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Thank you GOP for fixing healthcare!

fmw said:
That is what you get when you involve government where it doesn't belong. We learned that from Obamacare, didn't we?
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Keep your government hands off my Medicare!
 
Nickyjo said:
Keep your government hands off my Medicare!
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I have Medicare as well. It loses money like crazy. The question for is how much single payer can the economy support and how will we pay for it. Debt?
 
Bucky said:
Here are some facts.

Everybody has access to health care in this country. That is a fact. If you cannot afford it, that's an entirely different subject matter. If you make behavorial/voluntary life choices, you belong in a higher risk pool and should pay more. If you get pregnant, do drugs, smoke, are overweight, do not excercise, than you deserve to pay higher premiums. We need a system where those that are responsible are rewarded.

Seriously, if you cannot afford monthly health care premiums, stop buying iphones, eating out at high end restaurants, or taking uber's for a 5 minutue ride to get home. Trying saving more money instead of paying for a netflix subscription or a bmw. Live within your means and maybe than you can pay for essential things like health care.

The Democrats solution does not work. It is simply a bad idea. Millions of Americans are paying tax fines for not having health insurance because they cannot afford it. Now tell, me, how is that moral?

Democrats want to triple your income tax for their healthcare plan. The facts are facts. A universal health care plan, like the one Bernie Sanders wants would bankrupt this country. Food for thought. If the government was able to seize all the assets of every citizen with over $1 million net worth in this country to fund a univeral health care plan, it would successfully be able to fund it for only a few months.

People need to be better consumers and less selfish about health care. Those clamoring for free health care, do they understand, it has a steap cost? Why should millions of Americans suffer ecnomically to fund lower-income citizens who are already miserable?
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Your screed is right up there with the Sermon on the Mount for its charity and common sense. "Fund lower-income citizens who are already miserable" is a phrase worthy of Ghandi.

I don't smoke, use drugs, drink moderately, but have a chronic incurable disease unrelated to a lifestyle. Fortunately, thanks to you, I now realize I can sell my BMW and pay for my drugs and surgeries. Why didn't I think of that? (Can I keep my IPhone?)
 
fmw said:
I have Medicare as well. It loses money like crazy. The question for is how much single payer can the economy support and how will we pay for it. Debt?
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Call up Europe, NZ, the Aussies, Canadians, etc. for ideas. My (rebuttable) assumption is that if younger, healthier people entered the system it would be more stable.
 
trblmkr said:
Trump won the election. (not the majority of Americans). Trump said:1. He would not cut Medicaid. The bill does.
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You do realize trblmkr, that Medicaid is going to run out of money in 10-15 years at its current projections, right?

Sometimes I think liberals live in some fantasy land. Medicaid, Medicare, Social Security, etc... ALL OF THESE THINGS HAVE A COST! Do you think it is free?

trblmkr said:
2. He said it would cover everybody. It will not.
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It does cover everybody. If you cannot afford it, tough luck.

trblmkr said:
3. He said it would be much cheaper. It will not be.
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Yes, it is much cheaper for many Americans, or at least the Americans that matter.
 
Nickyjo said:
As I understand it, the prez can request that someone introduce legislation he may write up. But since we know that Trump doesnt read, maybe he can't write either.
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Yes of course, the mental gymnastics to justify blaming Trump for what happens in the legislature become ever more impressive. Keep it up!
 
Nickyjo said:
Your screed is right up there with the Sermon on the Mount for its charity and common sense. "Fund lower-income citizens who are already miserable" is a phrase worthy of Ghandi.

I don't smoke, use drugs, drink moderately, but have a chronic incurable disease unrelated to a lifestyle. Fortunately, thanks to you, I now realize I can sell my BMW and pay for my drugs and surgeries. Why didn't I think of that? (Can I keep my IPhone?)
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I really don't know what to say but you got unlucky in the gene pool. Remeber, being poor and sick is more a state of mind than reality. Anyone that relys on the government to save them is just asking for trouble.
 
Fourteen pages about how the GOP has fixed health care, and yet no bills have passed, nothing has changed, and the only thing proposed seems to be to make the situation worse.

I wonder if the Congress will ever get its act together and quit simply playing partisan games?
 
Dittohead not! said:
Fourteen pages about how the GOP has fixed health care, and yet no bills have passed, nothing has changed, and the only thing proposed seems to be to make the situation worse.

I wonder if the Congress will ever get its act together and quit simply playing partisan games?
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The GOP wealthcare bill is nothing but a partisan exercise.
 
trblmkr said:
Trump won the election. (not the majority of Americans). Trump said:
1. He would not cut Medicaid. The bill does.
2. He said it would cover everybody. It will not.
3. He said it would be much cheaper. It will not be.
4. He said it would be much better. It is not by most metrics.
So when you and the other Trump voters voted for him you believed:
1. He wouldn't cut Medicaid, or didn't care if he cut it?
2. Thought it would cover everybody, or didn't care who it covered?
3. Thought it would be cheaper, or was OK if it was more expensive?
4. Thought it would be better, but if it doesn't cover lots of stuff, that's OK.

As long as we get that WIN.
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While all of that may be true it doesn't change the fact that Obamacare sucks to the point that even Democrats admit it needs major repair and Democrats absolutely refuse to talk about repealing Obamacare and replacing it with something much better. They would rather have a failed program which is in a death spiral.
 
Nickyjo said:
Call up Europe, NZ, the Aussies, Canadians, etc. for ideas. My (rebuttable) assumption is that if younger, healthier people entered the system it would be more stable.
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But Obamacare has made it so expensive, the younger, healthier people don't want to sign up. Obamacare is designed to screw the younger, healthier people and then they wonder why this segment of society doesn't want to sign up. Duh.
 
