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After the reaction to the Comey opening statement yesterday, I am more convinced than ever that nothing Trump does will ever get GOP members in Congress and around the nation to openly break with him. The Comey statement seems to be something of an inkblot test where the viewer takes away what they brought with them in the first place. If you do not like Trump - it shows he committed obstruction of justice and needs to be removed from office. If you like Trump, you see vindication and that big "nothing burger" that seems the meal of choice for the GOP these days.

But what if somebody found Trump having said this early in 2016:

"We need all the help we can get and if the Russians or anybody else can give us some dirt on that bitch Crooked Hillary - damn it, lets use it. See what we can do to advance that and lets work a deal with anybody who can help us win in November."

Would anything short of that convince the current Trump apologists to finally turn against him?
 
haymarket said:
After the reaction to the Comey opening statement yesterday, I am more convinced than ever that nothing Trump does will ever get GOP members in Congress and around the nation to openly break with him. The Comey statement seems to be something of an inkblot test where the viewer takes away what they brought with them in the first place. If you do not like Trump - it shows he committed obstruction of justice and needs to be removed from office. If you like Trump, you see vindication and that big "nothing burger" that seems the meal of choice for the GOP these days.

But what if somebody found Trump having said this early in 2016:

"We need all the help we can get and if the Russians or anybody else can give us some dirt on that bitch Crooked Hillary - damn it, lets use it. See what we can do to advance that and lets work a deal with anybody who can help us win in November."

Would anything short of that convince the current Trump apologists to finally turn against him?
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I don't think so. What some don't get is that people voted for Trump because of his policies and because they were sick of what was going on in the country. Certainly not because of his smooth talking ways. IMO he was voted in as a rebellion to the status quo and to change the then current direction.

In that vein, mission accomplished.
 
Okay, I don't like Trump, and I still can't say for certain that it was obstruction of justice. I think you could make an argument for it, but proving intent in this case might prove to be a very difficult task.
 
haymarket said:
After the reaction to the Comey opening statement yesterday, I am more convinced than ever that nothing Trump does will ever get GOP members in Congress and around the nation to openly break with him. The Comey statement seems to be something of an inkblot test where the viewer takes away what they brought with them in the first place. If you do not like Trump - it shows he committed obstruction of justice and needs to be removed from office. If you like Trump, you see vindication and that big "nothing burger" that seems the meal of choice for the GOP these days.

But what if somebody found Trump having said this early in 2016:

"We need all the help we can get and if the Russians or anybody else can give us some dirt on that bitch Crooked Hillary - damn it, lets use it. See what we can do to advance that and lets work a deal with anybody who can help us win in November."

Would anything short of that convince the current Trump apologists to finally turn against him?
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Well, the four yesterday cooled Democrats' high hopes on this issue. Now Comey is saying extremely guarded stuff regarding discussions behind closed doors and tends to contradict yesterday's news about the guy that fired him.
So sure, it is no compliment and read as Comey hints it should be, is quite negative, but probably not criminal.

You certainly need the recordings. This can only lead to more stupid accusations and ill conceived as it was doomed from the start.
 
TheGoverness said:
Okay, I don't like Trump, and I still can't say for certain that it was obstruction of justice. I think you could make an argument for it, but proving intent in this case might prove to be a very difficult task.
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Maybe and really only very maybe, videos of the meeting could be persuasive. As it is, what someone believes will be totally up to their predisposition.
 
holbritter said:
I don't think so. What some don't get is that people voted for Trump because of his policies and because they were sick of what was going on in the country. Certainly not because of his smooth talking ways. IMO he was voted in as a rebellion to the status quo and to change the then current direction.

In that vein, mission accomplished.
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If it were smooth talkers they had wanted, Comey could have made the perfect candidate.
 
TheGoverness said:
Okay, I don't like Trump, and I still can't say for certain that it was obstruction of justice. I think you could make an argument for it, but proving intent in this case might prove to be a very difficult task.
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I think you're correct. There was no bribery, murder, intimidation, and the use of physical force against witnesses, law enforcement officers or court officials.
 
haymarket said:
After the reaction to the Comey opening statement yesterday, I am more convinced than ever that nothing Trump does will ever get GOP members in Congress and around the nation to openly break with him. The Comey statement seems to be something of an inkblot test where the viewer takes away what they brought with them in the first place. If you do not like Trump - it shows he committed obstruction of justice and needs to be removed from office. If you like Trump, you see vindication and that big "nothing burger" that seems the meal of choice for the GOP these days.

