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Democrats Call For New Leadership After Special Election Results

Unitedwestand13 said:
Everyone has the right to access healthcare, it should not be a privilege afforded to only the wealthy few who can pay for it.
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Have you ever thought through that statement? The economics don't work to optimize healthcare.

Ps: it would be important to note that the US governments spend more per beneficiary than do all but very few social democracies on healthcare.
 
Phys251 said:
Yup. Hopefully next year's candidate will fight her harder and equate her to a legislative supporter of Trump. Ossoff was nice--too nice. But he had never run for political office before, particularly in this crazy environment. I think he'll be back.
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GOP admen would have a field day with just today's news if trump and McConnell were DEMs. Day 154, or the end of week 22, would be about trump's dishonesty on tapes and intimidation of Comey while McConnell would be on wealthcare.

Exactly. No more Hillary? Attack Pelosi. No more Pelosi? Oh they'll find another boogeyman.
The stupid part is that some people on the Left are engaging in these smear attacks. Makes you wonder what side they're really on.
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GOPs allowed the tea party in and took over the nation. Berniecrats want the same from DEMs. The battle for the soul of the DEM party is still out.

The DEM focus as the minority party should be to oppose bad GOP legislation with positive proposals of their own and make ads on these ASAP.

They should not be airing their political differences in public to be used by GOP admen later .
 
Henrin said:
Both parties are out of touch with their base. The difference is how they got there. The republicans got there from just ignoring their base and doing their own thing with the hope their base would keep voting for them, while the democrats appealed to leftist ideas until the point the tidal wave they created to sound like the noble party overtook them. I doubt the democrats are all that surprised that their base has moved so far left but are probably finding it harder and harder as time goes on to keep things going smoothy because of it. Republicans on the hand were caught completely off guard by Trump and likely had no idea that such the wave was even out there.

As for politically in general, democrats have the advantage because they have a platform that is much easier to use for appeasement. Republicans at the moment are largely unable to obtain their goals because the kind of changes that would be need to be done to reach them would be political suicide.
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Neither side really seems to understand who their base really is. The base is what the people voted for. The Republican base voted for McCain. The Republican base voted for Romney. The Republican base voted for Trump. That's who the base is on the right. Now, I have to admit, the "base" of the left is rather murky because superdelegates override the will of the true base.
 
Henrin said:
How about you tell me what you think the cause of the depression was.
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The American people, who throughout the 1920s were enjoying economic prosperity and being constantly fed the notion that future prosperity was just around the corner, received the shock of the stock market crash and became uncertain about the future. That uncertainty led many Americans to make the decision of not buying goods. In particular, Americans stopped buying durable goods like cars that they had learned to buy on credit. The economy, which had flourished in the 1920s due to the widespread production of domestic goods, went into a crisis because no one was buying goods or making financial transactions. Banks and factories closed and unemployment soared.

Hoover tried to help, but he focused on getting a solution from Wall Street and refused to implement federal unemployment relief, on the basis of his principles.
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
And yet republicans have no answer as to why the Great Depression happened.
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They'll just say that the machinations were in play before Harding took over. They would blame the 20-year progressive era .
 
Moderate Right said:
Yep. That's what they believe alright. No need for anyone to be responsible at all because we can just rely on the government for our economic security, even when spending 20 trillion extra dollars hasn't achieved it. Liberal solution? Let's spend 20 trillion more extra dollars and when that doesn't work we can spend another 20 trillion.
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Everyone has individual responsibilities, but government provides economic security againist disasters that no one regularly worries about.
 
Moderate Right said:
Yep. That's what they believe alright. No need for anyone to be responsible at all because we can just rely on the government for our economic security, even when spending 20 trillion extra dollars hasn't achieved it. Liberal solution? Let's spend 20 trillion more extra dollars and when that doesn't work we can spend another 20 trillion.
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Wotta crock.
 
Moderate Right said:
Sanders has a nice tone. Warren is a b**ch.
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I wonder why you think that way, considering that Sanders's tone is not exactly soft-spoken much of the time.
 
Moderate Right said:
Sanders has a nice tone. Warren is a b**ch.
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Nice calling Sen. Warren a bitch, Moderate Right. Sooner or later the progressives will get the depth of the hatred that the GOP has for strong DEM women, as you mentioned how much you hated Pelosi in your OP .
 
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Grand Mal said:
Wotta crock.
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Moderate Right forgets that spending bills began with the GOP house the last 6 years.

Wonder who he'll blame for record trump deficits built on voodoo economics .
 
Moderate Right said:
https://www.yahoo.com/tv/democrats-call-leadership-special-election-041214230.html

As much as I really hate Nancy Pelosi - It's not the leader, it's the message! Is the left ever going to figure this out?
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Actually, it's both.

A platform built on little more than identity politics and smears is bankrupt, and its failures are compounded by an uninspiring, thoroughly disliked leader with negative charisma:

Nancy Pelosi Favorable Rating - Polls - HuffPost Pollster
 
NIMBY said:
Moderate Right forgets that spending bills began with the GOP house the last 6 years.

Wonder who he'll blame for record trump deficits built on voodoo economics .
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Here in Canada the last Liberal government brought in 8 or 9 successive surplus budgets. Harper and his Conservative Party brought us back into the red for 8 out of 9 years.
I expect to be told that liberals are different in the US, by someone who just doesn't know what a liberal is.
 
