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I suspect obama was spying on more politicians than just trump

Mac77 said:
I think that ruse will fall apart if we find that many important republicans were "wiretapped" i.e. Surveilled If so we may only find out in drips and drabs but eventually the whole sorrid affair of obama wrongdoing will come out
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I think the rabid right poo fest is falling apart... It's Trump's surveillance now, it shouldn't be 'drips and drabs' but a clean 'dump'... ;)

Yeah the whole sordid affair of Trump trying to block the investigation of who spoke to the Russians when is about to end, n it won't be pretty for Spicer or Trump...

How many important republicans were swept up, not the altfact crap of 'wiretapped' (why does Trump and his minions insist on trying to repurposing words), depends on how many spoke to known Russian agents and recruiters- like Flynn did.

Flynn didn't resign because he lied to Pence, he bailed because he is on tape 'introducing' himself to a guy he already knew... :peace
 
Mac77 said:
Since january we have only heard stories about trump and the russians.

And those stories have not led to any credible charges of treason by anyone connected to trump

But was russian collusion just a cover story to explain why obama was spying on trump when in fact his minions were collecting dirt on other republican candidates for president as wewll?

Was there intercepts of jeb bush or ted cruz?

Mitch McConnell?

Paul Ryan?

John Roberts?

If so then the russians are just fall guys for a much larger scandal that Obama and his coconspirators in the lying liberal news media are trying to conceal.

Of course this is just intuitative specualtion on my part.

No one to my knowledge has even thought of it this way

But brace yourselves liberals because you may be in for a rough ride
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I actually see it as quite interesting to note the different US 'mafia' factions picking the flesh from the bones of others; I guess Lincoln was right .......
 
Mac77 said:
I think the cover story of russian collusion is falling apart

Which leads me to think that obama has been spying on more politicians than just trump

Thats just using common sense
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How is that common sense? That 8s the farthest thing from common sense there is. "The sky is blue, therefore your uncle is in Kiev." There's literally no logical connection.

I suspect that Clarence Thomas is just a front for Aborigine gangsters. I have no evidence, just intuitive speculation. I demand now that you take it seriously.
 
It's those damn Obama microwaves...
 
Mac77 said:
Since january we have only heard stories about trump and the russians.

And those stories have not led to any credible charges of treason by anyone connected to trump

But was russian collusion just a cover story to explain why obama was spying on trump when in fact his minions were collecting dirt on other republican candidates for president as wewll?

Was there intercepts of jeb bush or ted cruz?

Mitch McConnell?

Paul Ryan?

John Roberts?

If so then the russians are just fall guys for a much larger scandal that Obama and his coconspirators in the lying liberal news media are trying to conceal.

Of course this is just intuitative specualtion on my part.

No one to my knowledge has even thought of it this way

But brace yourselves liberals because you may be in for a rough ride
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Of course foreigners know better. Some thoughts about Trump are not complimentary.
 
Mac77 said:
He does happen to be the previous president and Susan Rice's boss
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These deliberate distractions by Trump has got to stop. He needs to double down on real issues such as North Korea, al-Assad, and a host of truly important problems. Being the old man that he is, he can not help himself. How many times do foreigners have to tell you Americans that you are all in for a very rough ride! He must feel isolated if he has to depend on family members to help run the country.
 
Mac77 said:
Since january we have only heard stories about trump and the russians.

And those stories have not led to any credible charges of treason by anyone connected to trump

But was russian collusion just a cover story to explain why obama was spying on trump when in fact his minions were collecting dirt on other republican candidates for president as wewll?

Was there intercepts of jeb bush or ted cruz?

Mitch McConnell?

Paul Ryan?

John Roberts?

If so then the russians are just fall guys for a much larger scandal that Obama and his coconspirators in the lying liberal news media are trying to conceal.

Of course this is just intuitative specualtion on my part.

No one to my knowledge has even thought of it this way

But brace yourselves liberals because you may be in for a rough ride
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Yeah, and maybe when you get up in the morning there'll be unicorns grazing on your lawn.
 
Mac77 said:
I think that ruse will fall apart if we find that many important republicans were "wiretapped" i.e. Surveilled

If so we may only find out in drips and drabs but eventually the whole sorrid affair of obama wrongdoing will come out
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Only if they talked to the Russians....and lied about it.
 
squidd said:
Neither Trump, or his campaign have given any real evidence that Obama was spying in the first place. If it turns out he was, than he should face the charges. On the other hand, we do have some fairly solid evidence of the Russian interventions in our elections. If it was for or against Trump doesn't mater, what is important is that they don't do it again.
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The picture that I see emerging is one of broken trust

We the people gave the federal government a lot of power to spy on us for the sake of national security

And obama has abused that trust
 
notquiteright said:
I think the rabid right poo fest is falling apart... It's Trump's surveillance now, it shouldn't be 'drips and drabs' but a clean 'dump'... ;)

Yeah the whole sordid affair of Trump trying to block the investigation of who spoke to the Russians when is about to end, n it won't be pretty for Spicer or Trump...

How many important republicans were swept up, not the altfact crap of 'wiretapped' (why does Trump and his minions insist on trying to repurposing words), depends on how many spoke to known Russian agents and recruiters- like Flynn did.

Flynn didn't resign because he lied to Pence, he bailed because he is on tape 'introducing' himself to a guy he already knew... :peace
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I agree that flynn did not resign because the lied to Pence

We will have to wait and see what flynn has to say under oath and with immunity

But so far the proof of russian involvement with the election or the trump campaign is not producing any hard evidence to back up the charges

Which considering that Obama spies heard or saw every word spoken or written by the trump campaign suggests that there is no wrongdoing on his part
 
cuban smokes said:
I actually see it as quite interesting to note the different US 'mafia' factions picking the flesh from the bones of others; I guess Lincoln was right .......
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It reminds me of Roman history during the last days of the republic just before the regign of the dictators began
 
Glowpun said:
These deliberate distractions by Trump has got to stop.

He needs to double down on real issues such as North Korea, al-Assad, and a host of truly important problems. Being the old man that he is, he can not help himself. How many times do foreigners have to tell you Americans that you are all in for a very rough ride! He must feel isolated if he has to depend on family members to help run the country.
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Actually trump is going a pretty good job of addressing those issues in spite of the distractions thrown up by democrats and the liberal media
 
Moot said:
Only if they talked to the Russians....and lied about it.
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I think obama surveilled every member of congress and their staff who talked to ANY foreign citizen
 
squidd said:
Neither Trump, or his campaign have given any real evidence that Obama was spying in the first place. If it turns out he was, than he should face the charges. On the other hand, we do have some fairly solid evidence of the Russian interventions in our elections. If it was for or against Trump doesn't mater, what is important is that they don't do it again.
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What about us? We have a long and detailed history of trying to influence other countries' elections.
 
Glowpun said:
These deliberate distractions by Trump has got to stop. He needs to double down on real issues such as North Korea, al-Assad, and a host of truly important problems. Being the old man that he is, he can not help himself. How many times do foreigners have to tell you Americans that you are all in for a very rough ride! He must feel isolated if he has to depend on family members to help run the country.
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Deliberate distractions from Trump? The left has gone rabid ever since November 9th. How about they stop and the country can get down to some business?
 
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