But what if somebody found Trump having said this early in 2016:

"We need all the help we can get and if the Russians or anybody else can give us some dirt on that bitch Crooked Hillary - damn it, lets use it. See what we can do to advance that and lets work a deal with anybody who can help us win in November."

Would anything short of that convince the current Trump apologists to finally turn against him?
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President Trump has been under constant #ResistTrump attack from the moment opponents on the left realized he won the electoral college vote.

The shock of his win turned into a mindless emotion-driven efforts to undermine him and get him out of office by hook or crook.

Supported by the MSM who have reported misinformation, innuendo, and outright fabrications on a daily basis, the butt-hurt Left has been pushing every possible narrative to prevent him from keeping office.

There was the recount effort, the voter fraud allegations, the vote hacking allegations, the mental health allegations, the twisting of every single action into the most negative light possible...ALL on either no evidence, or resting on the flimsiest evidence against someone on his team touted as showing something...ANYTHING must mean he has done something to deserve all this hate.

There has been leak after leak, not to mention outright rebellion from "former and current" officials of the previous administration while Trump was trying to do his job.

Finally, constant efforts to show he could not have won fair and square, no; the RUSSIANS did it and he was colluding with them. :doh

Is there any wonder he would seek to learn if any holdovers, including Mr. Comey, were "loyal" or not?

I am appalled at this effort and hence my strong defense of this President, whenever issues like this OP are raised.

You are now creating a straw man fallacy with this "What if he said" thread. He did not say this, it is not an issue.

What is and always has been the issue is the rabid, attack-dog style of constant subversive undermining of a duly elected President that I find unprecedented in American history.

IMO it is the people who are so hot to drive the man out of office by any means necessary that are the truly deluded, and the ones harming our nation is ways they simply fail to comprehend.
 
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BTW: many of us who oppose Hillary have at least thought what you implied Trump saying.
 
haymarket said:
After the reaction to the Comey opening statement yesterday, I am more convinced than ever that nothing Trump does will ever get GOP members in Congress and around the nation to openly break with him. The Comey statement seems to be something of an inkblot test where the viewer takes away what they brought with them in the first place. If you do not like Trump - it shows he committed obstruction of justice and needs to be removed from office. If you like Trump, you see vindication and that big "nothing burger" that seems the meal of choice for the GOP these days.

But what if somebody found Trump having said this early in 2016:

"We need all the help we can get and if the Russians or anybody else can give us some dirt on that bitch Crooked Hillary - damn it, lets use it. See what we can do to advance that and lets work a deal with anybody who can help us win in November."

Would anything short of that convince the current Trump apologists to finally turn against him?
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Of the few people I have seen step back, rethink their support, and say, "Whoa, this Trump guy sure does seem to be causing a lot of problems," most follow the same strange trajectory. They defend him to the death when confronted, but when left alone to their own thoughts, they seem to say the darnedest things out of nowhere. And, then they leave you thinking, "This guy has his doubts after all."

I'm not sure what it is specifically that finally breaks them from their hypnotic state. Maybe, it's seeing that what they really want done is not getting done. Maybe it's finally being embarased by his silly tweets. Maybe a few of them really do wonder if he didn't sell out to the Russians. Maybe all of Trump's self-inflicted injuries are giving them pause. Or, just maybe, the drama created by this asshole is finally wearing on them. :shrug:

One thing is for sure. His support is eroding. But, we won't see it from those who we confront directly. They will simply continue to dig in their heels.
 
joG said:
Well, the four yesterday cooled Democrats' high hopes on this issue. Now Comey is saying extremely guarded stuff regarding discussions behind closed doors and tends to contradict yesterday's news about the guy that fired him.
So sure, it is no compliment and read as Comey hints it should be, is quite negative, but probably not criminal.

You certainly need the recordings. This can only lead to more stupid accusations and ill conceived as it was doomed from the start.
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You have perfectly explained why these investigations need to stop.

Once again the search turns up nothing and once again that nothing is used as the reason to investigate again.

