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Sanders, Warren tell Americans to demand health care bill transparency

Moderate Right said:
Now I know you're intelligent enough to realize that even if they pass the Senate plan 51-50 it is probably DOA in the House. In other words, a bunch of political bruhaha over nothing. In any event, if Democrats wanted to be part of the process then they should not have come out ahead of time saying that they refused to talk about anything as long as it had to do with repealing Obamacare. They refused to talk about anything and everything unless it was keeping Obamacare and improving on it. They shut themselves out of the process.
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No they didn't. Sorry but that's not the case. And it makes good sense to not repeal Obamacare. not completely. Heck.. the republicans THEMSELVES couldn;t bring themselves to repeal Obamacare.,.. so what does that tell you? I don't think if they pass the plan 51-50 in the Senate that its dead in the house. not at all. I think that plan is to get this pushed through fast.. without anyone being able to know whats really in it...

Until its too late and people wake up and find out that their premiums went up 1000% because they are over 50 years old. (as some markets are projected to do with what was passed in the house bill )..
 
Said to Americans, who for a very long time have basically not given two ****s about the quality of processes, from the party of Obama, who has very little interest in the quality of government.

Listening to old hands in Washington trying to make the argument "We want to do it right" is rather humorous.
 
GhostlyJoe said:
That out-of-context quote pretty much sums up everything wrong with the modern GOP. They're actually doing what you're falsely claiming Pelosi intended. Somehow you can maintain outrage about Pelosi's quote for 7 years but turn a blind eye to what senate Republicans are doing right now.
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Out of context? You gotta be ****ing kidding me.
 
iguanaman said:
Do you know who pays for those that "don't want" OR can't afford insurance when they get sick or injured? The ones that do. Less people with insurance will mean more people who you will pay for their care. That is why the ACA made buying insurance affordable by subsidies that are paid by the extra tax on the wealthy. Yet another example of you cluelessness. Less insured means we are going backwards and that the replacement is WORSE not better.
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Of course that is the left talking point. You can't think outside the box.
 
jaeger19 said:
No they didn't. Sorry but that's not the case. And it makes good sense to not repeal Obamacare. not completely. Heck.. the republicans THEMSELVES couldn;t bring themselves to repeal Obamacare.,.. so what does that tell you? I don't think if they pass the plan 51-50 in the Senate that its dead in the house. not at all. I think that plan is to get this pushed through fast.. without anyone being able to know whats really in it...

Until its too late and people wake up and find out that their premiums went up 1000% because they are over 50 years old. (as some markets are projected to do with what was passed in the house bill )..
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Well, yes, the Democrats did flat out say they refused to even talk about healthcare if repeal was the starting point. They clearly said they would ONLY discuss improving Obamacare, nothing else. No matter what you think, even if you were correct, it doesn't change the fact that Democrats did refuse to talk about healthcare if repeal started out on the table. This is why Democrats have been shut out of the discussion, because they themselves refused to talk about any kind of repeal. They should have have at least said, we'll consider repeal and replace if we can come up with a better system but they didn't. Slightly off topic but, If I remember right, you were in the healthcare field in some fashion so I'm curious as to what you think of a single payer system.
 
Absentglare said:
What?

This sounds like the "we should give the dictator all the power because the people are too stupid to know what's good for them" argument. Scary.
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Who on Earth said a dictatorship was going to come up with a plan and that would be it? Whatever plan the Senate comes up with is going to be made public (Thurs) and will have to pass both the House and the Senate and get signed into law by the president. That's the way our country's government works. It is not a dictatorship. But, Obamacare was passed with zero Republican votes so you can't really complain if the same happens now in reverse.
 
AlbqOwl said:
If that is what you got out of my post, I suggest a good remedial reading course.
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The left reads what they want to read. I doubt a reading course would help with that.
 
iguanaman said:
Kicking 20+ million off their insurance is good enough for you? How do you sleep at night?
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Most losing insurance will lose it because they choose not to buy it. That's not kicking people off.
 
iguanaman said:
It came from the CBO estimates on the House passed bill. There is no reason to believe the Senate bill will do any better.
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Ummmmmmmmmm. The Senate is currently making their own bill, not the House. Please try to keep up with current events.
 
BWG said:
Hell they don't even trust their own Senators see it.


Asked by Bloomberg if he had seen the Senate version of the bill, Mr McCain responded, "No, nor have I met any American that has.”
He added: “I’m sure the Russians have been able to hack in and gotten most of it."


Other cons who say they haven't seen it include...
Republican Senator Lisa Murkowski
Senator Susan Collins
Senator Rand Paul
Senator Mike Lee, a member of the 13-member, all-male Senate working group on health care reform
Senators Pat Toomey and Orrin Hatch, also rumoured to be members of the working group


John McCain on Trumpcare: I haven't seen it, but I'm sure the Russians have | The Independent
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Everyone is seeing it Thurs. Why do you guys continue to spew this false narrative? Partisanship maybe?
 
Moderate Right said:
Ummmmmmmmmm. The Senate is currently making their own bill, not the House. Please try to keep up with current events.
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I'de love to do that but the Senate bill is a deep dark secret. Tell why you think that is?
 
iguanaman said:
I'de love to do that but the Senate bill is a deep dark secret. Tell why you think that is?
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Why do you continue to spew this false narrative? Might want to read the news on Thurs.
 
