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Russian Election Interference - A Tempest in a Teapot?

Fletch said:
Yes, the FBI is investigating hacking by the Russians. That does not mean that this is evidence of collusion. You are taking two separate issues and conflating them
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The FBI is investigating for collusion....thats why the Trump team is lawyering up.

If the Russians hacked as many state voter databases as the news reports...and since they wanted Trump to win...then they had certainly had motive to share that hacked information with Trump's campaign....and that would be collusion.
 
Moot said:
The FBI is investigating for collusion....thats why the Trump team is lawyering up.

If the Russians hacked as many state voter databases as the news reports...and since they wanted Trump to win...then they had certainly had motive to share that hacked information with Trump's campaign....and that would be collusion.
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Wrong. Trump was never under investigation for collusion. Comey testified as such. If Trump and co are lawyering up it is because of stupid and potentially illegal things Trump did as president in response to the investigation. Again, you are conflating two separate things and pretending they are the same. There was no collusion. There may have been obstruction. I doubt it, but Trump does some pretty dumb things.
 
Tanngrisnir said:
It's just astonishing how the intellectually lazy need this to be pointed out to them almost on an hourly basis.

A. No smoking gun is necessary at this time
B. There was enough circumstantial evidence to get PC to start the investigations.
C. There was enough to get FISA warrants.
D. Major players have been caught lying under oath about their contacts/communications with Russians and Russian intelligence.
E. One of those major players publicly asked for immunity and his lawyer stated he, 'has a story to tell'.
F. Many in Trump's inner circle have now lawyered up. Hell, one of those lawyers has now lawyered up.
G. Two clandestine attempts to create very suspicious back channels occurred, one of them apparently at the Russian embassy using Russian cryptographic systems

I could go on, but I don't want to ruin your trip whistling past that graveyard.
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A through G are either opinion pieces or just plain wrong, the rabid liberal wish list or biased partisan interpretations. You could post the same A through G regarding Hillary's investigation.
 
Tanngrisnir said:
It takes a lot of intellectual laziness to try and claim what I posted has amounts to 'zero' in the evidence column.

Oh, wait.

Nevermind.
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I see you came to your senses mid sentence. My hat's off to you for realizing your own rabidness.
 
Tanngrisnir said:
Lulz. The power that magical thinking has over you is truly a sight to behold.

You're welcome to your fantasies; I'll stick w/reality, thanks.
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A fantasy is when you are on the side with zero evidence.
 
AlbqOwl said:
For months now, the Democrats and the mainstream media have kept up a constant drumbeat of Russian interference with the 2016 election, collusion of the Trump campaign with the Russians to undermine Hillary, and meeting with and the firing of the FBI director as a clear act of obstruction of justice. We are now spending millions of dollars on a special prosecutor whose job, according to the worst of the Trump haters in the Democratic party, the MSM, social media, and message boards, is to indict the President and impeach him.

Yet again and again the Russian connection, one that has no doubt existed for decades, has failed to produce the desired smoking gun:

Ex-Homeland Security Secretary Jeh Johnson’s testimony Wednesday should mark the definitive end of “Russia hacked the election” hysteria. Too bad it took so long to get to this point.Johnson told the House Intelligence Committee outright that the Russians failed to alter “ballots, ballot counts or reporting of election results.”


Yes, it’s clear Russia (with Vladimir Putin’s full approval) orchestrated cyberattacks designed to influence the 2016 contest, and also pushed fake news.


But the hack, and release via WikiLeaks, etc., of Democratic emails produced nothing game-changing. The biggest impact was to confirm the obvious: The Democratic National Committee favored Hillary Clinton from the start.
And fake news mainly feeds people’s existing prejudices — which serves Putin’s goal of undermining our democracy, but fails to flip votes from one party to the other.


Johnson also made it plain that Democrats didn’t take the problem too seriously: “The FBI and the DNC had been in contact with each other months before about the intrusion, and the DNC did not feel it needed DHS’s assistance at that time.”. . .​

Good riddance to the Russia myth — and blame Team Obama for promoting it | New York Post

At what point do honorable Americans back off this non stop politics of personal destruction and get back to the business of pulling together to make America better, stronger, more unified, and productive for all?
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So you solution is to turn a blind eye to the Russian meddling and invite them to keep doing it? All to protect a possible traitor who put a Russian stooge into the most sensitive job in our Govt. Not in a million years.
 
Tanngrisnir said:
There is more than enough evidence, as I've demonstrated, to justify the ongoing investigations and the SP.

