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Potential 'smoking gun' showing Obama administration spied on Trump team, source says | Fox News
Follow on to yesterday's Nunes story.
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Potential 'smoking gun' showing Obama administration spied on Trump team, source says
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Follow on to yesterday's Nunes story.
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Re: Potential 'smoking gun' showing Obama administration spied on Trump team, source
So President Obama ordered a wiretap of Trumps phones during the election campaign?
So President Obama ordered a wiretap of Trumps phones during the election campaign?
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Re: Potential 'smoking gun' showing Obama administration spied on Trump team, source
So, in using surveillance on others, some Trump surrogates where heard, and this makes what Trump said less of a lie how? And how is it spying on some one, when you are not spying on them? I realize you are desperate to try and turn a lie into truth, but, for god's sake, at least have a little bit of actual knowledge of the topic...
So, in using surveillance on others, some Trump surrogates where heard, and this makes what Trump said less of a lie how? And how is it spying on some one, when you are not spying on them? I realize you are desperate to try and turn a lie into truth, but, for god's sake, at least have a little bit of actual knowledge of the topic...
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Re: Potential 'smoking gun' showing Obama administration spied on Trump team, source
If you gather information on an American citizen without a lawful warrant, that's, "spying".
In January Obama relaxed the rules on information sharing. It doesn't take long to do the math.
If you gather information on an American citizen without a lawful warrant, that's, "spying".
In January Obama relaxed the rules on information sharing. It doesn't take long to do the math.
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Re: Potential 'smoking gun' showing Obama administration spied on Trump team, source
If you are gathering information on a mafia don, people who call the mafia don might get recorded. Those people calling the mafia don are not being spied on, or at least not directly.
If you are gathering information on a mafia don, people who call the mafia don might get recorded. Those people calling the mafia don are not being spied on, or at least not directly.
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Re: Potential 'smoking gun' showing Obama administration spied on Trump team, source
When it comes to FISA warrants, Americans can't be spied upon during that surveillance.
When it comes to FISA warrants, Americans can't be spied upon during that surveillance.
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Re: Potential 'smoking gun' showing Obama administration spied on Trump team, source
Speaker Ryan is also a trump surrogate in this coverup, along with Nunes of course .
Speaker Ryan is also a trump surrogate in this coverup, along with Nunes of course .
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Re: Potential 'smoking gun' showing Obama administration spied on Trump team, source
I see the members of Barry the Red's rear guard are frantically trying to cover his hind end. President Trump's claim may not be accurate in detail, but he got the gist of it right. One or more officials in the Executive Branch, while Mr. Obama was Chief Executive, and in the midst of a presidential campaign, illegally passed information obtained through electronic surveillance to reporters for the purpose of harming the opposing party's candidate by innuendo.
Those are police state tactics, not unlike the dirty tricks President Nixon had his underlings carry out against political enemies. It is inconceivable, based on just what Director Comey has already said, that both Attorney General Lynch and one or more leading members of Obama's National Security Council did not know what was going on. Apparently they countenanced it, and they may even have directed the unlawful spreading of confidential information to reporters. These leaks--felony disclosures--were ultimately designed to harm Mr. Trump, and they continued after he had been elected President.
I see the members of Barry the Red's rear guard are frantically trying to cover his hind end. President Trump's claim may not be accurate in detail, but he got the gist of it right. One or more officials in the Executive Branch, while Mr. Obama was Chief Executive, and in the midst of a presidential campaign, illegally passed information obtained through electronic surveillance to reporters for the purpose of harming the opposing party's candidate by innuendo.
Those are police state tactics, not unlike the dirty tricks President Nixon had his underlings carry out against political enemies. It is inconceivable, based on just what Director Comey has already said, that both Attorney General Lynch and one or more leading members of Obama's National Security Council did not know what was going on. Apparently they countenanced it, and they may even have directed the unlawful spreading of confidential information to reporters. These leaks--felony disclosures--were ultimately designed to harm Mr. Trump, and they continued after he had been elected President.
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Re: Potential 'smoking gun' showing Obama administration spied on Trump team, source
LOL!
AS I've been saying.......
See the Trump-haters wriggle and writhe......
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LOL!
AS I've been saying.......
See the Trump-haters wriggle and writhe......
