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"Comey"; my analysis based on 'Day One'

Yawn. All available credible evidence suggest that 3 and 4 actually are true.

Paying attention reaps benefits.

https://www.vox.com/2017/6/8/15761962/james-comey-testimony-donald-trump-fbi-congress-russia

The problem among right wing supporters of Trump is two fold:
1 - Denial of reality because it threatens their self imposed extreme right wing belief system,
2 - Refusal to admit that Trump or his people have done anything wrong because the political implications would then weaken their agenda in Congress

So we get delusional statements such as Russia did not hack the election and help elect Trump....... Trump did not publicly invite the Russians to get involved lat last July in Pennsylvania ..... firing Comey was not done for reasons to try and impede the investigation ....... and other such utterly ridiculous pronouncements that are simply not reality based.

I have learned here that when you come up against such people, the best is to treat them as if you were dealing with Napoleon in a rubber room.
 
The problem among right wing supporters of Trump is two fold:
1 - Denial of reality because it threatens their self imposed extreme right wing belief system,
2 - Refusal to admit that Trump or his people have done anything wrong because the political implications would then weaken their agenda in Congress

So we get delusional statements such as Russia did not hack the election and help elect Trump....... Trump did not publicly invite the Russians to get involved lat last July in Pennsylvania ..... firing Comey was not done for reasons to try and impede the investigation ....... and other such utterly ridiculous pronouncements that are simply not reality based.

I have learned here that when you come up against such people, the best is to treat them as if you were dealing with Napoleon in a rubber room.

Trump is not, nor has he ever been under investigation over the Russia issue that has you bouncing off the walls of the rubber room. There was no collusion and any difficulties Flynn or Manafort have are of their own making and wont touch the president. Time for you to come to terms with that.
 
Trump is not, nor has he ever been under investigation over the Russia issue that has you bouncing off the walls of the rubber room. There was no collusion and any difficulties Flynn or Manafort have are of their own making and wont touch the president. Time for you to come to terms with that.

What is under investigation is Russian involvement in the US election. That is the subject of the investigations. Any person associated with that can become a subject in the investigation at any time depending on developments in the investigation and that includes Trump.

It is far far far too early to make definitive sweeping statements that there was no collision or difficulties with Flynn or Manafort as those matters are still being looked into.

We have only seen the tip of this iceberg and much much more is going to be revealed in time.

That is the reality of the situation.
 
What is under investigation is Russian involvement in the US election. That is the subject of the investigations. Any person associated with that can become a subject in the investigation at any time depending on developments in the investigation and that includes Trump.

It is far far far too early to make definitive sweeping statements that there was no collision or difficulties with Flynn or Manafort as those matters are still being looked into.

We have only seen the tip of this iceberg and much much more is going to be revealed in time.

That is the reality of the situation.
No, you are expressing what you hope to be true, not what is true.
 
No, you are expressing what you hope to be true, not what is true.

I gave you reality.

I did not give you far right wing self delusion which far too many dwell in and view as their standard.
 
your rebuttal is terrible

suggest true....:doh

if you had listen to comey himself talk as i did instead of getting yours with a media talking head, you would know what you are talking about but you dont

again for you

comey stated trump was not under investigation

Comey stated he wasn't under investigation at that time. Big diff.
comey stated trump told him, he wanted the investigation to find out if anyone in the admin had russian ties

No. He didn't.
comey stated trump did not ask him to drop the case on Flynn.

He also stated he was fired in order to either influence or end the investigation.

You don't seem all that familair with the details of this case.
 
The 5 Primary Talking Points:

(1) Comey is threateningly tall and disarmingly handsome in a boyish sorta way but lying beneath this manly alluring facade lies an insidious, sinister and pernicious hero to the far-left whose mission is to annihilate the 45th POTUS.

