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Righties object to freedom of expression

I find the idea of a Trump assassination play utterly despicable. Having said that, no one who doesn't want to see it needs to go watch it. Leave these hateful idiots to their own kind.
What irks me more is to see leftist complaining that a handful of people object to this play, but applaud the obstructionists who flat out refuse to let those with opposing views speak. To name a few
Ann Coulter controversy tests Berkeley's free speech credentials - CNN.com
Dis-invited: 4 Conservatives Not Welcome To Speak On College Campuses - Future Female Leaders
Feel free to find different sources.

Does anyone else find this hypocrisy appalling?
 
Tanngrisnir said:
Here, have some more: Uproar over Trump-themed 'Julius Caesar,' but none for Obama version at Guthrie 5 years ago - StarTribune.com

You're really not very good at this.
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Honest question: Until this Central Park/NYC production, were you even aware of the Minneapolis theatre five years ago? Yes or no?

I wasn't. I don't keep up with what's going on in Minnesota even though I lived in Rochester when I was little. But I Googled just now and found only two reviews, both local:

https://www.tcdailyplanet.net/julius-caesar-guthrie-theater-acting-company-review/

Review: Julius Caesar @ The Guthrie Theater - Mpls.St.Paul Magazine

Is it fair then to say that there wasn't an uproar because most people didn't even know about the 2012 production until about a week ago?
 
it's just me said:
Is this like the time the left wing silenced Ann Coulter and Milo Yiannopolis with threats of violence? How about the riots at Berkeley?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Berkeley_protests

And we're only halfway through the year.

If it wasn't for double standards you guys would have no standards at all.
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FYI: There is a difference between the "left"' as you put it, and anarchists. I live in Berkeley, and it was obviously not the left, but the same crazies that have been around for years, responding like Pavlov's dog to two speakers who are themselves performance artists, not serious political analysts. Have been to meetings, demonstrations,etc, where this type shows up. They stand up and scream, then sit down and someone from the other side of the audience stands up to scream. I presume that the plan is to attract some other mouth breathers to join. They have nothing but scorn for liberals and leftists. Could give you chapter and verse if you like of similar incidents.

I assume that conservatives have better things to do than to keep track of all the crazies, so I humbly offer the above from my 50 years of observation and participation in lefty stuff.
 
nota bene said:
Honest question: Until this Central Park/NYC production, were you even aware of the Minneapolis theatre five years ago? Yes or no?

I wasn't. I don't keep up with what's going on in Minnesota even though I lived in Rochester when I was little. But I Googled just now and found only two reviews, both local:

https://www.tcdailyplanet.net/julius-caesar-guthrie-theater-acting-company-review/

Review: Julius Caesar @ The Guthrie Theater - Mpls.St.Paul Magazine

Is it fair then to say that there wasn't an uproar because most people didn't even know about the 2012 production until about a week ago?
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No, I wasn't aware of it until this time.

I think it's fair to say that regardless of how many people are only aware of it now, it's still an exercise in hypocrisy for people to be aware of both and STILL whine about the current one.
 
Tanngrisnir said:
No, I wasn't aware of it until this time.

I think it's fair to say that regardless of how many people are only aware of it now, it's still an exercise in hypocrisy for people to be aware of both and STILL whine about the current one.
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Maybe. But if we had all known about the Minneapolis performance, do you think there would have been outrage too? I think there probably would have been. Would be interesting if somebody did a poll.
 
haymarket said:
It looks like the Trump right wing tried to silence people from exercising their Constitutional freedom of expression by trying to stop a New York performance of JULIUS CAESAR.

BOOM!! Protesters INTERRUPT Trump Assassination Play - RUSH STAGE -- Screaming "Goebbels Would Be Proud!" (VIDEO)

All they needed was brownshirts and billyclubs and they would have been the personifications of what they were accusing the play of being. The idea that they screamed about Nazi's while doing this is beyond ironic as these sort of tactics would have made Nazi's proud.

An arrest was made.

So much for freedom.
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Isn't the solution to the free speech / expression that don't agree with supposed to be more free speech / expression of the opposing view?
Or is it that only leftist supported free speech / expression should not be allowed to be opposed?

The play company has the right to put on such a display, just as those who are protesting it have a right to protest it.
Sorry, but free speech / expression isn't something that can only apply to some. It's kinda an all or nothing.
 
nota bene said:
Maybe. But if we had all known about the Minneapolis performance, do you think there would have been outrage too? I think there probably would have been. Would be interesting if somebody did a poll.
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Perhaps, but I don't think there should be outrage over either. It's just a damned play. Creative license. Etc...
 
Tanngrisnir said:
Perhaps, but I don't think there should be outrage over either. It's just a damned play. Creative license. Etc...
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I'm inclined to agree. But the timing couldn't have been worse, coming as it did after Kathy Griffin's attention-whoring decapitated-head thing.