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Re: Potential 'smoking gun' showing Obama administration spied on Trump team, source
Assume that any electronic surveillance which took place was carried out legally and only included anyone associated with Mr. Trump incidentally. So what? That is not the end of the story. You conveniently fail to mention that officials in Mr. Obama's Executive Branch must have revealed the names of the persons incidentally involved, which violates a well-established rule that these names are to be redacted. You also conveniently fail to mention that these officials must then have leaked parts of the information obtained through surveillance, along with the name of the Trump associate, to reporters, and that these reporters used this information in stories designed to defame the associate--and indirectly, Mr. Trump himself--by innuendo.
I don't give a damn if President Trump's claim about Obama wiretapping him was not accurate. Does any sentient adult imagine Trump meant Obama himself was sitting there working the controls of the listening devices? What matters is that the gist of the claim is true--officials responsible to Obama, who was then Chief Executive, must have illegally leaked to reporters confidential information obtained through electronic surveillance, for the purpose of damaging the opposing party's candidate for President. Either that, or it was just a little bird that gave those reporters the information they used for months in their hit pieces against Trump.
Assume that any electronic surveillance which took place was carried out legally and only included anyone associated with Mr. Trump incidentally. So what? That is not the end of the story. You conveniently fail to mention that officials in Mr. Obama's Executive Branch must have revealed the names of the persons incidentally involved, which violates a well-established rule that these names are to be redacted. You also conveniently fail to mention that these officials must then have leaked parts of the information obtained through surveillance, along with the name of the Trump associate, to reporters, and that these reporters used this information in stories designed to defame the associate--and indirectly, Mr. Trump himself--by innuendo.
I don't give a damn if President Trump's claim about Obama wiretapping him was not accurate. Does any sentient adult imagine Trump meant Obama himself was sitting there working the controls of the listening devices? What matters is that the gist of the claim is true--officials responsible to Obama, who was then Chief Executive, must have illegally leaked to reporters confidential information obtained through electronic surveillance, for the purpose of damaging the opposing party's candidate for President. Either that, or it was just a little bird that gave those reporters the information they used for months in their hit pieces against Trump.
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Re: Potential 'smoking gun' showing Obama administration spied on Trump team, source
Yup...that EO goes against long-standing intelligence protocol and it makes it apparent that Obama specifically did so to undermine the income admin.
Yup...that EO goes against long-standing intelligence protocol and it makes it apparent that Obama specifically did so to undermine the income admin.
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Re: Potential 'smoking gun' showing Obama administration spied on Trump team, source
Primer on doing legal illegal wiretapping from someone who held an above Top Secret Clearance for many years.
You identify people that talk with Trump on the phone often.
You wiretap all the ones you can make up an excuse to wiretap--foreigners, lawbreakers, left-handed people, immigrants, suspected jaywalkers, anyone with a foreign accent, suspected tax evaders and TV and movie stars and those who eat at Russian restaurants and drink vodka.
Thus as you listen to THEM........you can also listen to Trump's conversations and, OF COURSE, it's ONLY BY ACCIDENT--so it's totally OK!!!!
It's totally legal. You get tons of useful information to use against Trump.
Happy Endings.
ONLY........YOU GET CAUGHT RELEASING THAT INFORMATION--WHICH IS CLASSIFIED!!!
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Primer on doing legal illegal wiretapping from someone who held an above Top Secret Clearance for many years.
You identify people that talk with Trump on the phone often.
You wiretap all the ones you can make up an excuse to wiretap--foreigners, lawbreakers, left-handed people, immigrants, suspected jaywalkers, anyone with a foreign accent, suspected tax evaders and TV and movie stars and those who eat at Russian restaurants and drink vodka.
Thus as you listen to THEM........you can also listen to Trump's conversations and, OF COURSE, it's ONLY BY ACCIDENT--so it's totally OK!!!!
It's totally legal. You get tons of useful information to use against Trump.
Happy Endings.
ONLY........YOU GET CAUGHT RELEASING THAT INFORMATION--WHICH IS CLASSIFIED!!!
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Re: Potential 'smoking gun' showing Obama administration spied on Trump team, source
I'm not saying Obama did it... However, I wouldn't be the least surprised if the least transparent administration did so. The king-wannabe probably rationalized it, in his self-centered head.
