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Republican politicians sing same song.

We can only hope.

But then a theocratic president would take over. Maybe Buddha have mercy on us all!

Perhaps but Americans are overlooking something.
This is not the first political scandal for Americans, and although Trump may yell at the Media for picking just on him. it is not that new.
Trump seems to forget how much news of the past accused a new president of where he was born and at times of being a Muslim.
These are but a few scandals America has had to deal with there are many more.
To the American people I say this, some one stepped up before another will come.
To the American politician I say this Do not take the American people for granted we are not stupid and propaganda only works when you have something to offer and can back it up. Start breaking campaign promises, no matter how rich you are you will lose the trust of the American people.:peace
 
I thought you supported divided government

divided in the ability to make LAW

law should never be made in the interest of 1 single entity

1 person- a collective - 1 single people

when law is made in the interest of all....the people, the state governments and the union as whole, everyone benefits
 
The difference between Nixon and Trump, is Nixon had an opposition (Democratic) Congress.

If Nixon were in office today with the current GOP Congress, he would remain to finish his full term. Sadly.

this seems probable. also, it was a different time. we're much more divided into tribes these days, and ingroup / outgroup has distorted reality like a funhouse mirror.
 
Perhaps but Americans are overlooking something.
This is not the first political scandal for Americans, and although Trump may yell at the Media for picking just on him. it is not that new.
Trump seems to forget how much news of the past accused a new president of where he was born and at times of being a Muslim.
These are but a few scandals America has had to deal with there are many more.
To the American people I say this, some one stepped up before another will come.
To the American politician I say this Do not take the American people for granted we are not stupid and propaganda only works when you have something to offer and can back it up. Start breaking campaign promises, no matter how rich you are you will lose the trust of the American people.:peace

Trump clearly knew that he could mind **** millions of Americans into believing that he was capable somehow undoing 230 years of the US Government creating a protected society within the Kingdom of Washington (AKA the Establishment). Instead, he decided to use "The Establishment" (AKA - The Swamp!) to benefit his own Corporate interests. So he's became "The Swamp Squatter in Chief".
 
the division of the people and government continues and will only get worst.

Division in America is not new.
It can be traced throughout America's history, dating all the way back to the Revolutionary war some Americans wanted to stay with Britain others did not.
Then came more division like in 1861 America was divided some wanted to keep slavery others did not, this led to one of the bloodiest conflicts in American history brother against brother, father against son.
There was of course the 60's the Civil rights movement some wanted to keep segregation others "including me" did not this led to marches and riots many people were hurt some were killed.
Roe vs Wade an unpopular decision divided the country.
Suffragettes led to the ERA and women's lib again a divided country.
To say America is divided is true but it is as I said America has been divided before.
The difference is this time nobody want's to or can't compromise.
I'm reminded of a quote from Governor Wallace in 1963 standing in front of an elementary school as African American kids were escorted in.
Governor Wallace shouted "segregation now segregation forever" of course he was proven wrong as more white people "including this humble poster" began to march with African Americans for Civil Rights and integration.:peace
 
Trump clearly knew that he could mind **** millions of Americans into believing that he was capable somehow undoing 230 years of the US Government creating a protected society within the Kingdom of Washington (AKA the Establishment). Instead, he decided to use "The Establishment" (AKA - The Swamp!) to benefit his own Corporate interests. So he's became "The Swamp Squatter in Chief".

That is sad but true.
It is most difficult to drain the "swamp" when in fact that is what you call home.:peace
 
Division in America is not new.
It can be traced throughout America's history, dating all the way back to the Revolutionary war some Americans wanted to stay with Britain others did not.
Then came more division like in 1861 America was divided some wanted to keep slavery others did not, this led to one of the bloodiest conflicts in American history brother against brother, father against son.
There was of course the 60's the Civil rights movement some wanted to keep segregation others "including me" did not this led to marches and riots many people were hurt some were killed.
Roe vs Wade an unpopular decision divided the country.
Suffragettes led to the ERA and women's lib again a divided country.
To say America is divided is true but it is as I said America has been divided before.
The difference is this time nobody want's to or can't compromise.
I'm reminded of a quote from Governor Wallace in 1963 standing in front of an elementary school as African American kids were escorted in.
Governor Wallace shouted "segregation now segregation forever" of course he was proven wrong as more white people "including this humble poster" began to march with African Americans for Civil Rights and integration.:peace

and you see what what you listed, some of them resulted in the deaths of many people, and as a result shifted of power of the federal government never meant to happen.
 
and you see what what you listed, some of them resulted in the deaths of many people, and as a result shifted of power of the federal government never meant to happen.

Sorry you seem to have taken my list on a pessimistic veiw.
I assure you that was not my intent, I am after all an optimistic, nonconformist individual. lol

Perhaps another scenario. It was said in the middle of the great depression "this is it, as good as it gets".
They were wrong of course.
1943 "it seems like this damn war will never end" again in 1945 it did end
There are many others.
Perhaps not this year, perhaps I will not live to see it but America will recover perhaps not be great again , but who wants a great life when one can have a good life.:peace
 
Sorry you seem to have taken my list on a pessimistic veiw.
I assure you that was not my intent, I am after all an optimistic, nonconformist individual. lol

Perhaps another scenario. It was said in the middle of the great depression "this is it, as good as it gets".
They were wrong of course.
1943 "it seems like this damn war will never end" again in 1945 it did end
There are many others.
Perhaps not this year, perhaps I will not live to see it but America will recover perhaps not be great again , but who wants a great life when one can have a good life.:peace



the list you posted listed causes, but it also listed results.

the king violated rights of the people this was a cause which created the revolutionary war, which was the result.

the south and north are been at odds before the war because of the two different economies, one based on slavery and the result was civil war.

since the shift in power between the federal government and the states governments, we have seen many causes because of it , but what will be the result?
 