Not, I rush to add, that the play hasn't been well-received by New Yorkers. It has been...just not so much by "fly-over country."
 
haymarket said:
It looks like the Trump right wing tried to silence people from exercising their Constitutional freedom of expression by trying to stop a New York performance of JULIUS CAESAR.

BOOM!! Protesters INTERRUPT Trump Assassination Play - RUSH STAGE -- Screaming "Goebbels Would Be Proud!" (VIDEO)

All they needed was brownshirts and billyclubs and they would have been the personifications of what they were accusing the play of being. The idea that they screamed about Nazi's while doing this is beyond ironic as these sort of tactics would have made Nazi's proud.

An arrest was made.

So much for freedom.
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So 2 people doing something stupid and wrong is the "Trump right wing"? You'll cheer for and apologize for massive liberal VIOLENCE in the cause of shutting down speech they disagree with, but when two idiots make a scene at a play, suddenly you go all Godwin on us.
 
Josie said:
I'm glad they got arrested. Now I'll wait for all of the people who agree that conservative speakers can and should be shouted down to defend these idiots.
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Same here. This kind of crap is unacceptable in modern society and should be denounced by one and all at every opportunity.
 
OlNate said:
See the problem with either the right or the left posting why the other side sucks? Both sides have their garbage elements, and both sides are using those garbage elements to generalize the other. Bottom line, both sides have garbage elements, rather than getting your jollies pointing at the other side, why not work together to fix it so you can move past this awful division? There is no solution in this back and forth BS finger pointing...how either side figures they have the moral authority is beyond me.
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The difference is one of scale. We have a few isolated idiots, you have crowds in the hundreds of them. We also call for justice to be carried out, while you defend the wrong-doers.
 
eohrnberger said:
Isn't the solution to the free speech / expression that don't agree with supposed to be more free speech / expression of the opposing view?
Or is it that only leftist supported free speech / expression should not be allowed to be opposed?

The play company has the right to put on such a display, just as those who are protesting it have a right to protest it.
Sorry, but free speech / expression isn't something that can only apply to some. It's kinda an all or nothing.
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So you have no problem with people public trying to stop a play before the public through personal protest actions of distuption?
 
faithful_servant said:
So 2 people doing something stupid and wrong is the "Trump right wing"? You'll cheer for and apologize for massive liberal VIOLENCE in the cause of shutting down speech they disagree with, but when two idiots make a scene at a play, suddenly you go all Godwin on us.
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Nope - I never said there was only two people in the Trump right wing. Sadly, its much larger than just two people.
 
haymarket said:
Nope - I never said there was only two people in the Trump right wing. Sadly, its much larger than just two people.
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I never said that you did. I said that the wrongful acts of 2 people do not represent the "Trump right wing" which is EXACTLY what you said:
It looks like the Trump right wing tried to silence people from exercising their Constitutional freedom of expression by trying to stop a New York performance of JULIUS CAESAR.
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haymarket said:
So you have no problem with people public trying to stop a play before the public through personal protest actions of distuption?
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It doesn't matter if I have a problem with the protest or not, nor if I have a problem with the content of said play, or not.

What matters is if the protest is legally considered to be free speech or freedom of expression, and if it is, it warrants the protection there of.

We've seen, time and again, public disruption of conservative freedom of speech being impinged all over place, especially college campuses, which many from the political left support.

Now there there's a single case where it goes the other way, where a leftist freedom of speech is impinged, and you are all upset? Really?

The left, through it's many examples, has clearly shown that this is now acceptable behavior, and your all upset when it is equally applied by the other side?

To my thinking, I don't think conservatives on campus should be protested or rioted, nor do I think that this play should be protested or rioted. No one is forcing anyone to attend any of these events from either side, so what's the problem with walking away and not participating?

I'd much rather have greater civility in the public square, but that doesn't appear to be the same values that the political left support, at least not by the example that they've set.
 
faithful_servant said:
The difference is one of scale. We have a few isolated idiots, you have crowds in the hundreds of them. We also call for justice to be carried out, while you defend the wrong-doers.
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lol...ok, but you understand what an utterly partisan, broken statement that is, right? You might feel fully justified in saying that, but someone on the left would feel fully justified in saying the same thing about the right, and then we're back to "I know you are but what am I". And as we see on this debate forum, folks on both sides can present all kinds of proof to support their partisanship. The question to both sides is, can you prioritize putting aside the beef so you can actually fix your country, or are you so committed to partisan hackery and hate that continued escalation, regardless of consequence, is preferable?
 
haymarket said:
It looks like the Trump right wing tried to silence people from exercising their Constitutional freedom of expression by trying to stop a New York performance of JULIUS CAESAR.