If there was something there, if there was real, tangible evidence of collusion y'all might be picking up speed but so far it's all accusations, speculations and innuendo. The left is promising everyone a steak dinner but so far haven't even unwrapped a fast food hamburger.
 
Captain Adverse said:
President Trump has been under constant #ResistTrump attack from the moment opponents on the left realized he won the electoral college vote.

The shock of his win turned into a mindless emotion-driven efforts to undermine him and get him out of office by hook or crook.

Supported by the MSM who have reported misinformation, innuendo, and outright fabrications on a daily basis, the butt-hurt Left has been pushing every possible narrative to prevent him from keeping office.

There was the recount effort, the voter fraud allegations, the vote hacking allegations, the mental health allegations, the twisting of every single action into the most negative light possible...ALL on either no evidence, or resting on the flimsiest evidence against someone on his team touted as showing something...ANYTHING must mean he has done something to deserve all this hate.

There has been leak after leak, not to mention outright rebellion from "former and current" officials of the previous administration while Trump was trying to do his job.

Finally, constant efforts to show he could not have won fair and square, no; the RUSSIANS did it and he was colluding with them. :doh

Is there any wonder he would seek to learn if any holdovers, including Mr. Comey, were "loyal" or not?

I am appalled at this effort and hence my strong defense of this President, whenever issues like this OP are raised.

You are now creating a straw man fallacy with this "What if he said" thread. He did not say this, it is not an issue.

What is and always has been the issue is the rabid, attack-dog style of constant subversive undermining of a duly elected President that I find unprecedented in American history.

IMO it is the people who are so hot to drive the man out of office by any means necessary that are the truly deluded, and the ones harming our nation is ways they simply fail to comprehend.
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Great post Captain! :yt

The OP is representative of exactly what you wrote. The question asked was "Would anything short....".

I would think a more relevant question would be "How low are you willing to go..."

The psychological break triggered in so many Anti Trump people is amazing. Objectivity and rational reflection have ceased to exist within many of them.
 
Conaeolos said:
OR his support has always been a cautious support considering he's an untested entity; more of a “better worse case” and what you’re seeing as a hypnotic defence is in fact a general rebuttal to what is seen as blind support in a status quo which is out of touch and out of control, a general dissatifaction which also appears in the polls.

In other words, yes people will dump trump and his unrefined way in a second. When a viable political alternative emerges.
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Or maybe some people are just waking up to the fact that status quo was never really all that bad. I say that only because the people from whom I hear this new Trump-doubt emerge are those who have it pretty good. Professionals or retirees living on 6-figure incomes, all of them with a minimum of high 5-figure yearly returns on investments.

Seriously, if you are bringing in about two to three hundred K in income, fifty sixty thous of it from a steadily rising stock market, what the hell was there really to gripe about with Obama? I certainly had nothing to bitch about. But, yeah, now--with all the uncertainty Trump brings to the table--people are rightly becoming worried. Status quo equals stability, at least in the short term.
 
haymarket said:
After the reaction to the Comey opening statement yesterday, I am more convinced than ever that nothing Trump does will ever get GOP members in Congress and around the nation to openly break with him. The Comey statement seems to be something of an inkblot test where the viewer takes away what they brought with them in the first place. If you do not like Trump - it shows he committed obstruction of justice and needs to be removed from office. If you like Trump, you see vindication and that big "nothing burger" that seems the meal of choice for the GOP these days.

But what if somebody found Trump having said this early in 2016:

"We need all the help we can get and if the Russians or anybody else can give us some dirt on that bitch Crooked Hillary - damn it, lets use it. See what we can do to advance that and lets work a deal with anybody who can help us win in November."

Would anything short of that convince the current Trump apologists to finally turn against him?
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I think the bigger question is, how many utterly moronic, idiotic hypotheticals, will Libs dream up before they are able to actually get over the fact that they lost in November? :roll:
 
Captain Adverse said:
President Trump has been under constant #ResistTrump attack from the moment opponents on the left realized he won the electoral college vote.

The shock of his win turned into a mindless emotion-driven efforts to undermine him and get him out of office by hook or crook.

Supported by the MSM who have reported misinformation, innuendo, and outright fabrications on a daily basis, the butt-hurt Left has been pushing every possible narrative to prevent him from keeping office.

