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Democrats Call For New Leadership After Special Election Results

Moderate Right said:
https://www.yahoo.com/tv/democrats-call-leadership-special-election-041214230.html

As much as I really hate Nancy Pelosi - It's not the leader, it's the message! Is the left ever going to figure this out?
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My belief is that the ideological left is what the Democrats now are... they cannot turn from tiger to lion, it's not how they are wired and programmed.

I think it was always a footrace against the right in assimilating all into a sort of competive prosperity vs the division by accentuating diversity to a fault, those on the left gaining a grip on media and education to sway great swaths, slowly, subtle at first now coming on like gangbuster wrecking balls.

Somehow pushing for equality of opportunities does not go far enough towards equality of outcomes to be fair enough...at least to them

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Moderate Right said:
https://www.yahoo.com/tv/democrats-call-leadership-special-election-041214230.html

As much as I really hate Nancy Pelosi - It's not the leader, it's the message! Is the left ever going to figure this out?
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It's partially the leader, Pelosi herself has a ton of negatives, but you're right the message is more important.

And I did read a bunch of quotes from Democratic Representatives today saying they wanted to focus more on economics than social issues and Trump. But it definitely remains to be seen whether any of that will ever happen.
 
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It's partially the leader, Pelosi herself has a ton of negatives, but you're right the message is more important.

And I did read a bunch of quotes from Democratic Representatives today saying they wanted to focus more on economics than social issues and Trump. But it definitely remains to be seen whether any of that will ever happen.
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Economic issues are harder than social issues though. Social issues all you have to do is support some minority or some social program and drum the bull**** empathy train to pass some bubbly law that can be used against the enemy for generations. Then again, they kind of do the same with a lot economic measures as well. Say people are unpaid and raise the minimum wage or say the rich are too rich and raise their taxes. Both measures get that empathy train moving, do nothing, and can be used against the opponent for a long time to come.
 
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Phys251 said:
Why exactly should the minority leader of the House take the blame for losing a special election in which the Democrats were the clear underdogs? I'm surprised they're not blaming Hillary as well.
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Guess you forgot about the last six years of steep losses by the Democrats and the fact that Trump won the election against all odds. But, the reason for my thread is that I agree with you - it is not Pelosi's fault - it is the message. Democrats just don't get it.
 
Moderate Right said:
Guess you forgot about the last six years of steep losses by the Democrats and the fact that Trump won the election against all odds. But, the reason for my thread is that I agree with you - it is not Pelosi's fault - it is the message. Democrats just don't get it.
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I do not need a lecture from you about our complacency, 2009-2016. It was born when Obama took office and died when Trump was "elected." But thanks for the reminder not to let the fires of our passion die! :thumbs:
 
Phys251 said:
Why exactly should the minority leader of the House take the blame for losing a special election in which the Democrats were the clear underdogs? I'm surprised they're not blaming Hillary as well.
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You guys were acting like it was in the bag. Hell, you guys were all uppity about the polls.
 
Phys251 said:
Why exactly should the minority leader of the House take the blame for losing a special election in which the Democrats were the clear underdogs? I'm surprised they're not blaming Hillary as well.
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National DEM leadership refuses to play the best defense--the same type of offense that GOPs have no shame of playing--as they did with tying Ossoff to Pelosi, the Scalise shooting, and the Griffin idiocy;

Time to show McConnell's face and words on nationwide ads NOW--then show the ads with the dozens of GOP at-risk house members, senators, governors, and state legislative members ;
 
Gaugingcatenate said:
My belief is that the ideological left is what the Democrats now are... they cannot turn from tiger to lion, it's not how they are wired and programmed.

I think it was always a footrace against the right in assimilating all into a sort of competive prosperity vs the division by accentuating diversity to a fault, those on the left gaining a grip on media and education to sway great swaths, slowly, subtle at first now coming on like gangbuster wrecking balls.

Somehow pushing for equality of opportunities does not go far enough towards equality of outcomes to be fair enough...at least to them

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Right now. Today. The democrats are in fear of their left wing. They don't know how powerful they are or aren't. That why the Georgia loss was such a kick in the nuts. They know they lost, but they can't seem to make an argument to get past "We all hate Trump, don't we!?" Without some other message to go on.

They are lost in the wilderness.
 
Gaugingcatenate said:
My belief is that the ideological left is what the Democrats now are... they cannot turn from tiger to lion, it's not how they are wired and programmed.
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The problem for democrats is that their base is moving more left than they're comfortable with. The democrats want to hold onto the status quo in their party in terms of ideology instead of moving more left like they should be doing to keep up with their base. What is funny about the whole situation is that the democrats encouraged the move left in their base. lol
 
NIMBY said:
National DEM leadership refuses to play the best defense--the same type of offense that GOPs have no shame of playing--as they did with tying Ossoff to Pelosi, the Scalise shooting, and the Griffin idiocy;

Time to show McConnell's face and words on nationwide ads NOW--then show the ads with the dozens of GOP at-risk house members, senators, governors, and state legislative members ;
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I think you have a point there. Democratic leadership does tend to be too nice in their tone of voice. TBH I think that's why quite a few people within the base are attracted to the likes of Sanders and Warren--not just because of their stances but their tone.
 
