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Let's Put the Comey Leaked or Didn't Leak Story to Rest.

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"Jonathan Turley addresses several common arguments made on Comey’s behalf and dismantles them in turn.

First is the idea that Comey couldn’t have leaked because leaking only refers the release of classified information. An easy refutation and exceptionally odd argument to make, because, well, it’s flat-out wrong, he says. Two federal statutes (18 USC § 641 and 18 USC § 1905) and the FBI’s own non-disclosure agreement provide the relevant definitions here. All three sources show that Comey is actually, by definition, a leaker. Turley’s dismissal of this argument leaves one wondering whether those making it are simply acting out of ignorance or as part of a hope-nobody-actually-checks-this confidence scheme.

Second, Professor Turley addresses the notion that since Comey just read the contents of the memos to reporters, he wasn’t in violation of federal rules or regulations. This argument appears to be made out of whole cloth because Comey did, by his own admission, give the memos to his friend Daniel Richman. In any event, even if Comey had simply read the contents of the memos to the press, that wouldn’t augur well for his defenders. As Turley notes, “There is no Aesop exception that allows for unauthorized dissemination of information so long as it is in the form of a story.”

Much more at the link;

Law News - Law and Crime News

Also here is Turley's OP from the Hill;

http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blo...nes-the-law-on

Comey leaked, accept it, own it.
 
I haven't heard anyone say he didn't leak, just that he didn't break the law. Neither of the codes you cite address what Comey did. The links also don't work for me.

As for his NDAs, you may be right but I don't know because I don't know what they say.
 
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I haven't heard anyone say he didn't leak, just that he didn't break the law.

Quite a few have claimed it wasn't classified therefore not a leak.
 
Nobody is denying that Comey leaked those memos. The point is that what he did was not a criminal offense, rather a fireable one. But he has already been removed from his position as FBI Director, so it's whatever.
 
Quite a few have claimed it wasn't classified therefore not a leak.

I've heard people say it isn't classified but don't remember leaked being linked to classified. Either way yes, whether classified or not, he did leak information of his own admittance. Whether that was legal or not I cannot say.
 
Quite a few have claimed it wasn't classified therefore not a leak.

Ok. I agree it wasn't classified, and probably not illegal, but it was certainly a leak. Leaks are always a fireable offense, but not always a criminal one.
 
Ok. I agree it wasn't classified, and probably not illegal, but it was certainly a leak. Leaks are always a fireable offense, but not always a criminal one.

The two federal statutes (18 USC § 641 and 18 USC § 1905) and the FBI’s own non-disclosure agreement lay out a pretty compelling case of, at the very least, ethics violations and possible criminality.
 
The two federal statutes (18 USC § 641 and 18 USC § 1905) and the FBI’s own non-disclosure agreement lay out a pretty compelling case of, at the very least, ethics violations and possible criminality.

I went and read those codes after reading this OP and I don't see how Comey violated either. I can't speak to the NDAs as I haven't read them. But having signed many NDAs in my previous government career I know they don't typically bar you from discussing every single conversation you ever had in the course of your work. Criteria are provided. But all NDAs are different so until someone publishes the FBI's we can't say whether he did or didn't violate it.
 
Leaked? Yes. It's hard to imagine that Mueller, Comey's BFF, would create a situation in which Comey is in legal jeopardy though. Mueller wasn'y hired to find nothing. Given the history of Mueller, and Comey, others in that select group, the entire effort is to find something, however small, on which to hang a prosecution. I expect no less here, and Comey may achieve the Sainthood he seems to desire.
 
Comey leaked, accept it, own it.

Mr. Comey is a heroic whistle-blowing patriot who is unwilling (unlike others here and elsewhere) to see this nation's legacy and reputation flushed down the toilet by the Trump Administration and its GOP lap dogs.
 
The two federal statutes (18 USC § 641 and 18 USC § 1905) and the FBI’s own non-disclosure agreement lay out a pretty compelling case of, at the very least, ethics violations and possible criminality.

Ethics violations aren't criminal. Criminal violations are.
 
Mr. Comey is a heroic whistle-blowing patriot who is unwilling (unlike others here and elsewhere) to see this nation's legacy and reputation flushed down the toilet by the Trump Administration and its GOP lap dogs.

