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You think Politicians Lie Now?

Cardinal said:
Trump has one purpose and one purpose alone to the rest of the Republicans: appoint conservative Supreme Court justices. They know, it he knows it, the American public knows it. That's why Congress pretends not to see his massive global conflicts of interest, and backs down on every legislative demand he has. His ass is in the oval office to appoint conservatives justices and play golf on the weekends.

Oh, and to occasionally destabilize alliances and global regions, but hey, that's the price of admission.
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Unfortunately this is true. It's not like any of the other 16 guys would have picked someone like gorsuch... Oh wait...
 
ModerateGOP said:
Unfortunately this is true. It's not like any of the other 16 guys would have picked someone like gorsuch... Oh wait...
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Congressional Republicans obviously would have preferred one of the other 16 guys, but Trump is who they got. And their support was the price they paid to get Trump to play nice on SCOTUS appointments. And providing conservative SCOTUS appointments was the price Trump paid to not have a Congress he spent all of last year insulting not be in vicious opposition to him. Also, if he screwed them too hard, they just might actually take their investigation into Russia and his conflicts of interest seriously and impeach him.

(By the way, I made a typo when I said "...backs down on every legislative demand he has." That was mean to refer to Trump, not Congress. It's Trump who's backed down on every legislative demand he's had, because he doesn't give a **** and just wants to play golf at Mar a Lago all the time.)
 
Cardinal said:
Congressional Republicans obviously would have preferred one of the other 16 guys, but Trump is who they got. And their support was the price they paid to get Trump to play nice on SCOTUS appointments. And providing conservative SCOTUS appointments was the price Trump paid to not have a Congress he spent all of last year insulting not be in vicious opposition to him. Also, if he screwed them too hard, they just might actually take their investigation into Russia and his conflicts of interest seriously and impeach him.

(By the way, I made a typo when I said "...backs down on every legislative demand he has." That was mean to refer to Trump, not Congress. It's Trump who's backed down on every legislative demand he's had, because he doesn't give a **** and just wants to play golf at Mar a Lago all the time.)
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That's what I'm afraid of. Someone trying to play the Trump card down the line and setting a new precedent where we can't even tell anymore when a politicians cares or doesn't. Despite the feeling that all don't, No matter which congressional politicians don't care today, Trump has set a lower bar than that!
 
Ikari said:
Yeah, the Democrats lost this one. But they're party is still in power. The people are going to get tired of the GOP and Trump, and to whom will they turn? The Dems. And then they'll get their crap guys in and eventually the people are going to tire of the Dems, and to whom will they turn? The GOP. And then they'll get their crap guys in and eventually the people are going to tire of the GOP....

So think I'm "wrong", but it's just a teeter-totter and neither side really ever loses power. And so what does it matter to them? They don't really need to listen to the People, they can push their Party Agenda as they wish with very little repercussion.

Trump is GOP, just a standard Republocrat, even if the Party Players had some doubt as to Party Loyalty. They GOP will still get what they want out of him, and then continue on the teeter-totter.
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So if you are right the people never win. The rich and powerful who own both parties continue to use us like the fools we are. SAD.
 
PIPEWRENCH said:
So if you are right the people never win. The rich and powerful who own both parties continue to use us like the fools we are. SAD.
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Tis true, the People do not win so long as we stagnate on the same party structure and remove all political competition.
 
lurchadams said:
I don't think Trump's 5 years as a leading "birther" was a misunderstanding. I think he was outright lying to appeal to ignorant folks. I think Trump knew what he was doing.

Claiming he saw thousands of Muslims in N.J. cheering as the twin towers fell - same thing.

Claiming millions of illegals took the popular vote away from him and claiming that his inauguration had the highest attendance in history.

Nah, I just think these are outright lies.
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Very good points. Trump continued the Birther lie through the Primary, while more qualified candidates refused to stoop this low. It's almost as if the more he lies, the more his adherents cling to him. "Tell me another one, Don" :naughty
 
Ikari said:
Yeah, the Democrats lost this one. But they're party is still in power. The people are going to get tired of the GOP and Trump, and to whom will they turn? The Dems. And then they'll get their crap guys in and eventually the people are going to tire of the Dems, and to whom will they turn? The GOP. And then they'll get their crap guys in and eventually the people are going to tire of the GOP....

So think I'm "wrong", but it's just a teeter-totter and neither side really ever loses power. And so what does it matter to them? They don't really need to listen to the People, they can push their Party Agenda as they wish with very little repercussion.

Trump is GOP, just a standard Republocrat, even if the Party Players had some doubt as to Party Loyalty. They GOP will still get what they want out of him, and then continue on the teeter-totter.
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You are right on target. Because the management of our government is corrupt and incompetent, it fails the people. Neither party addresses the common good above re-election so we bounce back forth between one failure and the other. We need to get rid of re-election. There has to be some way to institute single term limits.
 
fmw said:
I think most conservatives would consider what you call lies as errors or a rookie ignorance of how Washington works. He made promises about things that require the congress and he didn't understand how deep the swamp in congress is. The left goes nuts with the lying thing but I don't really see it. He says things that aren't true but I think it is misunderstanding more than purposeful lying.

But yes, politicians do lie a lot. I don't think it is any worse than it was in the past. I think most of your post is concern about things not worth the concern. It is obvious that he is trying to produce what he promised. I think it is going pretty well given the corruption in congress.
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It is my impression that you are spot on here. As DC outsider, how could Trump know how deep the DC swap in congress is?

Only 2 percent of those who voted for President Donald Trump last November say they regret their decision, a new poll shows.
The ABC News/Washington Post survey released Sunday finds 42 percent of Americans approve of the job Trump's doing as he approaches his 100th day in office; 53 percent disapprove.
But 96 percent of those who voted for Trump say it was the right decision, and just 2 percent say they regret their ballot, the poll shows.
Other findings from the poll show that:

  • 73 percent approve of the president pressuring companies to keep jobs in the country; 53 percent view Trump as a strong leader.
  • 46 percent think Trump is handling the situation with North Korea "about right"'; 37 percent think the president is handling the situation in too aggressive a manner.
  • 44 percent of respondents think Trump is keeping his campaign promises; 41 percent disagree.
  • 56 percent say Trump hasn't accomplished much in his first 100 days in office; 42 percent think he's done a great deal or a good amount.
The poll's margin of error is plus or minus 3.5 percent.
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I'm left with the impression that the electorate that voted for Trump, sees him working hard to fulfill each of his campaign promises, sometimes thwarted by other forces that are beyond his control, such as congress and the federal courts and purposefully selected judges and their politically motivated rulings, that they are willing to give him that leeway, that benefit of the doubt.

On a side note, with Trump working hard to fulfill each of his campaign promises, one can only hope that this'll raise the bar for every elected official that comes after him. That would be a good over all improvement for everyone.
 
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