Liberals don't care about corruption

I see post after post about Trump's family conducting business in a manner that, so far as I can tell, isn't out of the normal realm for them. Is there corruption involved and Donald being President having an effect? I'm sure. However, again we see the double standard and the hypocrisy.

My first example is of Hunter Biden, Joe's son, getting a position in a state that the U.S. had a hand in supporting the overthrow of the previous government, which is pretty significant and a dynamic that wouldn't have happened without U.S. interference.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...em-for-u-s-soft-power/?utm_term=.e257d2af7725

Think about that when you read the announcement that Vice President Biden's son, Hunter Biden, has accepted a position on the board at Ukraine's largest private gas firm. According to a news release posted Tuesday, the vice president's son would join the board of Burisma Holdings. The Yale-educated lawyer would be in charge of the company’s legal unit, the release said.

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My next example is Hillary's brother getting on the board for a mining company in Haiti. Oh...and of the groups that hate the Clintons the most, it's the Haitians. The corruption of the Clintons in Haiti goes way beyond this example.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...517a3a70506_story.html?utm_term=.a1763c139459

MORNE BOSSA, Haiti — Drive down the rutted dirt road a couple of miles to the guardhouse, then hike 15 minutes up to the overgrown hilltop, and there it is: a piece of 3 1/2 -inch-wide PVC pipe sticking out of the ground.

This is what, at least for the time being, a gold mine looks like.

It also has become a potentially problematic issue for Hillary Rodham Clinton as she considers a second presidential run, after it was revealed this month that in 2013, one of her brothers was added to the advisory board of the company that owns the mine.

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So we have just another example of what's good for me is not good for you. I'll concede that this is a bipartisan issue but the left is just so good at their outrage that it takes it to the next level of irony and hypocrisy.

Fishking said:

I see post after post about Trump's family conducting business in a manner that, so far as I can tell, isn't out of the normal realm for them. Is there corruption involved and Donald being President having an effect? I'm sure. However, again we see the double standard and the hypocrisy.

My first example is of Hunter Biden, Joe's son, getting a position in a state that the U.S. had a hand in supporting the overthrow of the previous government, which is pretty significant and a dynamic that wouldn't have happened without U.S. interference.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...em-for-u-s-soft-power/?utm_term=.e257d2af7725



My next example is Hillary's brother getting on the board for a mining company in Haiti. Oh...and of the groups that hate the Clintons the most, it's the Haitians. The corruption of the Clintons in Haiti goes way beyond this example.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...517a3a70506_story.html?utm_term=.a1763c139459



So we have just another example of what's good for me is not good for you. I'll concede that this is a bipartisan issue but the left is just so good at their outrage that it takes it to the next level of irony and hypocrisy.

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Let me be the first liberal to reply (unless of course one does as I'm typing this reply)
From a lot of party members you are absolutely correct. They turn a blind eye to corruption that happens within their own party, in my opinion because the 2 party system cultivates an us vs them mentality where a considerable amount of mental gymnastics is required to defend the actions of the party

I would also argue, however, that many liberals ARE very frustrated with democrats in power. I was openly livid about the DNC/Bernie debacle. Additionally, I believe a lot of the resason the dems have lost support is because they still play the part of the party of the people but their actions don't match their rhetoric. A lot of people(at least in my limited social group) end up voting for the party that aligns closest with their believes because pragmatically it is the only way anything close to what is desired has a chance of passing. It doesn't mean that corruption is ok with all liberals.

Regardless, anyone who baselessly defends partisan party BS is nothing but a hack who should be classified by their party affiliation and not political lean

Fishking said:

I see post after post about Trump's family conducting business in a manner that, so far as I can tell, isn't out of the normal realm for them. Is there corruption involved and Donald being President having an effect? I'm sure. However, again we see the double standard and the hypocrisy.

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And the irrelevant "Whataboutisms," which fail to exculpate the President and his family from the rampant and unprecedented conflicts of interest created as a result of Trump becoming President.

