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Nothing New About Democrat Hate

SenorXm/Sirius said:
I pointed out that Trump inherited a good economy, while Bush left Obama a mess and the Republicans didn't care about the millions losing their jobs and homes.

Not in other words or in any words did I say anything about the Dems doing the exact same thing, because they haven't. If you want to debate, at least try to do it honestly.
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The state of the economy at the time is irrelevant to the tactics employed by the party out of power. It is the tactics I am discussing because it is the tactics that you brought up. You just don't want to deal with it because it makes your side look as bad as the people you hate.
 
MTAtech said:
I disagree. While that may be true of Republicans (e.g. holding onto power is job 1) the Democrats proved during the Bush years that they could cooperate and negotiate on policies. There was never a plot to undermine Bush or deem him illegitimate, the way the GOP (and Trump especially) even questioned his right to run for president.
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So you spend your time nowadays criticizing the left for plotting to 'undermine Trump and deem him illegitimate' do you? I must have missed those posts. Either that or you are only upset when the people use hate use tactics you love.
 
Fletch said:
So you spend your time nowadays criticizing the left for plotting to 'undermine Trump and deem him illegitimate' do you? I must have missed those posts. Either that or you are only upset when the people use hate use tactics you love.
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As Stephen Colbert famously coined, "Reality has a well-known liberal bias."

There are legitimate reasons one can criticize Trump just as there were legitimate reasons to criticize Nixon. Doing so doesn't suggest, explicitly state nor imply that criticism is unfair or not deserved. Pointing out Trump's failings doesn't equate to "plotting."
 
MTAtech said:
As Stephen Colbert famously coined, "Reality has a well-known liberal bias."

There are legitimate reasons one can criticize Trump just as there were legitimate reasons to criticize Nixon. Doing so doesn't suggest, explicitly state nor imply that criticism is unfair or not deserved. Pointing out Trump's failings doesn't equate to "plotting."
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"Reality has a well-known liberal bias."
I'd add "when reported by a liberal biased news media".

Reality is fact based and has neither a liberal nor a conservative bias. It's the reporting of reality which does.
 
MTAtech said:
As Stephen Colbert famously coined, "Reality has a well-known liberal bias."
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Colbert is an idiot and his quote fits him perfectly.

There are legitimate reasons one can criticize Trump just as there were legitimate reasons to criticize Nixon. Doing so doesn't suggest, explicitly state nor imply that criticism is unfair or not deserved. Pointing out Trump's failings doesn't equate to "plotting."
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No one is arguing that. There are legitimate reasons to criticize Trump. But calling him Hitler or a traitor or any number of other over-the-top accusations my unhinged leftist is in any way legitimate. THe left HATES this man with a fervor unseen in recent history. There is nothing that your side wont say or do to destroy him. To the left, Trump is evil therefore anything goes. There is no parallel to that on the right. None.
 
Fletch said:
Colbert is an idiot and his quote fits him perfectly.



No one is arguing that. There are legitimate reasons to criticize Trump. But calling him Hitler or a traitor or any number of other over-the-top accusations my unhinged leftist is in any way legitimate. THe left HATES this man with a fervor unseen in recent history. There is nothing that your side wont say or do to destroy him. To the left, Trump is evil therefore anything goes. There is no parallel to that on the right. None.
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I think you are employing mirror thinking.
https://www.google.com/search?q=oba...69i57j0l2j5.2823j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
 
I dont necessarily see less hate from the right but I do see a disparity in the intensity and volume between the left and the right.

When the majority of the media is sympathetic toward one side and hostile toward the other, it creates a reassurance for one side and misstrust of them on the other side.

The results of this dichotomy is that you end up with violent activists who feel justified in using any tactic available and a group that dismisses all criticisms, legitimate or otherwise. It also leads to the opposition force feeling it is justified in defeating the opposition by any means necesarry because the game is rigged.

Welcome to 21st century America

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eohrnberger said:
True, the left always has espoused violence, as is clearly presented in your list of history. I suppose all the more reason to keep them out of control of anything.

Given that history is cyclical, might it be that we are on the cusp of a left violence swing upswing, which appears to also coincide with their significant loss of political traction with the electorate? Probably as a reaction to their violent upswing?
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The American patriots espoused violence, yes. The Irish and Scots as well. When American laborists began stating their grievances to workplace abuses in the way of picket lines, both the local police and hired private militias just shot them and beat up their families. So this "Leftist violence" thing, as we can clearly see is nothing but uninformed regurgitation of lies.

