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Does the supposed Flynn immunity request mean anything?

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I'm seeing a lot of noise about the claimed immunity request (again with unnamed sources) and how that shows there's something there. I'm confused to this line of reasoning because I was told all throughout the Hillary email scandal that she didn't do anything wrong, yet multiple Clinton aids were given immunity. So I'm confused and need a little help. Did the immunity deals mean nothing then and therefore it means nothing now or did it mean something and so this rumor means something as well?

It's all so very hard for me to understand so any clarification would be extremely appreciated.

FBI Gave Immunity to 5 Clinton Aides Who Lied & Directed Hillary Email Scrubbing

FBI Director James Comey, who earlier recommended Hillary Clinton not be indicted over her private email server, granted immunity to five Clinton aides who themselves could have been indicted.
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Whataboutism.

Clinton aides were offered partial immunity by the FBI...not congress.

Flynn is asking for full immunity from prosecution whereas I don't think any of the others under question have...not even Manafort.

The problem is...they already have enough to hang Flynn with and may not need his testimony to prosecute him. So the only reason to give him immunity is if he's going to rat out his former boss.
 
Moot said:
Whataboutism.

Clinton aides were offered partial immunity by the FBI...not congress.

Flynn is asking for full immunity from prosecution whereas I don't think any of the others under question have...not even Manafort.

The problem is...they already have enough to hang Flynn with and may not need his testimony to prosecute him. So the only reason to give him immunity is if he's going to rat out his former boss.
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Nope...Not whataboutism. I'm looking for consistency. I don't think that's too much to ask. So did it mean anything for Hillary's aids or did it not? I see you're seemingly looking to make an excuse for how it was different for her situation. That's pretty weak.
 
Fishking said:
I'm seeing a lot of noise about the claimed immunity request (again with unnamed sources) and how that shows there's something there. I'm confused to this line of reasoning because I was told all throughout the Hillary email scandal that she didn't do anything wrong, yet multiple Clinton aids were given immunity. So I'm confused and need a little help. Did the immunity deals mean nothing then and therefore it means nothing now or did it mean something and so this rumor means something as well?

It's all so very hard for me to understand so any clarification would be extremely appreciated.

FBI Gave Immunity to 5 Clinton Aides Who Lied & Directed Hillary Email Scrubbing
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No. All throughout the email scandal you were told that Clinton committed a crime...



So by Flynn's line of reasoning...he committed a crime or he wouldn't be asking for immunity.
 
Fishking said:
I'm seeing a lot of noise about the claimed immunity request (again with unnamed sources) and how that shows there's something there. I'm confused to this line of reasoning because I was told all throughout the Hillary email scandal that she didn't do anything wrong, yet multiple Clinton aids were given immunity. So I'm confused and need a little help. Did the immunity deals mean nothing then and therefore it means nothing now or did it mean something and so this rumor means something as well?

It's all so very hard for me to understand so any clarification would be extremely appreciated.

FBI Gave Immunity to 5 Clinton Aides Who Lied & Directed Hillary Email Scrubbing
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There is a difference between asking for immunity(which suggests you have done something wrong), and being offered immunity(which suggests the person offering either thinks you have done something wrong, or wants to make it appear you have done something wrong). Of course none of that is proof of anything. Maybe instead of desperately trying to create defenses by going "but Clinton...", it might make more sense to wait and see.
 
Fishking said:
Nope...Not whataboutism. I'm looking for consistency. I don't think that's too much to ask. So did it mean anything for Hillary's aids or did it not? I see you're seemingly looking to make an excuse for how it was different for her situation. That's pretty weak.
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The FBI gave Clinton's aides "partial immunity" during the investigation only..but it didn't prevent them being prosecuted if they lied to the FBI...which is what Flynn seems to be asking for. Nor did they get immunity from congress which is also what Flynn seems to be asking for.
 
Fishking said:
I'm seeing a lot of noise about the claimed immunity request (again with unnamed sources) and how that shows there's something there. I'm confused to this line of reasoning because I was told all throughout the Hillary email scandal that she didn't do anything wrong, yet multiple Clinton aids were given immunity. So I'm confused and need a little help. Did the immunity deals mean nothing then and therefore it means nothing now or did it mean something and so this rumor means something as well?

It's all so very hard for me to understand so any clarification would be extremely appreciated.

FBI Gave Immunity to 5 Clinton Aides Who Lied & Directed Hillary Email Scrubbing
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Did the Clinton people ask for immunity in exchange for their testamony? 'Cause, that's tantamount to an admission of wrongdoing, isn't it.
 
I can't say whether Flynn corroborated with the Ruskies in the election meddling. But I feel reasonably confident in saying he's dirty in something. What it is, remains T.B.D.

But I think if anyone, it will be Manafort that brings Trump down.
 
Chomsky said:
I can't say whether Flynn corroborated with the Ruskies in the election meddling. But I feel reasonably confident in saying he's dirty in something. What it is, remains T.B.D.

