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Putin is smiling

SheWolf said:
LOL... my "talking points" illustrate I have respect for the legal system in the US, and I have consistently applied to both Hillary and Trump. Trump literally took office with his supporters wondering if he was going to pursue some kind of legal action against Hillary, and for what? We don't convict people of crimes without evidence or trials. I haven't accused Trump of anything, and I was never been against any of the hearings or investigations Hillary had to endure. Until there is evidence of Trump colluding with the Russians, it is speculation.
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They didn't need to wonder because he said flat out he had no interest in hurting the Clintons. In fact he took the oath of office will full intention of sweeping the slate clean and starting out on a new adventure. It sure wasn't his idea to make it as difficult and toxic as his opponents are determined to make it. President Trump doesn't hold a grudge and it is obvious that he will forgive and forget anybody of almost any and all unpleasantries if they are willing to meet him half way.
 
AlbqOwl said:
Your laundry list of "I hate Trump" talking points probably makes you feel better. But it is totally non sequitur in response to what I posted.
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The irony of this post, in light of the post where you re-write history with the reversed narrative that republicans weren't unified in scorched earth obstruction for 8 years, cannot be overstated.
 
nota bene said:
I’m really surprised that you felt the need to be personal with your whining-and-crying and mindless parroting stuff, Redress.

My point was that the virulent partisanship isn’t good for the nation and that partisans should make a stronger effort to work together.

Good to know, though, that a conservative article can knot your knickers this way. Shame on me for daring to post an excerpt from an article with whose view I agree. :roll:

So you tell me: Is there anything known now that wasn’t known this past summer?
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Wait, I am not the one that posted from a hyper-partisan opinion piece. That was you. I am also not the one whining and crying about the horrible other guys. That is, once again, you. And crying about partisanship when you use an over the top partisan source is terribly LoLz.

And known by whom last summer? The FBI and other law enforcement and intelligence agencies about Russia's actions in relation to the election? Almost certainly. Known by you or me about those same connections? Probably not so much.
 
Redress said:
Wait, I am not the one that posted from a hyper-partisan opinion piece. That was you. I am also not the one whining and crying about the horrible other guys. That is, once again, you. And crying about partisanship when you use an over the top partisan source is terribly LoLz.
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Glad you're so easily amused. Maybe, though, you could be more attentive or "nuanced." You seem to have a problem with my quoting a conservative piece in the Partisan Politics forum. Reread that, Redress: Partisan.

And you've simply made up the crying and whining business. Asking whether pleasing the Kremlin isn't enough impetus for partisans to try to put aside some of their differences and work together is neither whining nor crying.
 
SheWolf said:
I can't take any of Trump supporters seriously after Trump kicked off his campaign with his comments on Mexican people, is now deporting Mexicans who are not rapists and criminals, and prevented reentry of legal immigrants to the US because of their religion. If you're standing by Trump after the way he has treated your neighbors then I find that way more outrageous than Putin smiling.
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I'm sure you do. Just as I'm sure, since you've posted on multiple occasions your professional diagnosis of Narcissistic Personality Disorder, that you're own view is less than reasonable. And let me make very clear: I am not a fan of Trump and did not support his election bid, but I am a fan of fairness and reasonability and am a strong supporter of the Presidency. Period.
 
nota bene said:
I'm sure you do. Just as I'm sure, since you've posted on multiple occasions your professional diagnosis of Narcissistic Personality Disorder, that you're own view is less than reasonable. And let me make very clear: I am not a fan of Trump and did not support his election bid, but I am a fan of fairness and reasonability and am a strong supporter of the Presidency. Period.
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All I believe is that he has a personality disorder of some kind. He doesn't look like he is very well emotionally or emotionally stable, and I find it sad. I don't hate him for it. If I ever had a child suffering and acting in the ways I have seen him act, believe me, I would intervene for their benefit. I think all people should get proper help, support, and encouragement. When people around such a person don't see it or recognize it, then that is tragic.

Typically I would support the office of the presidency, but Trump's rhetoric towards certain groups of people has been massively insulting and alarming. I don't support Trump for that reason. He should have have ran a better campaign. He shouldn't have been divisive, and nobody in America should feel comfortable about it or the way he handled his muslim ban (his words during the campaign). I find it unacceptable and immoral, and you don't. That's the difference between us.
 
nota bene said:
"Democrats Know the Election Was Legitimate But Persist in a Dangerous Fraud," by Andrew McCarthy

"...Russia did not "hack our election." But Russia is our "number-one geopolitical foe"—to quote Mitt Romney's bull's-eye assessment, the object of such media-Democrat scorn. Putin's anti-American operations in the run-up to the election—which were directed, according to our intelligence agencies, against both political parties--should be a matter of serious concern to all Americans, as should all Russian machinations in the Obama years, the Bush years, in Europe, the Middle East, and elsewhere.

