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Is civility officially dead?

CriticalThought said:
I do hate Trump supporters. What does that have to do with this thread? I am quite civil, even with those I hate
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He seems to equate free speech and violence. Maybe that's indicative of the overarching problem.
 
Cardinal said:
He threw him to the ground and began punching him, according to the Fox News team's account of the incident. This caused the police to charge him with misdemeanor assault. That you're continuing to play down Gianforte's action is evidence of what I'm saying: the Republican Party is philosophically and morally bankrupt.
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I was basing it on the comment from the guy who got attacked: "Greg Gianforte just body slammed me and broke my glasses." No mention of getting punched.
 
CriticalThought said:
That is where this all leads. Now it is a game of, "well your tribe is worse!" instead of, "this type of behavior in unacceptable from anyone."
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Actually, you are projecting, again ( for the third time) I specifically said he is not fit for office. Got that? Critical Thinker.

Now try owning and condemning it on your side.
 
Cardinal said:
But what about the Republicans? What about your inability to clarify any values that you stand for? And the simple fact is you can't, because the Republican party doesn't have any.
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That's a lie. Pure and simple. You choose to either ignore the statements being made or to set a standard for what you would find acceptable that so high that no one could meet it, giving you a perfect "See, I told you so."

Let's go back to what is the biggest source of "incivility" currently plaguing our nation - the liberal thugs using violence and threats to silence voices the disagree with and the near silence from the leaders on the left on this issue.
 
faithful_servant said:
I was basing it on the comment from the guy who got attacked: "Greg Gianforte just body slammed me and broke my glasses." No mention of getting punched.
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That you continue to play down Gianforte's action, in spite of all evidence, charges brought against him, and the fact that Jacobs had to go to the hospital, is evidence of what I'm saying: the Republican Party is philosophically and morally bankrupt.
 
faithful_servant said:
That's a lie. Pure and simple. You choose to either ignore the statements being made or to set a standard for what you would find acceptable that so high that no one could meet it, giving you a perfect "See, I told you so."

Let's go back to what is the biggest source of "incivility" currently plaguing our nation - the liberal thugs using violence and threats to silence voices the disagree with and the near silence from the leaders on the left on this issue.
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You claim that's a lie, you claim you have values, yet once again you refuse to clarify those values and go back to whataboutism. And the reason for that is simple: the Republican party has forgotten what their values are.

When you have no values to your own, your path to believing that everybody is as bad as yourself is clear.
 
chuckiechan said:
Pot, meet kettle. If you didn't have double standards, you would have none at all.

The guy has a price to pay, and will. End of story. Beginning of smoke.
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What price? Because most votes were already in and could not be changed, he won. The GOP leadership pretended that this was proof that Montana voters don't care and he is above questioning for it.
 
Slingshot Bob said:
Stop stuffing me in a basket bro, I specifically said the man is not fit for office, so when you say the republicans support it, be sure to add this *
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Are the people in office who are currently supporting him fit for their office? Because the damage he did is restricted to one person and the damage they are doing is reflected on the entire party and country.
 
Cardinal said:
You claim that's a lie, you claim you have values, yet once again you refuse to clarify those values and go back to whataboutism. And the reason for that is simple: the Republican party has forgotten what their values are.

When you have no values to your own, your path to believing that everybody is as bad as yourself is clear.
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This thread is about civility in America, but all you can do is make baseless claims. The "what about" part is what this thread is about. It's literally about the "what about" factor. We do have much higher level of incivility in this country, but BY FAR the worst is coming from the left and that moral bankruptcy you keep blathering on about is most clearly in the near silence of the left's leadership on the issue of the violence, bullying and threats coming from the left. Just look through the threads that get started here and you'll see a plethora of hate-filled posts coming from the left.
 
faithful_servant said:
This thread is about civility in America, but all you can do is make baseless claims. The "what about" part is what this thread is about. It's literally about the "what about" factor. We do have much higher level of incivility in this country, but BY FAR the worst is coming from the left and that moral bankruptcy you keep blathering on about is most clearly in the near silence of the left's leadership on the issue of the violence, bullying and threats coming from the left. Just look through the threads that get started here and you'll see a plethora of hate-filled posts coming from the left.
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Fun fact: it was a Republican House Representative that beat a reporter, not a liberal. That your response is to ignore that fact and go the whatabout route is evidence you have no values, a fact you prove in every post you make. If the Republican party were not morally and philosophically bankrupt their path to unanimously condemning Gianforte would be obvious. But they are morally and philosophically bankrupt, so their only remaining path is to minimize the incident, demonize the reporter, and to continue to spout that everybody is as bad as themselves.
 
Fenton said:
Lol....Oh this is just ridiculous. The guy that " HATES " all Trump supporters is going to lecture us on civillity ??