"trying to find Russians under every rock".
These are your words are they not?
An implication that American people are afraid of Russians. at least it seems to me. Americans "at least me" do not fear Russia. I was here the first time Russia pushed America during the Cuban Missile crises , America pushed back.

When a foreign country "Russia" hacks into the election process of America, one might ask why?
Then one might ask how, or did they have help.
Are there some people in politics that care more about getting a promotion by helping the Russians , than the progress of America???:peace

:roll: You need to figure out how to follow a conversation.
 
Well, Left or not, you're all on board with the New McCarthyism. Carry on. Be sure to check for Russians under your bed at night.

Be sure to give Putin a kiss for me tonight when you go to bed. You have to admit dictators make strange bedfellows.
 
Be sure to give Putin a kiss for me tonight when you go to bed. You have to admit dictators make strange bedfellows.

So odd that you think demonstrating my point for me is some kind of clever riposte. But then, you do you.
 
and you see what what you listed, some of them resulted in the deaths of many people, and as a result shifted of power of the federal government never meant to happen.

The difference is there .
The power of the federal Government serves the people of America
Today the power of the Federal Government is questionable for the Rich and rich corporations have been moving on the power of the Federal Government.
The proof is easy to see .
Public people want a fair shake with opportunities for jobs , good affordable health care Better wages. not happening
Private corporations can whine like a bitch about profits go to the Federal "public" Government and get 740 million dollars to get their company back on track.
An OIL company can ask for research grants for alternative fuel in one breath while yelling drill baby drill in the next.
A CEO making millions if not a billion dollars a year can ask for and gets a check from the Federal Government for paying taxes.
A corporations can ask for and get a "no bid contract on any endeavor the Federal Government wants.
It is not the power of the Federal Government I fear it is the power that rich and rich corporations hold inside the Federal Government.
The true Federal Government is weak when it comes to domestic situations and getting weaker.while the Rich and rich corporations get stronger,.
We have an millionaire businessman , an ex CEO of Exxon oil, we have an ex lawyer for Goldman Sachs in Federal Government.
A question; How's this system working for America today?:peace
 
The difference is there .
The power of the federal Government serves the people of America
Today the power of the Federal Government is questionable for the Rich and rich corporations have been moving on the power of the Federal Government.
The proof is easy to see .
Public people want a fair shake with opportunities for jobs , good affordable health care Better wages. not happening
Private corporations can whine like a bitch about profits go to the Federal "public" Government and get 740 million dollars to get their company back on track.
An OIL company can ask for research grants for alternative fuel in one breath while yelling drill baby drill in the next.
A CEO making millions if not a billion dollars a year can ask for and gets a check from the Federal Government for paying taxes.
A corporations can ask for and get a "no bid contract on any endeavor the Federal Government wants.
It is not the power of the Federal Government I fear it is the power that rich and rich corporations hold inside the Federal Government.
The true Federal Government is weak when it comes to domestic situations and getting weaker.while the Rich and rich corporations get stronger,.
We have an millionaire businessman , an ex CEO of Exxon oil, we have an ex lawyer for Goldman Sachs in Federal Government.
A question; How's this system working for America today?:peace

this is true, because the the rich/rich corporations are factions, what does James Madison father of the constitution say about factions.

federalist 10# the other point of difference is, the greater number of citizens and extent of territory which may be brought within the compass of republican than of democratic government; and it is this circumstance principally which renders factious combinations less to be dreaded in the former than in the latter.

the founders created a republican form of government, Madison tells us that if america move towards a more democratic form of government which the u.s. has done in the last 100 years, you will get a government of factious combinations running it.

so those very people who clamor for democracy are getting the very thing thing they dread, government run by faction /the rich/rich corporations
 
this is true, because the the rich/rich corporations are factions, what does James Madison father of the constitution say about factions.

federalist 10# the other point of difference is, the greater number of citizens and extent of territory which may be brought within the compass of republican than of democratic government; and it is this circumstance principally which renders factious combinations less to be dreaded in the former than in the latter.

the founders created a republican form of government, Madison tells us that if america move towards a more democratic form of government which the u.s. has done in the last 100 years, you will get a government of factious combinations running it.

so those very people who clamor for democracy are getting the very thing thing they dread, government run by faction /the rich/rich corporations

If you know this and I know this how many other Americans know this , Americans are not stupid they are just thinking of a plan .
Rich and rich corporations use distractions, saying they want government out of business they lie.
The American want the rich and rich corporations out of government.
Too long the American government has shoveled taxpayer money to the rich and rich corporations with bailouts, tax cuts for paying taxes, no bid contracts, research grants, subsidies. While America suffers budget cuts on education, space exploration, elderly benefits, jobs,money circulation , lower tax revenue. wage stagnation, just to name a few, in short the progress of America.
If American corporations want to keep the very important American consumer they best start stepping up.
As I said the American people are not stupid that old" be patriotic buy American " kinda left with outsourcing.
#1 car sales in America = Foreign Japan,
#1 retail sales in America = Walmart base China
#1 video game sales = made in orient or from orient
and the list goes on and will get bigger if this volume of outsourcing continues , not a matter of if a matter of when.:peace
 
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