Yet, rather than encourage a responsible evaluation of what we're up against, Democrats and their media allies are promoting a fraud: If you take the Russian threat seriously, it means Russia stole the election and, ergo, that Donald Trump is an illegitimate president. Since that is not what happened, Republicans—who should be pushing Trump toward a harder line against Moscow—will be constrained to refute the Democrats' allegations. The Democrats will demonize Trump, while Trump sympathizers sound like Putin's defense lawyers.

In the Kremlin, they'll be smiling.Democrats & Russian-Hacking Allegations -- Putin Is Smiling | National Review

Isn’t the notion of giving pleasure to the Kremlin enough for partisans on both sides of the aisle to stop playing politics and actually try to work together?
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I can imagine putin is smiling. Imagine a meeting with putin and his top advisor, plotting to interfer with the election.

Putin- How can we hack the political parties to screw with the election
Advisor- sir wikileaks already released that
Putin- well can we create doubt and instill fear that a foreign govt stole the election
Advisor- Too late the democrats are already accusing you of doing that, and creating instability in democracy
Putin- well crap I won and never got past the planning phase what do I do now
Advisor- whatever you want sir
Putin- hey let's invade crimea
Advisor- you already did that
Putin- well let's just get drunk then and do what our govt always does, pretend to govern and take bribes from organized crime and billionaires.
 
Moot said:
Look what Russia has managed to do in Europe with the rise of far right groups and Brexit.
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I think the european union caused that, not russia. Those groups emerged as retaliation to over agressive immigration and admittance of refugees, while also removing sovereignity of the countries in the european union.

To make it worse many countries have downplayed or straight up covered up what the immigration has done, germany has made laws about people speaking against the issue, sweden has straight up went out of their way to cover it up, france has been hit quite hard with muslim immigrants who defy western values, and britain had a recent terror attack as well, and also at the current rate britain will be a muslim majority country in 30-40 years, yeah why would these groups form, it is clearly russias fault and not the eu and gemany's policies that led to these groups.
 
beerftw said:
I think the european union caused that, not russia. Those groups emerged as retaliation to over agressive immigration and admittance of refugees, while also removing sovereignity of the countries in the european union.

To make it worse many countries have downplayed or straight up covered up what the immigration has done, germany has made laws about people speaking against the issue, sweden has straight up went out of their way to cover it up, france has been hit quite hard with muslim immigrants who defy western values, and britain had a recent terror attack as well, and also at the current rate britain will be a muslim majority country in 30-40 years, yeah why would these groups form, it is clearly russias fault and not the eu and gemany's policies that led to these groups.
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No doubt there is anti-immigrant sentiment ...however, far right nationalist groups have been on the rise at least since 2008 and long before the refugee crisis. But if there's one lesson to be learned from WW2... it's that extremist groups need scapegoats and they usually pick the most vulnerable and weakest members of society. Anyway, for many of these far right groups, their tactics, propaganda and money trail leads straight back to Russia...including Marie LaPenn herself.


https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2016/10/trump-putin-alt-right-comintern/506015/

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/jan/23/eu-escalates-campaign-russian-propaganda

Russian experts paint sinister picture of Russian meddling - StarTribune.com

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/07/magazine/the-agency.html?_r=0
 
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Moot said:
No doubt there is anti-immigrant sentiment ...however, far right nationalist groups have been on the rise at least since 2008 and long before the refugee crisis. But if there's one lesson to be learned from WW2... it's that extremist groups need scapegoats and they usually pick the most vulnerable and weakest members of society. Anyway, for many of these far right groups, their tactics, propaganda and money trail leads straight back to Russia...including Marie LaPenn herself.


https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2016/10/trump-putin-alt-right-comintern/506015/

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/jan/23/eu-escalates-campaign-russian-propaganda

Russian experts paint sinister picture of Russian meddling - StarTribune.com

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/07/magazine/the-agency.html?_r=0
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The immigration and refugee crisis started before people think. Sweden for example has been taking in refugees for a very long time, and every year sentiment grows against the govt that accepts them.

Also 2008 was when the housing crisis of 2007 crossed into the european economy, remember all the austerity measures? Yeah it was all putin, not things going on in europe. Heck it must have been propoganda from russia to blame for everything, everwhere we look left wing parties are losing power, but it 100% can not be the actions of those parties that caused opposition, must have been putin.
 
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