Comey held a press conference bitching out Clinton for her email practices, he made the public aware that he reopened the investigation days before the election, in open testimony he talked about how Loretta Lynch asked him to change the messaging on the Clinton Email investigation. If Comey is a partisan that's out to gut Republicans and be a hero to the left he's doing a bad job of it. You're analysis is breath takingly unaware and incredibly unrealistic.
 
Comey stated he wasn't under investigation at that time. Big diff.

No. He didn't.

He also stated he was fired in order to either influence or end the investigation.

You don't seem all that familair with the details of this case.

you cannot even understand the speculation put forth by the media talking head you listen to, instead of facts.

trump was told by comey that he was not under investigation, however the media was still reporting trump was, trump told comey he wanted the cloud removed, the cloud being being the false media reporting.

however comedy did not remove the cloud by telling the media trump was not under investigation, which is believed to be the reason why comey was fired.

in comey's own testimony..... he states i told the president he was not under investigation, the president said the wanted the investigation in order the find out if anyone in the admin had russian ties.

comey was asked by the committee if trump wanted the investigation stopped, and he answered no, but he thought the way trump talked about the flynn matter was inappropriate
 
you cannot even understand the speculation put forth by the media talking head you listen to, instead of facts.

Thing is, I understand what's going on. It's how I know you don't.
trump was told by comey that he was not under investigation, however the media was still reporting trump was, trump told comey he wanted the cloud removed, the cloud being being the false media reporting.

No. The 'cloud' had/has to do with the Russia probe, not false reporting.
however comedy did not remove the cloud by telling the media trump was not under investigation, which is believed to be the reason why comey was fired.

He was fired to end the Russia probe, according to Trump's own statments. That you don't know this speaks volumes.
in comey's own testimony..... he states i told the president he was not under investigation, the president said the wanted the investigation in order the find out if anyone in the admin had russian ties.

Indeed. At the time, he wasn't. He very well could be now.
comey was asked by the committee if trump wanted the investigation stopped, and he answered no, but he thought the way trump talked about the flynn matter was inappropriate

And yet according to Trump's own statements, he wanted the investigation ended.

You have no idea what you're talking about.
 
Thing is, I understand what's going on. It's how I know you don't.

No. The 'cloud' had/has to do with the Russia probe, not false reporting.

He was fired to end the Russia probe, according to Trump's own statments. That you don't know this speaks volumes.

Indeed. At the time, he wasn't. He very well could be now.

And yet according to Trump's own statements, he wanted the investigation ended.

You have no idea what you're talking about.

you hear what you want to heard, instead of listening to comey's testimony
 
you hear what you want to heard, instead of listening to comey's testimony

No, I heard all of Comey's testimony and understood it all; it was in very plain and straightforward language.

Unlike you, I accept it and don't live in mortal fear of it.
 
No, I heard all of Comey's testimony and understood it all; it was in very plain and straightforward language.

Unlike you, I accept it and don't live in mortal fear of it.

you run on speculation, not fact and thats your problem in posting
 
why?, if you heard comey, trump was not under investigation, in fact comey said trump told him it would be a good thing for the investigation, to find anyone in his administration with russian ties

Why? Because during Lester Holt's interview with Trump, he said this about his reasoning for firing Comey:

"And in fact when I decided to just do it, I said to myself, I said 'you know, this Russia thing with Trump and Russia is a made-up story, it's an excuse by the Democrats for having lost an election that they should have won'."

And looking at his statement to Comey (how he "hoped" he could let Flynn go) it's pretty obvious that Trump was trying to pressure Comey into dropping it.

It may have not been obstruction of justice (or at least it would be extremely difficult to prove that it was, given the evidence currently available), but it was definitely a stupid thing for him to do.
 
Yep; those tall attractive silver tongue politicians with beautiful smiles, who can capture your trust and admiration by spoon feeding you half facts, meaningless information and wonderful promises, usually become very successful candidates.

It's long been part of the genetic programming common to most genus Homo Sapiens.

"Beware the piper as you follow singing and dancing, while he plays his beautiful tune"

You're the one that seems to be a big fan of half-facts and meaningless information.
 