Moderate Right said:
Most losing insurance will lose it because they choose not to buy it. That's not kicking people off.
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Killing the subsidies and giving the money to the wealthy instead will make insurance unafordable for millions.
 
iguanaman said:
Killing the subsidies and giving the money to the wealthy instead will make insurance unafordable for millions.
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Where on Earth did you get that crap? Republicans plan on getting rid of subsidies and replacing them with tax credits instead. That's tax credits for those in lower income levels to help them buy health insurance. It has absolutely nothing to do with the wealthy.
 
Moderate Right said:
Why do you continue to spew this false narrative? Might want to read the news on Thurs.
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LOL I am not alone in saying it is a secret...

(CNN)Republican Sen. Ron Johnson is warning that he will vote against the GOP health care plan if there is not sufficient time to review it publicly and allow his constituents to give feedback.

Speaking to CNN's Chris Cuomo on "New Day" Wednesday morning, Johnson expressed his concerns about the way Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell could approach a vote on the bill that remains secret after weeks of deliberation behind closed doors.

"What I've told leadership very clearly is I'm going to need time, and my constituents are going to need time, to evaluate exactly how this is going to affect them," Johnson said. "I personally think that holding a vote on this next week would definitely be rushed. I can't imagine, quite honestly, that I'd have the information to evaluate and justify a yes vote within just a week. "I've told him, unless I have the input from my constituents, unless I have got the information I need to justify a yes vote, I won't be voting yes," Johnson said.
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Sen. Johnson: Without time to review health care bill, 'I won't be voting yes' - CNNPolitics.com
 
Moderate Right said:
Everyone is seeing it Thurs. Why do you guys continue to spew this false narrative? Partisanship maybe?
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Today is Wednesday. Very few has seen it AS OF TODAY!!!!!

There is no guarantee that everyone will see it on Thursday.

McConnell says so? McConnell is a known liar.

No false narrative here.

Naivety on your part to believe the liar McConnell.
 
BWG said:
Today is Wednesday. Very few has seen it AS OF TODAY!!!!!

There is no guarantee that everyone will see it on Thursday.

McConnell says so? McConnell is a known liar.

No false narrative here.

Naivety on your part to believe the liar McConnell.
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Partisanship noted.
 
Moderate Right said:
The left reads what they want to read. I doubt a reading course would help with that.
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Probably so. I imagine most or all of those reporters that report things that people didn't say or mean all went to college somewhere.
 
Moderate Right said:
What expert input?
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Experts. Those who know well the health care system, health policy, health economics. This is a three trillion dollar industry and no one who knows anything about it is being consulted.

AlbqOwl said:
Now then, if they don't give us a chance to see what they've done and give it all a fair hearing in advance of a serious vote, then we all have room to question and complain. But there is no public right to know how it gets put together.
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The vote will be next week. There have been no hearings, no markups, and there will be no serious floor debate.
 
Moderate Right said:
Most losing insurance will lose it because they choose not to buy it. That's not kicking people off.
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False. Per the CBO, the AHCA will price people out of coverage and/or otherwise make coverage unavailable for millions.

Community-rated premiums would rise over time, and people who are less healthy (including those with preexisting or newly acquired medical conditions) would ultimately be unable to purchase comprehensive nongroup health insurance at premiums comparable to those under current law, if they could purchase it at all—despite the additional funding that would be available under H.R. 1628 to help reduce premiums. As a result, the nongroup markets in those states would become unstable for people with higher-than-average expected health care costs. That instability would cause some people who would have been insured in the nongroup market under current law to be uninsured.
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Over time, it would become more difficult for less healthy people (including people with preexisting medical conditions) in those states to purchase insurance because their premiums would continue to increase rapidly.
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People living in states modifying the EHBs who used services or benefits no longer included in the EHBs would experience substantial increases in out-of-pocket spending on health care or would choose to forgo the services.
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Although the agencies expect that the legislation would increase the number of uninsured broadly, the increase would be disproportionately larger among older people with lower income—particularly people between 50 and 64 years old with income of less than 200 percent of the federal poverty level . . . For older people with lower income, net premiums would be much larger than under current law, on average
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However, the agencies estimate that about one-sixth of the population resides in areas in which the nongroup market would start to become unstable beginning in 2020. That instability would result from market responses to decisions by some states to waive two provisions of federal law, as would be permitted under H.R. 1628.
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AlbqOwl said:
Probably so. I imagine most or all of those reporters that report things that people didn't say or mean all went to college somewhere.
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A bit off topic but over the last several years I have seen an astounding amount of things wrong (grammar and spellingwise) in written stories by reporters. Many just show an astounding lack of knowledge in grammar and there are also glaring spelling problems that could have been caught by a spellcheck if they had bothered to use it. I mean it was obvious that these weren't even just typos. Many other times you could see they copied and pasted things or cut them and then never proofread to see that they had screwed up in doing so. I'm not really sure what exactly they learned in college because I learned all this stuff in high school.
 
Greenbeard said:
Experts. Those who know well the health care system, health policy, health economics. This is a three trillion dollar industry and no one who knows anything about it is being consulted.



The vote will be next week. There have been no hearings, no markups, and there will be no serious floor debate.
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That's strange. That is not what my representative advised.
 
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