My first example is of Hunter Biden, Joe's son, getting a position in a state that the U.S. had a hand in supporting the overthrow of the previous government, which is pretty significant and a dynamic that wouldn't have happened without U.S. interference.

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What the what?

My next example is Hillary's brother getting on the board for a mining company in Haiti. Oh...and of the groups that hate the Clintons the most, it's the Haitians. The corruption of the Clintons in Haiti goes way beyond this example.

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What the what?

By that logic, any relative of any elected official -- or former elected official -- automatically becomes "corrupt." That's not how it works.

The problem with Trump, since you need to be reminded, is that he and his company are involved in numerous international business deals, and operate businesses in the US as well. This opens all sorts of opportunities for foreign governments and private individuals to inappropriately exert an influence on the President. E.g. they can curry favor by giving his business ventures tax breaks, or favorable treatment, or patronizing his businesses.

Another big issue is that he may choose to push certain policies to benefit himself, on a scale heretofore unseen. For example, he has already proposed eliminating taxes in a way that would produce enormous tax breaks for himself and his family.

A third issue is that his current investments are already problematic. On the domestic front, the lease of the DC hotel ought to eliminate Trump as the owner -- and letting it slide is a galling abuse of power.

An even more important example is the incredibly shady hotel deal in Azerbaijan, which involves receiving huge sums for a corrupt and nonsensical project, and very likely launders money for the Iranian Revolutionary Guard:
Donald Trump?s Worst Deal - The New Yorker

I.e. thanks but no thanks for the alleged ethics lesson.

:2razz: Don't get fooled by the diversions ... stay focused

That has little to do with liberals vs conservatives. It is more about Democrats vs Republicans. Hypocrisy is a fundamental aspect of partisanship.

Cigar said:

:2razz: Don't get fooled by the diversions ... stay focused

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^----translation: We'll ignore the faults of our team while being outraged over the other.

Visbek said:

And the irrelevant "Whataboutisms," which fail to exculpate the President and his family from the rampant and unprecedented conflicts of interest created as a result of Trump becoming President.

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No, it just shows the current outrage to be fake.

What the what?

What the what?

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Not surprised you are ill-informed on these things. The outrage never brings it to prominent light.

I.e. thanks but no thanks for the alleged ethics lesson.

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Yes, I see you're wholly incapable of holding standards across the board.

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Fishking said:

I see post after post about Trump's family conducting business in a manner that, so far as I can tell, isn't out of the normal realm for them. Is there corruption involved and Donald being President having an effect? I'm sure. However, again we see the double standard and the hypocrisy.

My first example is of Hunter Biden, Joe's son, getting a position in a state that the U.S. had a hand in supporting the overthrow of the previous government, which is pretty significant and a dynamic that wouldn't have happened without U.S. interference.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...em-for-u-s-soft-power/?utm_term=.e257d2af7725



My next example is Hillary's brother getting on the board for a mining company in Haiti. Oh...and of the groups that hate the Clintons the most, it's the Haitians. The corruption of the Clintons in Haiti goes way beyond this example.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...517a3a70506_story.html?utm_term=.a1763c139459



So we have just another example of what's good for me is not good for you. I'll concede that this is a bipartisan issue but the left is just so good at their outrage that it takes it to the next level of irony and hypocrisy.

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Might help if you knew the def of liberal. From the Latin, liber = free. For the individual and small gov???

YorkshirePete said:

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Might help if you knew the def of liberal. From the Latin, liber = free. For the individual and small gov???

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Lol...well, as commonly used today. How about neoliberal?

Fishking said:

No, it just shows the current outrage to be fake.

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Or, you are generating unpersuasive false equivalences, which only underscore the magnitude of the potential conflicts of interest.

What have you got? Relatives being hired to... do jobs.