To state that 'there is no evidence of collusion' is to admit you have no idea what you're talking about and are too intellectually dishonest to admit that the investigations are not over and have not revealed as of yet what they have found. To state that there was no collusion as if it were fact is to admit you engage in exactly what I just described.

Hey, good luck with that magical thinking! You're going to need it.
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High ranking Democrats privy to intelligence have said that there is no evidence of collusion. Do you know more than they do?
 
Absentglare said:
The charges are extremely serious, if there's any meat to this it's going to take a long time to get out because they need to have all their ducks in a row before going after a sitting president.

Your post reeks of wishful thinking. I'd be happy to find out that President Trump did not collude with the Russians, but it is absolutely imperative either way for independent investigations to either confirm or deny the charges.

Are you too scared that your boy won't be able to tolerate the light of truth to agree to investigate?
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Can you admit that in the end there may never be any meat to it?
 
Moderate Right said:
High ranking Democrats privy to intelligence have said that there is no evidence of collusion. Do you know more than they do?
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Not only was that some time ago, but they're not privy to what the FBI is.

As you already know.

Nice fail on your part.
 
Moot said:
The hacked voter data may have been shared with the Trump campaign....


Russians Hacked Two U.S. Voter Databases, Officials Say - NBC News

RNC-Contracted Firm, Deep Root, Left Millions Of Voter Files Unsecured Online : NPR

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-cyber-congress-idUSKBN19C1Y3
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Really? May have been? That's the best you've got? Hey, have you seen the other thread where the left has finally given up on everything and now want Trump impeached for driving his golf cart up on the green?
 
Moderate Right said:
A through G are either opinion pieces or just plain wrong, the rabid liberal wish list or biased partisan interpretations. You could post the same A through G regarding Hillary's investigation.
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No, they're all factually correct. Proven true by this thing called 'reality'.

That you have to delude yourself otherwise is no skin off my teeth.

Please don't let reality frighten you so.
 
iguanaman said:
So you solution is to turn a blind eye to the Russian meddling and invite them to keep doing it? All to protect a possible traitor who put a Russian stooge into the most sensitive job in our Govt. Not in a million years.
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How do you want to stop them? You guys never answer this.
 
Tanngrisnir said:
It's just astonishing how the intellectually lazy need this to be pointed out to them almost on an hourly basis.

A. No smoking gun is necessary at this time
B. There was enough circumstantial evidence to get PC to start the investigations.
C. There was enough to get FISA warrants.
D. Major players have been caught lying under oath about their contacts/communications with Russians and Russian intelligence.
E. One of those major players publicly asked for immunity and his lawyer stated he, 'has a story to tell'.
F. Many in Trump's inner circle have now lawyered up. Hell, one of those lawyers has now lawyered up.
G. Two clandestine attempts to create very suspicious back channels occurred, one of them apparently at the Russian embassy using Russian cryptographic systems

I could go on, but I don't want to ruin your trip whistling past that graveyard.
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MAGA now means Make Attorneys Get Attorneys.
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
How do you know there is nothing there?
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Do you have trouble with reading comprehension? I said, Can you admit that in the end there may never be any meat to it? Where did I say that I know there is nothing there? I was merely asking someone the question because after months of investigations there is no proof to any of it.
 
Tanngrisnir said:
Not only was that some time ago, but they're not privy to what the FBI is.

As you already know.

Nice fail on your part.
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Well, you said you know what the FBI is, an agency who accepts "walks like a duck and quacks like a duck" as evidence.
 
Tanngrisnir said:
No, they're all factually correct. Proven true by this thing called 'reality'.

That you have to delude yourself otherwise is no skin off my teeth.

Please don't let reality frighten you so.
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Just more liberal rabidness. You guys think all this actually means something. Meanwhile you are 0 for 4 in elections. When are your rabid liberal attacks on Trump going to pay dividends in the election booths?
 
Moderate Right said:
And yet the left questions Trump's sanity while thinking it contributes to debate. When does the left hypocrisy ever stop?
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There is a difference between questioning the sanity of a person you are debating with on a political forum and questioning the mental judgement of a man who is president of the United States.
 
Moderate Right said:
Just more liberal rabidness. You guys think all this actually means something. Meanwhile you are 0 for 4 in elections. When are your rabid liberal attacks on Trump going to pay dividends in the election booths?
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It's OK that you both can't face the reality of my enumerated points or refute them.

Sorry you're so frightened
 
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