citizen. Since the EX President changed the US position, the military junta has been cracking down and jailing dissenters and protestors.

Providing massive dollars to refill the oppressive regimes coffers seems like a poor strategy that requires a rethink.

Do you think the impoverished people of Cuba will be able to overthrow the Military Junta controlling everything in Cuba? The reason the Berlin Wall fell was, yes, the people, but more importantly the economic starvation of the East German government.
 
Dekaranger said:
So in order to help people of another country, the Republicians are ready to sacrifice American people's own interests? In short, is helping Cubans more important than letting Americans making money from Cuba?
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Without question.
 
Dekaranger said:
Could somebody help me understand this? Don’t Republicans want less government control and more free market? Isn’t the embargo, which the government uses to prevent American companies and citizens from making money, exactly opposite to what they stand for?
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Because unlike leftist loons, Republicans don't support communist dictatorships. :roll:
 
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