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Let's Put the Comey Leaked or Didn't Leak Story to Rest.

Leaks, so defined (where people simply describe conversations they had), are not always a fireable offense.

We are probably getting too into semantics. To me a leak is when you release information your boss/supervisor doesn't necessarily want released.

When I met with President GWB he asked me how I enjoyed working at the embassy in Mexico City. He also asked if I was planning on re-enlisting.

I don't consider the above paragraph a leak.
 
We are probably getting too into semantics. To me a leak is when you release information your boss/supervisor doesn't necessarily want released.

When I met with President GWB he asked me how I enjoyed working at the embassy in Mexico City. He also asked if I was planning on re-enlisting.

I don't consider the above paragraph a leak.

I guess my issue is the idea that your boss can fire you for "leaking" when it could be as innocent as you outline. It's not really a particularly "fireable offense", unless your boss can fire you for no reason, at all.
 
LOL...you won't get away with that red herring.

You say Comey leaked, and then quote laws that do not use or define "leak". In other words, they don't recognize your term of art, so it is impossible to say they back up your claim.

You can't even begin the discussion with defining what YOU MEAN, by leak.

You're right, Jonathan Turley is clueless hack, my bad. :roll:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonathan_Turley
 
Information does not have to be classified to be leaked. Comey deliberately and with forethought leaked privileged conversations to the national media. That should be considered reprehensible by the most dedicated right winger or left winger. And somebody who did that to me would be fired on the spot if I had authority to fire the person.

Your links don't work for me however.

Sorry about the links, they worked earlier. Here's the link to Lawnewz

LawNewz - Law and Crime News

The piece in titled

"Law Professor: Accept it, Comey is a Leaker"
 
Although I don't believe these violations go beyond the ethics explained in Turley's OP, it is true that some ethics violations result in criminal sanctions.

Then those ethics violations are actually criminal ones.
 
Then those ethics violations are actually criminal ones.

Some are both. Such as, receiving 5 dollars as a payoff for awarding a contract would most likely be treated as an ethical violation, but receiving 5,000 dollars for same would most likely be treated as criminal.
 
Sorry about the links, they worked earlier. Here's the link to Lawnewz

LawNewz - Law and Crime News

The piece in titled

"Law Professor: Accept it, Comey is a Leaker"

All your link takes us to is a variety of stories on the website. You need to narrow it down to a specific story to make your point.
 
Not a legal expert but i do seem to recall that one of the arguments made ny the right during the email comtrobersy with climton that all corespimdemts with the potus are considered classified. If thats true than i would think comeys mmm otes detailing his conversation with any sitting potus would fall into that same catagory

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All your link takes us to is a variety of stories on the website. You need to narrow it down to a specific story to make your point.

The title of the story listed in my post you quoted.

"Law Professor: Accept it, Comey is a Leaker"
 
Some are both. Such as, receiving 5 dollars as a payoff for awarding a contract would most likely be treated as an ethical violation, but receiving 5,000 dollars for same would most likely be treated as criminal.

They are both criminal regardless of how they are treated.
 
The title of the story listed in my post you quoted.

"Law Professor: Accept it, Comey is a Leaker"

I'm sorry but I am not seeing that story on the website. If you can find it and open it, however, you will be able to copy and post a link to the URL for that specific story rather than a website where you saw it somewhere.
 
You're right, Jonathan Turley is clueless hack, my bad. :roll:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonathan_Turley

Anyone (including you or Mr. Turley) who says someone is a robber, and quotes a statute that defines robbery is on solid ground. However, "leaker" is not a legal term, it is slang whose meaning is highly dependent upon conventions of use. Anyone proclaiming that Comey is a leaker, and then refers to Section 1905 (for example) tells us nothing - that section does not say that unauthorized release of any confidential information constitutes "leaking".

So one first must determine what being a leaker means in conventional practice. If Prof. X says it requires release of classified information, and Prof. Y says it is the release any information, then each are just making up their own definition of what constitutes a leaker - the law does not even recognize the term.

So is Comey a leaker? Depends on what you think that term of art means, in practice.
 
Mr. Comey is a heroic whistle-blowing patriot who is unwilling (unlike others here and elsewhere) to see this nation's legacy and reputation flushed down the toilet by the Trump Administration and its GOP lap dogs.

Oh...now he's a patriot again? Hmm...
 
"Jonathan Turley addresses several common arguments made on Comey’s behalf and dismantles them in turn.

First is the idea that Comey couldn’t have leaked because leaking only refers the release of classified information. An easy refutation and exceptionally odd argument to make, because, well, it’s flat-out wrong, he says. Two federal statutes (18 USC § 641 and 18 USC § 1905) and the FBI’s own non-disclosure agreement provide the relevant definitions here. All three sources show that Comey is actually, by definition, a leaker. Turley’s dismissal of this argument leaves one wondering whether those making it are simply acting out of ignorance or as part of a hope-nobody-actually-checks-this confidence scheme.

Second, Professor Turley addresses the notion that since Comey just read the contents of the memos to reporters, he wasn’t in violation of federal rules or regulations. This argument appears to be made out of whole cloth because Comey did, by his own admission, give the memos to his friend Daniel Richman. In any event, even if Comey had simply read the contents of the memos to the press, that wouldn’t augur well for his defenders. As Turley notes, “There is no Aesop exception that allows for unauthorized dissemination of information so long as it is in the form of a story.”

Much more at the link;

Law News - Law and Crime News

Also here is Turley's OP from the Hill;

http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blo...nes-the-law-on

Comey leaked, accept it, own it.

And besides, it's not schmutz on Trump. So lets get back to the fun stuff.
 
That's the sadly funny part. He was scum when they thought he had hurt Hillary.

Every since Hillary got away with obvious violations of the law, that anyone else would be in prison for and she didn't even get indicted, I've not been pleased.
 
Every since Hillary got away with obvious violations of the law, that anyone else would be in prison for and she didn't even get indicted, I've not been pleased.

The double standard has always existed when it comes to politics, but the way Comey inserted his entirely improper opinion into all of that was certainly justification for his firing in my opinion. Most especially if he was inserting his opinion or trying to influence public opinion in any matters involving legitimate investigations by the FBI which seems to be the case.

After thinking about it, I suspect he has been leaking stuff to the media via some means for some time, and I suspect that came to the attention of President Trump. That would explain a meeting in which the subject of loyalty came up--not loyalty to the President necessarily, but loyalty to the United States Constitution, flag, and the mandates/expectations of the job. The President probably could not announce that without putting his sources in jeopardy, but I wouldn't be surprised if that wasn't the straw that broke the camel's back.
 
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