Grand Mal said:
Here in Canada the last Liberal government brought in 8 or 9 successive surplus budgets. Harper and his Conservative Party brought us back into the red for 8 out of 9 years.
I expect to be told that liberals are different in the US, by someone who just doesn't know what a liberal is.
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When Clinton had surpluses, GOPs took credit. When Reagan, Bush-41 and Bush-43 had deficits, it was the DEMs fault. It's how we roll. When Obama had deficits, it was his fault. When trump has deficits, it will somehow be DEMs fault.

Honest posters will admit that we have gov't overlap where historical revision takes over, unlike trump's authoritarian buddies worldwide. Our greatest problem next decade is hitting my state now, well over 100 billion in unfunded public pension debt .
 
Anagram said:
It's partially the leader, Pelosi herself has a ton of negatives, but you're right the message is more important.

And I did read a bunch of quotes from Democratic Representatives today saying they wanted to focus more on economics than social issues and Trump. But it definitely remains to be seen whether any of that will ever happen.
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After losing those 4 special elections, perhaps at least some of them are finally starting to reflect inward or have at least worked out that just going in full attack and obstruction mode is not going to return to them to power. As for Pelosi, her only real value to the democrats in the House is her fundraising ability. They see her as an atm machine. As a strategist, she useless and can barely strategize a trip to the ladies room.
 
GOPs winning 4 specials where Cook's PVI was +8, +9, +11 and +15 in GA, SC, MT and SC respectively; +5 and higher are considered NOT swing;

GOPs had to waste several tens of millions on PAC dirty laundry; lying GOP smear ads show DEMs what they'll face in 2018, as well as THIS Nov .
 
Conaeolos said:
I have hope for democrats ~ I really hope to hear some new voices that talk Main Street economics and jobs more than deplorables, racism and a need for ever larger government spending.
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The election really went south for them right after Hillary made the deplorables comment. But, it's much easier to blame it on Comey or the Russians.
 
Phys251 said:
Yup. Hopefully next year's candidate will fight her harder and equate her to a legislative supporter of Trump. Ossoff was nice--too nice. But he had never run for political office before, particularly in this crazy environment. I think he'll be back.



Exactly. No more Hillary? Attack Pelosi. No more Pelosi? Oh they'll find another boogeyman.

The stupid part is that some people on the Left are engaging in these smear attacks. Makes you wonder what side they're really on.
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Funny statement from a side that attacks Trump nonstop, even before the election. Didn't work then. Isn't working now. Even after the relentless attacks on Trump you guys are 0 for 4 in elections.
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
And so they understand why the American people threw out the conservative agenda and went with the liberal one?
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And so do you understand why the American people threw out the liberal agenda and went with the conservative one?
 
NIMBY said:
GOPs winning 4 specials where Cook's PVI was +8, +9, +11 and +15 in GA, SC, MT and SC respectively; +5 and higher are considered NOT swing;

GOPs had to waste several tens of millions on PAC dirty laundry; lying GOP smear ads show DEMs what they'll face in 2018, as well as THIS Nov .
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Sorry dude, but you, more than anyone else on this forum, has been touting these special elections as critical since the day Trump was sworn in. Now you expect us to believe, now that you have lost all of the, that they never really mattered . Its hard to take a person like that seriously. Oh, and you can stop pretending any time now that GOP ads are horrible and dem ads are pure as the wind driven snow. Its hard to take a person like that seriously.
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
Everyone has the right to access healthcare, it should not be a privilege afforded to only the wealthy few who can pay for it.
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That's just a bunch of hogwosh. Most Americans get their health insurance through their employers and that, for the most part, has zero to do with wealth. In many, many cases a poorer person working for a company with better health insurance is better off than a richer person working for a company with health insurance that is not so good. Most of the really poor get free government health care, just what you guys would want for everyone and yet you say the poor have worse health insurance than the rich do. Please make up your mind.
 
Henrin said:
The problem for democrats is that their base is moving more left than they're comfortable with. The democrats want to hold onto the status quo in their party in terms of ideology instead of moving more left like they should be doing to keep up with their base. What is funny about the whole situation is that the democrats encouraged the move left in their base. lol
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I agree that the base is moving towards the extreme so this increasing common fringe behavior becomes more and more radicalized as well as it becomes the new norm... and I agree the party itself was the one that pushed the base, pointing this Frankenstein at, ultimately, their own head seeing as it has been indoctrinating them this direction for decades.

And while they pushed that base it shrank due to the normal, sensible hard working classes at all levels (except maybe the high levels in government, media, entertainment and academia ) began leaving when the party gave up trying to improve the economy, to create a robust environment for industry and job creation, for careers not just the overpaid minimum skilled wanting to force the wage up without providing a corresponding increase in value to their work... and the small handouts don't fulfill the needs in the ambitions of many/most...perhaps just the weak and small minded.

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Henrin said:
The problem for democrats is that their base is moving more left than they're comfortable with. The democrats want to hold onto the status quo in their party in terms of ideology instead of moving more left like they should be doing to keep up with their base. What is funny about the whole situation is that the democrats encouraged the move left in their base. lol
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As I said before they can't measure the size or direction of their base by noise level alone. They have to win a special ejection with a message or they will be guessing going into the mid terms.

BTW, the FBI is interested in Sanders wife, how do you think that will play after the DNC screwed them in favor if Hillary who walked away from prosecution with a smirk on her face. The dems have a lot of fence mending to do.
 
GOPs had to waste several tens of millions on PAC dirty laundry; lying GOP smear ads show DEMs what they'll face in 2018, as well as THIS Nov .
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The GOP always lies and smears. It's what they do. Just like a bear ****s in the woods. The question Democrats must ask themselves is, "why are they effective at it?" Could it be because Democrats aren't very good at connecting with voters? Democrats have to wake up and get to work.
 
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