But I think if anyone, it will be Manafort that brings Trump down.
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He called the Russian ambassador the same day Obama announced sanctions against them. Circumstantial, yes, but can anyone believe the subject of the sanctions didn't come up in the call? If they did, he was undermining his President.
 
Speculation is that Flynn took a few dollars from Turks that was not a good idea, and that neither Trump nor Putin had anything to do with it.

Sounds right.
 
Fishking said:
I'm seeing a lot of noise about the claimed immunity request (again with unnamed sources) and how that shows there's something there. I'm confused to this line of reasoning because I was told all throughout the Hillary email scandal that she didn't do anything wrong, yet multiple Clinton aids were given immunity. So I'm confused and need a little help. Did the immunity deals mean nothing then and therefore it means nothing now or did it mean something and so this rumor means something as well?

It's all so very hard for me to understand so any clarification would be extremely appreciated.

FBI Gave Immunity to 5 Clinton Aides Who Lied & Directed Hillary Email Scrubbing
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Why not let Flynn clarify for himself? ;)


 
Moot said:
Whataboutism.

Clinton aides were offered partial immunity by the FBI...not congress.

Flynn is asking for full immunity from prosecution whereas I don't think any of the others under question have...not even Manafort.

The problem is...they already have enough to hang Flynn with and may not need his testimony to prosecute him. So the only reason to give him immunity is if he's going to rat out his former boss.
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Hard to wade through all the media stories here. What crime do you think that Flynn committed and was any evidence of an alleged crime legally obtained (that is, not likely to be thrown out due to being improperly obtained)? I thought that recordings of foreign communications redacted the domestic side, unless there was a warrant on Flynn.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
Speculation is that Flynn took a few dollars from Turks that was not a good idea, and that neither Trump nor Putin had anything to do with it.

Sounds right.
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Who's speculating that? I never heard it before.
Flynn called the Russian ambassador the same day Obama announced sanctions against Russia. You pretty confident the subject of the sanctions didn't come up in the call?
 
Grand Mal said:
Who's speculating that? I never heard it before.
Flynn called the Russian ambassador the same day Obama announced sanctions against Russia. You pretty confident the subject of the sanctions didn't come up in the call?
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So what if they did talk about it?
 
Chomsky said:
Why not let Flynn clarify for himself? ;)


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So I can put you in the it meant something was criminal with Hillary as well crowd. So that's 1 vote for it means something and 1 for it doesn't so far.
 
Redress said:
There is a difference between asking for immunity(which suggests you have done something wrong), and being offered immunity(which suggests the person offering either thinks you have done something wrong, or wants to make it appear you have done something wrong). Of course none of that is proof of anything. Maybe instead of desperately trying to create defenses by going "but Clinton...", it might make more sense to wait and see.
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Just looking for consistency.
 
Moot said:
The FBI gave Clinton's aides "partial immunity" during the investigation only..but it didn't prevent them being prosecuted if they lied to the FBI...which is what Flynn seems to be asking for. Nor did they get immunity from congress which is also what Flynn seems to be asking for.
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Is that what he seems to be asking? I see another "unnamed sources" type of thing that seems to be the only thing the news has these days.
 
Grand Mal said:
He called the Russian ambassador the same day Obama announced sanctions against them. Circumstantial, yes, but can anyone believe the subject of the sanctions didn't come up in the call? If they did, he was undermining his President.
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I don't see what the big deal is there. I'd have called the Russian ambassador as well, after Obama did his best to sabotage any chances of improving relations.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
So what if they did talk about it?
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If they did, he was undermining his President, wasn't he. Do you see a career Army officer going behind the President's back on his own initiative, or was he told to do it?
 
Fishking said:
I don't see what the big deal is there. I'd have called the Russian ambassador as well, after Obama did his best to sabotage any chances of improving relations.
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If you were a career Army officer you'd undermine your President on your own initiative? There's a word for that.
 
Grand Mal said:
If they did, he was undermining his President, wasn't he. Do you see a career Army officer going behind the President's back on his own initiative, or was he told to do it?
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Obama said electing Trump would undermine the legacy of his presidency. Will 50 million Americans be prosecuted?
 
reinoe said:
Obama said electing Trump would undermine the legacy of his presidency. Will 50 million Americans be prosecuted?
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Do you have a point to make on the topic or are you just cluttering up the thread with meaningless garbage?
I realize the word 'undermine' triggered a memory but not everything that comes into your head needs to come out your mouth.
 
Grand Mal said:
He called the Russian ambassador the same day Obama announced sanctions against them. Circumstantial, yes, but can anyone believe the subject of the sanctions didn't come up in the call? If they did, he was undermining his President.
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And he'd then acting illegally, which is why I suspect he's asking for immunity.

I'm betting close to 99% Flynn committed illegal acts.

I'd put Manafort in the same category, except unlike what might be Flynn's relatively small-potatoes crimes, Manafort seems to have the big state-changing stuff going on.
 
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