Dittohead not! said:
Fourteen pages about how the GOP has fixed health care, and yet no bills have passed, nothing has changed, and the only thing proposed seems to be to make the situation worse.

I wonder if the Congress will ever get its act together and quit simply playing partisan games?
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Both sides are playing partisan games. Both sides have said it is either their way or the highway.
 
Moderate Right said:
But Obamacare has made it so expensive, the younger, healthier people don't want to sign up. Obamacare is designed to screw the younger, healthier people and then they wonder why this segment of society doesn't want to sign up. Duh.
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Don't you have "pre-existing conditions"? The insurance companies will be happy to drop you, me, anyone that endangers maximization of profit.
 
reinoe said:
Trump doesn't write legislation. You Dems keep forgetting that.
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But Trump is cheerleading a bill that does the opposite of what he promised during his campaign. You wish we'd forget that.
 
lurchadams said:
But Trump is cheerleading a bill that does the opposite of what he promised during his campaign. You wish we'd forget that.
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Calling a bill "mean" is cheerleading? Saying that he wants a bill with heart is cheerleading? You Trump haters are bending over backwards in ever more impressive feats of mental gymnastics. It just gets better and better.

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Nickyjo said:
Call up Europe, NZ, the Aussies, Canadians, etc. for ideas. My (rebuttable) assumption is that if younger, healthier people entered the system it would be more stable.
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Probably. But how to pay for it?
 
CriticalThought said:
Yup! You are absolutely right. If there is anything better than Obamacare and Trumpcare, it is the utopia of health care that existed before 2009. Who can forget those days when health care costs were spiraling ever higher and the drug companies exerted even more control over their monopolies? We were truly blessed in those days when hospitals were stabilizing people and literally kicking them to the street and insurance companies required people to call and get authorization before taking an ambulance to the hospital.
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I am currently in the middle class, and have been for the last 20 years. I am in the middle, and I believe that I see both sides economically, although I have never truly experienced a wealthy or a poor lifestyle.

In 2009 I had a plan that covered 3 people (2 adults 1 child) with a $5k family deductible that $280 per month. I had 20 companies to choose from and at least 50 total plans amongst them.

This year I cover 2 people (1 adult 1 child) with a $10K deductible per person for $600 per month. I have 2 companies with 6 total plans to choose from.

Yes, I am in the private marketplace. Yes, I make too much money to qualify for government subsidy. No one in my family has been to the doctor for more than a checkup in the entire time period described above. I have no pre-existing conditions. I have had to doctor shop 3 times as 2 of my doctors have left the area (might have stopped practicing, I don't know).

PPACA was promised by many D's to lower my premiums, keep my doctor, provide health insurance for all. None of these promises were fulfilled (yes, we still have uninsured in this country).

So, do I want the "good old days" of 2009? Damn skippy I do.
 
<alt>doxygen said:
Don't you have "pre-existing conditions"? The insurance companies will be happy to drop you, me, anyone that endangers maximization of profit.
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I do have pre-existing conditions and I had insurance before Obamacare and they did not drop me. They did charge me more than the average Joe but even at that the rates were more affordable than Obamacare. Correction: once Obamacare started that insurance company did drop me, remember - if you like your insurance you can keep your insurance? And before you start spouting off that I must have had a "bare bones" policy, I didn't. It was a much better policy than what I was forced to get with Obamacare but the policy did not meet Obamacare's essential health benefits because it did not cover pregnancies. I'm a guy. Obamacare was so expensive that my wife had to quit being a stay at home mom and go out and get a full time job with health insurance because I own my own small business. Obamacare is even much worse now and many places are down to just one insurer with the prospect of zero looming. But, most lefties think I lie because they refuse to believe there are a lot of Obamacare horror stories out there, including mine.
 
Nuber said:
I am currently in the middle class, and have been for the last 20 years. I am in the middle, and I believe that I see both sides economically, although I have never truly experienced a wealthy or a poor lifestyle.

In 2009 I had a plan that covered 3 people (2 adults 1 child) with a $5k family deductible that $280 per month. I had 20 companies to choose from and at least 50 total plans amongst them.

This year I cover 2 people (1 adult 1 child) with a $10K deductible per person for $600 per month. I have 2 companies with 6 total plans to choose from.

Yes, I am in the private marketplace. Yes, I make too much money to qualify for government subsidy. No one in my family has been to the doctor for more than a checkup in the entire time period described above. I have no pre-existing conditions. I have had to doctor shop 3 times as 2 of my doctors have left the area (might have stopped practicing, I don't know).

PPACA was promised by many D's to lower my premiums, keep my doctor, provide health insurance for all. None of these promises were fulfilled (yes, we still have uninsured in this country).

So, do I want the "good old days" of 2009? Damn skippy I do.
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50 years ago you could have paid a nickel for a candy bar. Would you blame ACA for that as well?

You never truly knew what coverage you had until you used it back then, so I doubt it was apples to apples.
 
Praxas said:
Yeah we need to go back to the good ole days where people couldn't get specialized treatment and instead were just stabilized and then kicked out until they die at least. But let's make sure we give a blank check to defense spending for all the wars we need to start.
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Do libs really think that repeating this lie over and over makes it true? :roll:
 
Health care was better before 1973 when it was against the law for insurance companies to make a health care profit.
 
Elvira said:
Exactly...we did without it for years just fine...why bring it on now and screw everything up?
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We didn't do just fine.
People with pre-existing conditions could not get health insurance.
 
justabubba said:
but that savings to the government is needed to cover the massive tax break for the 1%
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Oh, I get it, they give massive tax breaks for the rich...and in all their generosity they will trickle down that money to cover the premiums, deductibles, uncovered health care for the less fortunate .

Oh wait.

Nevermind.:lamo
 
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