Why? Because during Lester Holt's interview with Trump, he said this about his reasoning for firing Comey:



And looking at his statement to Comey (how he "hoped" he could let Flynn go) it's pretty obvious that Trump was trying to pressure Comey into dropping it.

It may have not been obstruction of justice (or at least it would be extremely difficult to prove that it was, given the evidence currently available), but it was definitely a stupid thing for him to do.

i did not give a direct reason of why comey was fired, but only what has been put forth as a reason and that is because comey would not clear the air [lift the cloud] trump was talking about.

the media was continuing to report trump was under investigation, ..but comey had already told trump he was not.

in the testimony comey states when trump knew he was not under investigation he told comey that the investigation was good because trump wanted to know if anyone in the admin had russian ties.


trumps behavior was inappropriate, it was not illegal.
 
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i did not give a direct reason of why comey was fired, but only what has been put forth as a reason and that is because comedy would not clear the air [lift the cloud] trump was talking about.

Eh? What's comedy got to do with anything?

the media was continuing to report trump was under investigation, ..but comey had already told trump he was not.

Okay? I have no idea if that's even the case, but that doesn't address a single thing I said in my post.

in the testimony comey states when trump knew he was not under investigation he told comey that the investigation was good because trump wanted to know if anyone in the admin had russian ties.

I already know that. Still, doesn't address Trump's stated reasoning behind the decision go fire Comey (coming from his own mouth, which also contradicted the narrative his surrogates were dishing out to the press).
 
Eh? What's comedy got to do with anything?


Okay? I have no idea if that's even the case, but that doesn't address a single thing I said in my post.

I already know that. Still, doesn't address Trump's stated reasoning behind the decision go fire Comey (coming from his own mouth, which also contradicted the narrative his surrogates were dishing out to the press).

what has comey got to do with it?...well since the OP states comey, its seems he should be part of the conversation.

your post -"And in fact when I decided to just do it, I said to myself, I said 'you know, this Russia thing with Trump and Russia is a made-up story, it's an excuse by the Democrats for having lost an election that they should have won'."

you seem to want me to address your quote above, and i am only stating what comey said in his testimony.

comey -trump was not under investigation

comey - trump said the investigation was good, because he wanted to know it any admin people had Russian ties.

it is not known the exact reason why comey was fired, but comey had already told trump he was not under investigation, it is believed that he was fired because he did not lift the cloud , trump told him to lift several times
 
Comey stated he wasn't under investigation at that time. Big diff.

No. He didn't.

He also stated he was fired in order to either influence or end the investigation.

You don't seem all that familair with the details of this case.

Indeed.

an important exchange:

SEN. RON WYDEN: ...In talking to senator Warner about this dinner that you had with the president, I believe January 27th, all in one dinner, the president raised your job prospects, he asked for your loyalty and denied allegations against him. All took place over one supper. Now, you told senator Warner that the president was looking to, quote, get something. Looking back, did that dinner suggest that your job might be contingent on how you handled the investigation?

COMEY: I don't know that I'd go that far. I got the sense my job would be contingent upon how he felt I — excuse me — how he felt I conducted myself and whether I demonstrated loyalty. But I don't know whether I'd go so far as to connect it to the investigation.

WYDEN: He said the president was trying to create some sort of patronage. Behaving in a manner consistent with the wishes of the boss?

COMEY: Yes. At least consider how what you're doing will affect the boss as a significant consideration.

WYDEN: Let me turn to the attorney general. In your statement, you said that you and the FBI leadership team decided not to discuss the president's actions with Attorney General Sessions, even though he had not recused himself. What was it about the attorney general's interactions with the Russians or his behavior with regard to the investigation that would have led the entire leadership of the FBI to make this decision?