What has Trump got?
• Millions wrapped up in business deals, that can be used to influence him
• Myriad ways that he can use his position to enrich himself and his family
• His own declaration that he wants to cut federal taxes in a way that would reduce his own tax bills by tens of millions of dollars
• A son-in-law, with no government experience whatsoever, who is put in a top advisor position, who presents many of the same problems, and conveniently forgets to mention how he met with a top Putin-friendly money laundering banker
• A daughter who is still running her own businesses, and now has an office in the White House, i.e. another vector for possible influence
• Giving members of Mar-A-Lago not just privileged access to the President, and not just a way to double the price of membership, but a view of nuclear diplomacy in action
• Deliberate obfuscation of his business, in order to prevent people from thinking about the possible conflicts and corruption
• Trump getting in bed with authoritarian and corrupt Azerbaijani officials, who in turn were probably laundering money for Iranian Revolutionary Guard

The idea that Joe Biden's son joining Burisma's board even holds a candle to any one of the above listed items is absurd.

Whataboutism - RationalWiki

Fishking said:

Lol...well, as commonly used today. How about neoliberal?

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Commonly used by the knees news uneducated. i just laugh how it's blabbed about. Hey I don't care I'm a filthy rich white corporatist who nevervotedfor A dem in my life. I know where my bread is buttered. Thankfully, the mid America trumpies (a word for fart in England) are still in the nazi rallies. More money for us

Visbek said:

Or, you are generating unpersuasive false equivalences, which only underscore the magnitude of the potential conflicts of interest.

What have you got? Relatives being hired to... do jobs.

What has Trump got?
• Millions wrapped up in business deals, that can be used to influence him
• Myriad ways that he can use his position to enrich himself and his family
• His own declaration that he wants to cut federal taxes in a way that would reduce his own tax bills by tens of millions of dollars
• A son-in-law, with no government experience whatsoever, who is put in a top advisor position, who presents many of the same problems, and conveniently forgets to mention how he met with a top Putin-friendly money laundering banker
• A daughter who is still running her own businesses, and now has an office in the White House, i.e. another vector for possible influence
• Giving members of Mar-A-Lago not just privileged access to the President, and not just a way to double the price of membership, but a view of nuclear diplomacy in action
• Deliberate obfuscation of his business, in order to prevent people from thinking about the possible conflicts and corruption
• Trump getting in bed with authoritarian and corrupt Azerbaijani officials, who in turn were probably laundering money for Iranian Revolutionary Guard

The idea that Joe Biden's son joining Burisma's board even holds a candle to any one of the above listed items is absurd.

Whataboutism - RationalWiki

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You're right, there is a false equivalency, the examples I gave were much worse and didn't take advantage of either disadvantaged people or was part of a government coup vs willing and able parties. I'm glad you corrected me on that.

YorkshirePete said:

Commonly used by the knees news uneducated. i just laugh how it's blabbed about. Hey I don't care I'm a filthy rich white corporatist who nevervotedfor A dem in my life. I know where my bread is buttered. Thankfully, the mid America trumpies (a word for fart in England) are still in the nazi rallies. More money for us

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What a ridiculous post.

Fishking said:

You're right, there is a false equivalency, the examples I gave were much worse and didn't take advantage of either disadvantaged people or was part of a government coup vs willing and able parties. I'm glad you corrected me on that.

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/spittake

Kobie said:

/spittake

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*pats back* you OK?

Skeptic Bob said:

That has little to do with liberals vs conservatives. It is more about Democrats vs Republicans. Hypocrisy is a fundamental aspect of partisanship.

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Absolutely. Partisanship is dismantling our government, not that it shouldn't be dismantled.

I think this is a basically false premise.

Of course most Liberals care about corruption... if it can be found or manufactured to make it appear that it is the GOP that is party trafficking in it.

Absolutely.

Other than that the corruption should be ignored and/or roundly shouted down. Replaced by some minimal offense that, if possible and with the coordination of an almost totally left compliant press, can be made to appear the real problem or threat.