So, let's for a moment ask a question about the violence committed by the oppressed and follow it to its logical conclusion: you whip a dog into a corner and keep whipping him. Sooner or later the dog is going to choose life over death; would you consider that dog to be a violent leftist?

And before you answer, I again remind you of our American Revolution.
 
jet57 said:
The American patriots espoused violence, yes. The Irish and Scots as well. When American laborists began stating their grievances to workplace abuses in the way of picket lines, both the local police and hired private militias just shot them and beat up their families. So this "Leftist violence" thing, as we can clearly see is nothing but uninformed regurgitation of lies.

So, let's for a moment ask a question about the violence committed by the oppressed and follow it to its logical conclusion: you whip a dog into a corner and keep whipping him. Sooner or later the dog is going to choose life over death; would you consider that dog to be a violent leftist?

And before you answer, I again remind you of our American Revolution.
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I'm not going to answer hypotheticals, especially one that's that ridiculous, and not really having a bearing on any work conditions in the US.

Back in the 60's, it was violent left uprising and protests and such, as you've pointed out.

So I figure a repeating cycle of, oh, about 60 years or so. So that means I'll be quite likely to see that pass and peaceful unity under a more moderate, more centrist (or even a more conservative), but certainly a less liberal national political scene. Yeah, that'd be fine by me.
 
eohrnberger said:
I'm not going to answer hypotheticals, especially one that's that ridiculous, and not really having a bearing on any work conditions in the US.

Back in the 60's, it was violent left uprising and protests and such, as you've pointed out.

So I figure a repeating cycle of, oh, about 60 years or so. So that means I'll be quite likely to see that pass and peaceful unity under a more moderate, more centrist (or even a more conservative), but certainly a less liberal national political scene. Yeah, that'd be fine by me.
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Those details on abuses that I gave you do in fact have a great deal to do with your "violent leftists" assertion and refute or logic on this issue and point to the foundings of our own country as a shining example of what you et al on the right refer to as "leftists violence".

What came out of the sixties also turned out to be exactly right as well didn't it, and our contemporary social legal system bear that out.

Sorry man, but trying to cite people fighting back as some sort of leftists scourge only illustrates a profound ignorance of historical and contemporary fact; (not you personally, but the notion that you are perpetuating that nonsense does - not - look - good). It's clap trap; propaganda, a play to emotions; out right denial...

And yet, it all may pass quietly as people really start to sniff the air and take heed to what's going on, and then we may indeed see some positive results come out of this that even the playing field once again and restore security to the American ream. Let's hope we're that smart.
 
Oh good, another partisanshytehead thread.
 
eohrnberger said:
Back in the 60's, it was violent left uprising and protests and such, as you've pointed out.
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So you don't think protesting a useless war that was killing 10,000's of Americans and protesting for civil rights was worth it?

WOW!! Lock step baby. Keep right in lock step.
 
SenorXm/Sirius said:
So you don't think protesting a useless war that was killing 10,000's of Americans and protesting for civil rights was worth it?

WOW!! Lock step baby. Keep right in lock step.
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Made useless by DC meddling in military actions and plans, the military being prevented from actually winning that war.

Which, incidentally, is the same thing Obama did in Iraq, which caused the present Taliban resurgence there as well as now an ISIS influx, being displaced out of Syria.

You know what? Crowd them all together in a valley and use another MOAB.

And no. I'm not lock step with anyone or anything. You don't know me, so that projection is utterly false.
 
eohrnberger said:
actually winning that war.
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Vietnam.
Afghanistan.
Iraq.

Otherwise known as "unwinnable wars".

The sooner Americans understand you can't win wars like that, the better, but it seems pride matters more than pragmatism and plain truth.
 
Jetboogieman said:
Vietnam.
Afghanistan.
Iraq.

Otherwise known as "unwinnable wars".

The sooner Americans understand you can't win wars like that, the better, but it seems pride matters more than pragmatism and plain truth.
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For sure if you throw in the towel before you even begin.

What's you solution?

Continue allow Islamic extremists to murder people as they cower in their basements while the government that's tasked with protecting them can't and / or won't?