COMEY: Our judgment, as I recall, is that he was very close to and inevitably going to recuse himself for a variety of reasons. We also were aware of facts that I can't discuss in an opening setting that would make his continued engagement in a Russia-related investigation problematic. So we were convinced — in fact, I think we'd already heard the career people were recommending that he recuse himself, that he was not going to be in contact with Russia-related matters much longer. That turned out to be the case.

WYDEN: How would you characterize Attorney General Sessions's adherence to his recusal? In particular, with regard to his involvement in your firing, which the president has acknowledged was because of the Russian investigation.

COMEY: That's a question I can't answer. I think it is a reasonable question. If, as the president said, I was fired because of the Russia investigation, why was the attorney general involved in that chain? I don't know. So I don't have an answer for the question.

WYDEN: Your testimony was that the president's request about Flynn could infect investigation. Had the president got what he wanted and what he asked of you, what would have been the effect on the investigation?

COMEY: We would have closed any investigation of general Flynn in connection with his statements and encounters — statements about encounters with Russians in the late part of December. We would have dropped an open criminal investigation.

WYDEN: So in effect, when you talk about infecting the enterprise, you would have dropped something major that would have spoken to the overall ability of the American people to get the facts?

COMEY: Correct. And as good as our people are, our judgment was, we don't want them hearing that the president of the United States wants this to go away because it might have an effect on their ability to be fair, impartial and aggressive.

Full text: James Comey testimony transcript on Trump and Russia - POLITICO
 
what has comey got to do with it?...well since the OP states comey, its seems he should be part of the conversation.

You said comedy, not comey. I'm assuming that was a typo.

your post -"And in fact when I decided to just do it, I said to myself, I said 'you know, this Russia thing with Trump and Russia is a made-up story, it's an excuse by the Democrats for having lost an election that they should have won'."

you seem to want me to address your quote above, and i am only stating what comey said in his testimony.

comey -trump was not under investigation

comey - trump said the investigation was good, because he wanted to know it any admin people had Russian ties.

Yes, I'd like you to address what I posted, instead of just repeating the same things over and over again.

it is not known the exact reason why comey was fired, but comey had already told trump he was not under investigation, it is believed that he was fired because he did not lift the cloud , trump told him to lift several times

I'm going to stop you right there. The reason is known. Trump himself (meaning in his own words) gave his reasoning for firing Comey in that interview.
 
You said comedy, not comey. I'm assuming that was a typo.

my iMac tries to self correct me



Yes, I'd like you to address what I posted, instead of just repeating the same things over and over again.

why must i address your post, when that is not what i was talking about?



I'm going to stop you right there. The reason is known. Trump himself (meaning in his own words) gave his reasoning for firing Comey in that interview.


it is not known the exact reason why comey was fired,

it has been stated by me from Alan Dershowitz .......trump fired comey over the cloud, which comey did not lift which trump had told him several times to do.

the cloud is = trump not under investigation over Russian collusion to the media
 
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it is not known the exact reason why comey was fired,

it has been stated by me from Alan Dershowitz .......trump fired comey over the cloud, which comey did not lift which trump had told him several times to do.

the cloud is = trump not under investigation over Russian collusion to the media

I really don't care what Trump's lawyer said. I'm quoting from Trump himself, not his lawyer. His lawyer is going to try to make him look as good as possible; it's his job. Trump's own statements in that interview do not align with his lawyer's statement, for the reasoning behind why Comey was fired.
 
I really don't care what Trump's lawyer said. I'm quoting from Trump himself, not his lawyer. His lawyer is going to try to make him look as good as possible; it's his job. Trump's own statements in that interview do not align with his lawyer's statement, for the reasoning behind why Comey was fired.

iam not quoting his lawyer.

i started by quoting comey and what he said.

comeys firing.......IS over russia

but it has been stated because comey WOULD NOT LIFT THE CLOUD, is why he was fired
 
newp. I run on the facts provided by comey's testimony.

You run in fear of them.

you are never going to run on facts, because you are an emotion based person and everything for you in politics is based on how you feel, and you arguing on feelings is a losing position for you
 
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