There was the recount effort, the voter fraud allegations, the vote hacking allegations, the mental health allegations, the twisting of every single action into the most negative light possible...ALL on either no evidence, or resting on the flimsiest evidence against someone on his team touted as showing something...ANYTHING must mean he has done something to deserve all this hate.

There has been leak after leak, not to mention outright rebellion from "former and current" officials of the previous administration while Trump was trying to do his job.

Finally, constant efforts to show he could not have won fair and square, no; the RUSSIANS did it and he was colluding with them. :doh

Is there any wonder he would seek to learn if any holdovers, including Mr. Comey, were "loyal" or not?

I am appalled at this effort and hence my strong defense of this President, whenever issues like this OP are raised.

You are now creating a straw man fallacy with this "What if he said" thread. He did not say this, it is not an issue.

What is and always has been the issue is the rabid, attack-dog style of constant subversive undermining of a duly elected President that I find unprecedented in American history.

IMO it is the people who are so hot to drive the man out of office by any means necessary that are the truly deluded, and the ones harming our nation is ways they simply fail to comprehend.
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Good morning, Captain Adverse. :2wave:

Well said! :thumbs: I believe you are speaking for a lot of people who are trying to make sense of what the ongoing effort to remove Trump really means, and what it is supposed to accomplish in the long run, because it is not rational!

Until the investigations are accomplished, we will have to wait for whatever decision is forthcoming - when all the facts are known - but until then, this just sounds like a lot of unnecessary noise being made either to continue to stay relevant in the daily news cycle, or possibly to divert our attention from other facts that some would prefer not to become public knowledge! :thumbdown:
 
haymarket said:
After the reaction to the Comey opening statement yesterday, I am more convinced than ever that nothing Trump does will ever get GOP members in Congress and around the nation to openly break with him. The Comey statement seems to be something of an inkblot test where the viewer takes away what they brought with them in the first place. If you do not like Trump - it shows he committed obstruction of justice and needs to be removed from office. If you like Trump, you see vindication and that big "nothing burger" that seems the meal of choice for the GOP these days.

But what if somebody found Trump having said this early in 2016:

"We need all the help we can get and if the Russians or anybody else can give us some dirt on that bitch Crooked Hillary - damn it, lets use it. See what we can do to advance that and lets work a deal with anybody who can help us win in November."

Would anything short of that convince the current Trump apologists to finally turn against him?
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The left has become the party of "what ifs". Your thread title had me laughing before I even read the OP.
 
TheGoverness said:
Okay, I don't like Trump, and I still can't say for certain that it was obstruction of justice. I think you could make an argument for it, but proving intent in this case might prove to be a very difficult task.
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The rabid left knows what they heard.
 
calamity said:
Of the few people I have seen step back, rethink their support, and say, "Whoa, this Trump guy sure does seem to be causing a lot of problems," most follow the same strange trajectory. They defend him to the death when confronted, but when left alone to their own thoughts, they seem to say the darnedest things out of nowhere. And, then they leave you thinking, "This guy has his doubts after all."

I'm not sure what it is specifically that finally breaks them from their hypnotic state. Maybe, it's seeing that what they really want done is not getting done. Maybe it's finally being embarased by his silly tweets. Maybe a few of them really do wonder if he didn't sell out to the Russians. Maybe all of Trump's self-inflicted injuries are giving them pause. Or, just maybe, the drama created by this asshole is finally wearing on them. :shrug:

One thing is for sure. His support is eroding. But, we won't see it from those who we confront directly. They will simply continue to dig in their heels.
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It only appears that way to you because you will attack him to the death.
 
calamity said:
Or maybe some people are just waking up to the fact that status quo was never really all that bad. I say that only because the people from whom I hear this new Trump-doubt emerge are those who have it pretty good. Professionals or retirees living on 6-figure incomes, all of them with a minimum of high 5-figure yearly returns on investments.

Seriously, if you are bringing in about two to three hundred K in income, fifty sixty thous of it from a steadily rising stock market, what the hell was there really to gripe about with Obama? I certainly had nothing to bitch about. But, yeah, now--with all the uncertainty Trump brings to the table--people are rightly becoming worried. Status quo equals stability, at least in the short term.
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Liberals have gone too far in many areas and needed their agenda stopped in it's tracks.
 
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