We are kinda seeing the results of those kinds of policies in London tonight, yet again. You'd welcome the same in this country?
 
iguanaman said:
"You lie!" Were the words President Obama heard echoing thru the Capital while he was speaking the State of the Union to the American people. It seems downright tame now .
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Yeah and he was excoriated by his own constituents for doing so. It was in poor taste even though he was eventually proven correct.


https://www.google.com/amp/m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_58ecf24de4b0ca64d91970bf/amp

"In 2009, Rep. Joe Wilson (R-S.C.) shouted “You lie!” at then-President Barack Obama during his address on health care to a joint session of Congress. On Monday, Wilson faced angry constituents who chanted his own insult back at him. "


Wilson was also issued an official reprimand by the House of Representatives.


Contrast that with

California Democratic Party Leader Leads 'F*ck Donald Trump' Chant at Convention

https://www.google.com/amp/www.brei...ads-fck-donald-trump-chant-at-convention/amp/

by ADELLE NAZARIAN 21 May 2017
Outgoing California Democratic Party chairman John Burton left his post of eight years on Saturday by waving his middle fingers in the air and rallying his party’s annual convention to chant “F*ck Donald Trump!”



Thanks for going above and beyond to help emphasize my original point.
Yeah it was tame and would barely register a signal now.
 
eohrnberger said:
Made useless by DC meddling in military actions and plans, the military being prevented from actually winning that war.

Which, incidentally, is the same thing Obama did in Iraq, which caused the present Taliban resurgence there as well as now an ISIS influx, being displaced out of Syria.

You know what? Crowd them all together in a valley and use another MOAB.

And no. I'm not lock step with anyone or anything. You don't know me, so that projection is utterly false.
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So the people starting the wars don't deserve any blame, like Bush 2, but the people who inherit the wars do? And when these wars drag on citizens shouldn't protest the fact that the war is unwinnable? Just let people keep dying? Keep quiet, as they use to say, be a 'Good German'.

No thanks. I don't like violence, but when thousands are needlessly dying and the government won't listen, then yeah violence maybe called for.
 
SenorXm/Sirius said:
So the people starting the wars don't deserve any blame, like Bush 2, but the people who inherit the wars do? And when these wars drag on citizens shouldn't protest the fact that the war is unwinnable? Just let people keep dying? Keep quiet, as they use to say, be a 'Good German'.

No thanks. I don't like violence, but when thousands are needlessly dying and the government won't listen, then yeah violence maybe called for.
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You don't support violence, but do support the violent left?

The violence in the discussed cases was forced onto the US.

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eohrnberger said:
You don't support violence, but do support the violent left?

The violence in the discussed cases was forced onto the US.

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I'm talking about the protest becoming violent if the government refuses to listen and keeps fighting winnable wars that are needlessly killing thousands. Like Vietnam. And you think only the 'left' would protest those kinds of wars? You're making my point for me.

Have a nice day.
 
SenorXm/Sirius said:
I'm talking about the protest becoming violent if the government refuses to listen and keeps fighting winnable wars that are needlessly killing thousands. Like Vietnam. And you think only the 'left' would protest those kinds of wars? You're making my point for me.

Have a nice day.
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Thousands vs the est. 4 million the communist killed after we left?

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trouble13 said:
I feel like we are on the verge of a civil war. I think the left's indifference and callousness may be the final match to light the inferno. Its sad that people are going to need to die in order to settle this dispute.

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But how would you have a civil war? Don't you pretty much have to have one territory fighting another territory, such as the North fighting the South? Every single state, even the deep blue and red ones have both parties represented. Take California and New York for instance. Would you have all of the rural areas and suburbs fighting the inner large cities? Much of both California and New York are actually red. I just don't see how it would work and that's probably a good thing.
 
Moderate Right said:
But how would you have a civil war? Don't you pretty much have to have one territory fighting another territory, such as the North fighting the South? Every single state, even the deep blue and red ones have both parties represented. Take California and New York for instance. Would you have all of the rural areas and suburbs fighting the inner large cities? Much of both California and New York are actually red. I just don't see how it would work and that's probably a good thing.
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I really cant answer that. If you look at red n blue states it would be the north east and wesr coast against the rest of the country geographically.

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We don't hate conservatives. Heck my own mother and father have right wing views. It is the fact they have to be drug kicking and screaming into every good idea over the last one hundred years without coming up with anything new themselves. Their social views suck. Their fiscal views are mean and selfish and supply side economics is a failure.
 
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