Brilliant !
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I am sorry. Could you point out how I have behaved uncivily towards Trump supporters? Hate and lack of civility are by no means synonymous.
 
CriticalThought said:
They even attacked the Sheriff who placed the charges for being a liberal who donated to the opponent's campaign.
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The sheriff who cited a Montana congressional candidate for misdemeanor assault has apologized for not disclosing that he contributed $250 to the Republican's campaign.

Gallatin County Sheriff Brian Gootkin said Thursday that he should have revealed the donation at a previous news conference held after witnesses said candidate Greg Gianforte had grabbed a reporter by the neck on Wednesday and threw him to the ground at Gianforte's campaign headquarters.

Gootkin said the contribution had nothing to do with his duties as sheriff.

The Latest: Democrat concedes to Gianforte in Montana race | National News | beatricedailysun.com
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Since you got basic fact wrong, I can safely dismiss the rest of your post as unmitigated BS.

Have a good day.
 
Skeptic Bob said:
The majority of people from both sides of the aisle are good decent people. I wouldn't use the rhetoric of politicians, who are almost always calculating in what they say, as a barometer for how people in general feel and behave.

This week nobody in real life has told me to **** off or called me anything mean to my face. Nobody in real life has belittled me for my political beliefs.

On the other hand, in that same time period, easily over 100 people have told me good morning, held doors open for me, given me polite nods hello, and a few have even complimented me or done me a favor.

Sometimes it helps to turn off the TV and get off the internet and just live in the real world for a bit to get some perspective. :)
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Today is today and tomorrow is tomorrow. A stray bullet from a protest down the street kills your kid...you think you will care how many people said "good morning"? That is why we condemn this type of behavior. It escalates and nobody takes responsibility and eventually innocent people get hurt.
 
The Daily 202: Gianforte’s victory after assaulting reporter reflects rising tribalism in American politics

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/paloma/daily-202/2017/05/26/daily-202-gianforte-s-victory-after-assaulting-reporter-reflects-rising-tribalism-in-american-politics/59275c2ae9b69b2fb981dba2/

“I made a mistake,” the congressman-elect said at his party in Bozeman. “Not in our minds!” yelled a supporter. David Weigel, who was there, reports that some in the crowd laughed.
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A Republican congressman from San Diego, who is under criminal investigation by the Justice Department, said this to an AP reporter:

Rep. Duncan Hunter said of MT reporter assault, “It’s not appropriate behavior. Unless the reporter deserved it.”

— Mary Clare Jalonick (@MCJalonick) May 25, 2017
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-- After his comfortable six-point victory, Republican congressional leaders are making clear there will be no meaningful consequences for his behavior. “Elections are about choices and Montanans made their choice,” Speaker Paul Ryan said in a statement this morning. "Rep.-elect Gianforte is an outsider with real-world experience creating jobs in Montana. He will bring that experience to Congress, where he will be a valuable voice in the House Republican Conference.
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A spokesman for Mike Pence, who traveled to Montana two weeks ago to stump with Gianforte, declined to comment yesterday, and the vice president skipped his only public event of the day so he did not need to weigh in.
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The Gianforte incident is important in that it has brought the Republican party to its final and inevitable destination: a party that is solely for tax cuts for the rich, anything that makes liberals mad, and which contains no moral or philosophical principles of its own.

As its only defense, a party that has been brought to such lows can only try to make a false equivalency with others, because it knows there is no good of its own to stand proudly for.
 
CriticalThought said:
Nobody has the right to hurt someone who has not physically transgressed on them. The reporter could have cussed out the politician and made every disparaging remark imaginable about the man's family and there would still be no right to lay a hand on him no matter how much he was "asking for it". This would be true regardless of the political orientation of either.
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Never said the politician was in the right here. The fact however remains that the reporter should have picked up on the fact he was angering the politician and backed off when asked.
 
OP, apparently civility is dead when it comes to politics.
 
CriticalThought said:
Are the people in office who are currently supporting him fit for their office? Because the damage he did is restricted to one person and the damage they are doing is reflected on the entire party and country.
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So everyone supports them? There is that broad brush!
 
celticwar17 said:
I personally have not seen anyone saying it was okay for the congressman to do that to the reporter o_O. Where do you see that?
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Interview with senators after.
One straight up blamed liberals, I kid you not. I have to find that, it was hilarious.
 
Henrin said:
Never said the politician was in the right here. The fact however remains that the reporter should have picked up on the fact he was angering the politician and backed off when asked.
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I suppose that depends on which account you believe. The one from the politician, or the one from the audio and Fox News eyewitness. Apparently asking about a health bill that the GOP passed recently is grounds for a good thrashing.
 
Libbos cast civility aside a long time ago.
 
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