BOOM!! Protesters INTERRUPT Trump Assassination Play - RUSH STAGE -- Screaming "Goebbels Would Be Proud!" (VIDEO)

All they needed was brownshirts and billyclubs and they would have been the personifications of what they were accusing the play of being. The idea that they screamed about Nazi's while doing this is beyond ironic as these sort of tactics would have made Nazi's proud.

An arrest was made.

So much for freedom.
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Well I would say the play is in poor taste, they have every right to put it one. At least the last scene is in poor taste. It's one of these let the box office decide. If you don't like the ending, then don't go. Vote with your pocketbook. As long as there is no kook out there in the audience like the one who showed up at the Republican baseball practice, all is well.

I do wonder how those now defending this play would also defend it if instead of Trump it was Obama at the end being stabbed. I think cries of racist would be ringing out. But this is what our politics have become today, a bunch of hypocrites who love seeing the other side being put under the knife, but would be rushing the stage themselves if it was one of theirs.

As for me, I live by the old adage of free speech, "I may disagree with what you say, (or put on stage in this instance), but I will defend your right to say it," (or to put the play on).
 
faithful_servant said:
I never said that you did. I said that the wrongful acts of 2 people do not represent the "Trump right wing" which is EXACTLY what you said:
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Those people are part of the Trump right wing. So I said nothing inaccurate.
 
eohrnberger said:
It doesn't matter if I have a problem with the protest or not, nor if I have a problem with the content of said play, or not.

What matters is if the protest is legally considered to be free speech or freedom of expression, and if it is, it warrants the protection there of.

We've seen, time and again, public disruption of conservative freedom of speech being impinged all over place, especially college campuses, which many from the political left support.
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Don't you folks on the right wing ever defend something purely for what it is instead of the normal knee jerk 'but you do it too' nonsense that we constantly hear as a lame attempt to justify your own actions on the right?

Now there there's a single case where it goes the other way, where a leftist freedom of speech is impinged, and you are all upset? Really?

The left, through it's many examples, has clearly shown that this is now acceptable behavior, and your all upset when it is equally applied by the other side?

To my thinking, I don't think conservatives on campus should be protested or rioted, nor do I think that this play should be protested or rioted. No one is forcing anyone to attend any of these events from either side, so what's the problem with walking away and not participating?

I'd much rather have greater civility in the public square, but that doesn't appear to be the same values that the political left support, at least not by the example that they've set.
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I have no problem if anyone wants to protest an event by picketing it trying to get others not to attend. I have a problem when people disrupt and event which has no role of audience participation involved.
 
Tanngrisnir said:
No, I wasn't aware of it until this time.

I think it's fair to say that regardless of how many people are only aware of it now, it's still an exercise in hypocrisy for people to be aware of both and STILL whine about the current one.
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Apparently, there weren't promotional efforts made for the 2012 play either:

There is, however, another reason why there was no public outcry in 2012.

“In 2012, the produce [sic] of The Acting Company, was very concerned that this production was going to get us into trouble, and she really didn’t want us talking too much to the press about the concept,” Melrose says.

There was no public outcry, hardly any media attention at all paid to Melrose’s version of Julius Caesar, for the production company made a conscious decision to keep it a secret of sorts. https://townhall.com/columnists/jac...-between-obamacaesar-and-trumpcaesar-n2343164
 
haymarket said:
Don't you folks on the right wing ever defend something purely for what it is instead of the normal knee jerk 'but you do it too' nonsense that we constantly hear as a lame attempt to justify your own actions on the right?
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Just a constant reminder of the hypocrisy and inconsistency of the left and the policies the left constantly promotes. :mrgreen:

I have no problem if anyone wants to protest an event by picketing it trying to get others not to attend. I have a problem when people disrupt and event which has no role of audience participation involved.
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This should also apply ion exactly the same way to any conservative speakers on campus, yet never does. :roll:

Let me know when it does. Til then . . . . . . Not much room to talk.
 
haymarket said:
It looks like the Trump right wing tried to silence people from exercising their Constitutional freedom of expression by trying to stop a New York performance of JULIUS CAESAR.

BOOM!! Protesters INTERRUPT Trump Assassination Play - RUSH STAGE -- Screaming "Goebbels Would Be Proud!" (VIDEO)

All they needed was brownshirts and billyclubs and they would have been the personifications of what they were accusing the play of being. The idea that they screamed about Nazi's while doing this is beyond ironic as these sort of tactics would have made Nazi's proud.

An arrest was made.

So much for freedom.
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Do you have as much concern when a conservative speaks at a college?? Great post as you make ones self to be one incredibly foolish hypocritic....

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eohrnberger said:
Just a constant reminder of the hypocrisy and inconsistency of the left and the policies the left constantly promotes. :mrgreen:.
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That reply makes no sense on any level to the post you pretended you were replying to.
 
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