Henrin said:
The problem for democrats is that their base is moving more left than they're comfortable with. The democrats want to hold onto the status quo in their party in terms of ideology instead of moving more left like they should be doing to keep up with their base.
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That's a good point. The Ossoff campaign was a perfect example of stale thinking. His whole opposition was about him being some liberal hippy snowflake, and he responded by promising to work across the isle and find bi partisan solutions to problems. It was the same losing strategy Clinton ran.
 
Moderate Right said:
https://www.yahoo.com/tv/democrats-call-leadership-special-election-041214230.html

As much as I really hate Nancy Pelosi - It's not the leader, it's the message! Is the left ever going to figure this out?
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Nancy Pelosi is doing a great job helping the GOP maintain power! I wouldn't be surprised if she's actually a GOP mole. Pelosi represents the tone deaf out of touch Dems I've actually grown accustomed to. I don't even know what competent Dem leadership in Congress could look like.

Sidenote: Handel won her election in Georgia by portraying Ossoff as a puppet of Pelosi. How bad must her image be that over 3k miles away people affiliated with her can get smeared successfully.
 
All 4 CD losses were in districts well beyond what Cook's PVI calls a swing district. National GOPs know how many tens of millions they spent on these safe districts.

Phys251 said:
I do not need a lecture from you about our complacency, 2009-2016. It was born when Obama took office and died when Trump was "elected." But thanks for the reminder not to let the fires of our passion die! :thumbs:
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GOPs used Reid and Obama in smear ads in 2014; GOPs used lying smear ads on ACA in 2010 along with their REDMAP 2010; it's what GOPs do;

DEMs must develop a two-pronged attack of going after GOPs on the issues. Tie McConnell and trump's wealthcare to at-risk GOPs; and compare and contrast their plans on every piece of garbage legislation passed by the GOP .
 
Moderate Right said:
https://www.yahoo.com/tv/democrats-call-leadership-special-election-041214230.html

As much as I really hate Nancy Pelosi - It's not the leader, it's the message! Is the left ever going to figure this out?
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She doesn't help the situation, but you are right. The results of the liberal policies have caused anger without solving the problems after 50 years into the experiment. And the intended beneficiaries have lost the faith for the time being. What they crave is a messanger bleating "Yes! We can!".
 
Henrin said:
The problem for democrats is that their base is moving more left than they're comfortable with. The democrats want to hold onto the status quo in their party in terms of ideology instead of moving more left like they should be doing to keep up with their base. What is funny about the whole situation is that the democrats encouraged the move left in their base. lol
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That (bolded above) might even be funny if the republicant leadership was not now so busy trying to replace ObamaCare with TrumpCare (PPACA lite?) and scheming on a way to do that without needing any demorat votes to do so. What we have now is the party for a huge federal government temporarily losing ground to the party for a bigger federal government. The sad truth of the matter is that the federal government and the national debt are going to grow no matter which major party is said to be in charge.
 
MrPeanut said:
That's a good point. The Ossoff campaign was a perfect example of stale thinking. His whole opposition was about him being some liberal hippy snowflake, and he responded by promising to work across the isle and find bi partisan solutions to problems. It was the same losing strategy Clinton ran.
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GA-6 wasn't even one of the 59 CDs marked by DEMs after data analysis of POTUS vote by CD.

Let's see how well Handel is doing after voting for trump's wealthcare and the rest of the GOP agenda.

She can't run from trump's name anymore as she did in the campaign .
 
joG said:
She doesn't help the situation, but you are right. The results of the liberal policies have caused anger without solving the problems after 50 years into the experiment. And the intended beneficiaries have lost the faith for the time being. What they crave is a messanger bleating "Yes! We can!".
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Are you implying that Medicare and Medicaid are a problem? What do you mean by 50 year experiment?
 
Phys251 said:
I think you have a point there. Democratic leadership does tend to be too nice in their tone of voice. TBH I think that's why quite a few people within the base are attracted to the likes of Sanders and Warren--not just because of their stances but their tone.
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Don't think Pelosi is the only boogieman or boogiewoman that the GOPs will continue to use. This is still the party of Nixon, Atwater and Rove with their dirty lying smear ads.

All of the elections on 11/7/17 should tell us if DEMs have figured out a way to counter the GOP smear messages tying them to DEMs like Pelosi, Clinton and Warren .
 
Phys251 said:
I do not need a lecture from you about our complacency, 2009-2016. It was born when Obama took office and died when Trump was "elected." But thanks for the reminder not to let the fires of our passion die! :thumbs:
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Has nothing to do with complacency. It has to do with the message.

Hillary spent the entire campaign telling us why we don't want Trump as president. Trump talked to voters about the economy and jobs. Hillary told voters to forget about their manufacturing jobs but that she would fight to get Walmart and McDonalds to pay them a living wage.

The left goes overboard with political correctness and Trump said screw political correctness.

The left defends illegal immigrants, sanctuary cities, and letting unvetted refugees into the country.

The left wants gun control when most of the country defends the second ammendment.

Obamacare gets worse and worse every year and is in a death spiral while the left continues to bury their heads in the sand.

The left stands up for virtually everyone but white people.
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
Are you implying that Medicare and Medicaid are a problem? What do you mean by 50 year experiment?
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Ryan's aim is to completely undo everything back to and through FDR.

Reagan hated Medicare and became a GOP because of it .
 
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