Turley spoke to the so called whistle-blowing logic;

Finally, Turley goes after the idea that James Comey is a protected whistleblower. Simply put, the professor says this is just false. Federal whistleblower protections require certain actions, including the proactive claiming of such protection–which Comey has not done, Turley says. The professor writes:

If these memos constitute FBI information (as they appear), Comey had no authority under whistleblower laws to remove them and disseminate the information. Indeed, had an agent made such disclosure while Comey was director, he would not likely have been so forgiving or casual toward the disclosures.
 
Turley spoke to the so called whistle-blowing logic;

Finally, Turley goes after the idea that James Comey is a protected whistleblower. Simply put, the professor says this is just false. Federal whistleblower protections require certain actions, including the proactive claiming of such protection–which Comey has not done, Turley says. The professor writes:

If these memos constitute FBI information (as they appear), Comey had no authority under whistleblower laws to remove them and disseminate the information. Indeed, had an agent made such disclosure while Comey was director, he would not likely have been so forgiving or casual toward the disclosures.

Well... you know, if Turley said so...:roll:
 
Ethics violations aren't criminal. Criminal violations are.

Although I don't believe these violations go beyond the ethics explained in Turley's OP, it is true that some ethics violations result in criminal sanctions.
 
Mr. Comey is a heroic whistle-blowing patriot who is unwilling (unlike others here and elsewhere) to see this nation's legacy and reputation flushed down the toilet by the Trump Administration and its GOP lap dogs.
You kidding me?

This joker misled, lied and perjured himself several times under oath, leaked, caused the entire nation many months of unnecessary misery by not quelling the outrageous continued promulagation of a stupidly and cynically misguided excuse for Hillary' humilating defeat. My feeling is that the implausible Russian collusion with team Trump was also initiated to give the termites gnawing at our republic time to distract/ cover tracks of illegal surveillance as well as other misdeeds that they expected to continue...but shock...

Hillary wasn't elected. Replacement underwear sales must have gone through the roof on Nov 9 in DC, that and for crying towels.
 
You kidding me?

This joker misled, lied and perjured himself several times under oath, leaked, caused the entire nation many months of unnecessary misery by not quelling the outrageous continued promulagation of a stupidly and cynically misguided excuse for Hillary' humilating defeat. My feeling is that the implausible Russian collusion with team Trump was also initiated to give the termites gnawing at our republic time to distract/ cover tracks of illegal surveillance as well as other misdeeds that they expected to continue...but shock...

Hillary wasn't elected. Replacement underwear sales must have gone through the roof on Nov 9 in DC, that and for crying towels.

"Our republic?" :lol:
What would you know about the political climate in the US from your perch in Panama (or Australia), or whatever far-flung locale you are bloviating from?

Comey is certainly redeeming himself for the way he handled the leaks from the rogue NY FBI office that delivered the presidency to Trump.
 
"Jonathan Turley addresses several common arguments made on Comey’s behalf and dismantles them in turn.

First is the idea that Comey couldn’t have leaked because leaking only refers the release of classified information. An easy refutation and exceptionally odd argument to make, because, well, it’s flat-out wrong, he says. Two federal statutes (18 USC § 641 and 18 USC § 1905) and the FBI’s own non-disclosure agreement provide the relevant definitions here. All three sources show that Comey is actually, by definition, a leaker. Turley’s dismissal of this argument leaves one wondering whether those making it are simply acting out of ignorance or as part of a hope-nobody-actually-checks-this confidence scheme.

Second, Professor Turley addresses the notion that since Comey just read the contents of the memos to reporters, he wasn’t in violation of federal rules or regulations. This argument appears to be made out of whole cloth because Comey did, by his own admission, give the memos to his friend Daniel Richman. In any event, even if Comey had simply read the contents of the memos to the press, that wouldn’t augur well for his defenders. As Turley notes, “There is no Aesop exception that allows for unauthorized dissemination of information so long as it is in the form of a story.”

Much more at the link;

Law News - Law and Crime News

Also here is Turley's OP from the Hill;

Page Not Found | 404 | TheHill

Comey leaked, accept it, own it.

LOL...you won't get away with that red herring.

You say Comey leaked, and then quote laws that do not use or define "leak". In other words, they don't recognize your term of art, so it is impossible to say they back up your claim.

You can't even begin the discussion with defining what YOU MEAN, by leak.
 
Feel free to refute Turley's legal opinion.

Well, I guess I'll just have to yield to your appeal to authority then...
Regardless... "leaker" or "whistleblower", I am happy that Comey is finally standing tall and doing the right thing for our nation.:shrug:
 
"Our republic?" :lol:
What would you know about the political climate in the US from your perch in Panama (or Australia), or whatever far-flung locale you are bloviating from?

Comey is certainly redeeming himself for the way he handled the leaks from the rogue NY FBI office that delivered the presidency to Trump.

Degrees in History and Political Science, teaching both subjects for 17 years after public sector careers. Born an American and very proud and lucky/appreciative of that world lottery win. Very grateful of our proud history and heritage and very keen to retain all that is great in our country so we can leave it to our deserving posterity.

Where I choose to live, having been granted, having worked hard at those, the opportunities America offers, is not really any of your concern, now is it?

Yes, "our republic". Understand the term?

Comey ^dashed, sank all built up lefties hopes regarding Trump and Russian collusion, happily called to attention Lynch's election manipulation/covering Hill' huge ass...and will be forever known as a low life leaker, has cemented himself in new shoes fitted for his next swim in Liar's Lake.

I am hoping, along with his Barry Insane admin co- conspirators, all have their applications for public housing along with the accompanying orange garb, approved by the courts.
 
Degrees in History and Political Science, teaching both subjects for 17 years after public sector careers. Born an American and very proud and lucky/appreciative of that world lottery win. Very grateful of our proud history and heritage and very keen to retain all that is great in our country so we can leave it to our deserving posterity.

Where I choose to live, having been granted, having worked hard at those, the opportunities America offers, is not really any of your concern, now is it?

Yes, "our republic". Understand the term?

Comey ^dashed, sank all built up lefties hopes regarding Trump and Russian collusion, happily called to attention Lynch's election manipulation/covering Hill' huge ass...and will be forever known as a low life leaker, has cemented himself in new shoes fitted for his next swim in Liar's Lake.

I am hoping, along with his Barry Insane admin co- conspirators, all have their applications for public housing along with the accompanying orange garb, approved by the courts.

Yeah... you're clearly out-of-touch.
 
Ok. I agree it wasn't classified, and probably not illegal, but it was certainly a leak. Leaks are always a fireable offense, but not always a criminal one.

Leaks, so defined (where people simply describe conversations they had), are not always a fireable offense.
 
"Jonathan Turley addresses several common arguments made on Comey’s behalf and dismantles them in turn.

First is the idea that Comey couldn’t have leaked because leaking only refers the release of classified information. An easy refutation and exceptionally odd argument to make, because, well, it’s flat-out wrong, he says. Two federal statutes (18 USC § 641 and 18 USC § 1905) and the FBI’s own non-disclosure agreement provide the relevant definitions here. All three sources show that Comey is actually, by definition, a leaker. Turley’s dismissal of this argument leaves one wondering whether those making it are simply acting out of ignorance or as part of a hope-nobody-actually-checks-this confidence scheme.

Second, Professor Turley addresses the notion that since Comey just read the contents of the memos to reporters, he wasn’t in violation of federal rules or regulations. This argument appears to be made out of whole cloth because Comey did, by his own admission, give the memos to his friend Daniel Richman. In any event, even if Comey had simply read the contents of the memos to the press, that wouldn’t augur well for his defenders. As Turley notes, “There is no Aesop exception that allows for unauthorized dissemination of information so long as it is in the form of a story.”

Much more at the link;

Law News - Law and Crime News

Also here is Turley's OP from the Hill;

Page Not Found | 404 | TheHill

Comey leaked, accept it, own it.

Information does not have to be classified to be leaked. Comey deliberately and with forethought leaked privileged conversations to the national media. That should be considered reprehensible by the most dedicated right winger or left winger. And somebody who did that to me would be fired on the spot if I had authority to fire the person.

Your links don't work for me however.
 
Yeah... you're clearly out-of-touch.
Well, you sure put me in my place.

Given me so much in the way of substance, reasoning, facts and proof it took a nanosecond to determine you were in no manner serious about countering my capacities much less why I can consider myself, legitimately, to have a dog in this fight.

A fight against this embarrassing, totally fabricated debacle foisted upon my country.
 
Well, you sure put me in my place.

Given me so much in the way of substance, reasoning, facts and proof it took a nanosecond to determine you were in no manner serious about countering my capacities much less why I can consider myself, legitimately, to have a dog in this fight.

A fight against this embarrassing, totally fabricated debacle foisted upon my country.

It's easy for people with actual skin in the game to discount your opinion.:shrug:
 
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