I'm not saying Obama did it... However, I wouldn't be the least surprised if the least transparent administration did so. The king-wannabe probably rationalized it, in his self-centered head.
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Re: Potential 'smoking gun' showing Obama administration spied on Trump team, source
I think the problem the Democrats have is that it doesn't even have to be illegal; if it has shades of Watergate plastered all over, the optics will remand the to Dogpatch for decades.
I think the problem the Democrats have is that it doesn't even have to be illegal; if it has shades of Watergate plastered all over, the optics will remand the to Dogpatch for decades.
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Re: Potential 'smoking gun' showing Obama administration spied on Trump team, source
See, if you had read the source instead of making assumptions, you would not make such retarded ****ing mistakes. Here, let me quote for you:
Incidental, meaning it was not intentional.
Some one is "masked" when they are picked up in "wiretaps" of other people.
"Incidental surveillance", and legal. So much for your theory,. Nice try, but next time read the source before saying stupid ****.
See, if you had read the source instead of making assumptions, you would not make such retarded ****ing mistakes. Here, let me quote for you:
Incidental, meaning it was not intentional.
Some one is "masked" when they are picked up in "wiretaps" of other people.
"Incidental surveillance", and legal. So much for your theory,. Nice try, but next time read the source before saying stupid ****.
Re: Potential 'smoking gun' showing Obama administration spied on Trump team, source
Lets see, Trump tells America that something was coming soon. Nunes goes to the White house and low and behold he then makes a b-line for the mic and tells us that the Trump campaign may have been heard during a investigation accidentally. Now despite every Trump supporter in the country going on and on about how making statements without any evidence is worthless, the GOP came out with their own evidence-less claim.
FFS if you believe Trump at this point you are a tool.
Lets see, Trump tells America that something was coming soon. Nunes goes to the White house and low and behold he then makes a b-line for the mic and tells us that the Trump campaign may have been heard during a investigation accidentally. Now despite every Trump supporter in the country going on and on about how making statements without any evidence is worthless, the GOP came out with their own evidence-less claim.
FFS if you believe Trump at this point you are a tool.
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Re: Potential 'smoking gun' showing Obama administration spied on Trump team, source
FOX Alert!
FOX Alert!
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Re: Potential 'smoking gun' showing Obama administration spied on Trump team, source
Vox makes a very good point here....
With as much lying as is done on Capitol Hill, even long before Trump came along I see what Vox here says as being completely within the realm of possibility.
And the fact that key people were "unmasked" as they call it and then leaked to the press makes all of this suspect. No matter what side of the aisle you're on this kind of thing should make anyone at the very least concerned. Even if it didn't happen with Trump and his associates this possibility should concern people.
Add to this the fact that it wouldn't be the first time the Obama admin messed with electioneering.
Frankly I see this as damning.
Now all that said. This does not absolve Trump and his associates of anything. The fact that they were recorded talking to suspect people still needs to be investigated and what was said/done needs to be brought into the light. Like I said about Hillary, if they had done nothing wrong in the first place then all of this would not be happening right now. At least not in the same context. I'm sure those that hate Trump would still find something to bitch and moan about.
Vox makes a very good point here....
With as much lying as is done on Capitol Hill, even long before Trump came along I see what Vox here says as being completely within the realm of possibility.
And the fact that key people were "unmasked" as they call it and then leaked to the press makes all of this suspect. No matter what side of the aisle you're on this kind of thing should make anyone at the very least concerned. Even if it didn't happen with Trump and his associates this possibility should concern people.
Add to this the fact that it wouldn't be the first time the Obama admin messed with electioneering.
Frankly I see this as damning.
Now all that said. This does not absolve Trump and his associates of anything. The fact that they were recorded talking to suspect people still needs to be investigated and what was said/done needs to be brought into the light. Like I said about Hillary, if they had done nothing wrong in the first place then all of this would not be happening right now. At least not in the same context. I'm sure those that hate Trump would still find something to bitch and moan about.
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Re: Potential 'smoking gun' showing Obama administration spied on Trump team, source
Why even bother? It's not like people can't see for themselves that the OP's link is from Fox. It says it right there in the link. Don't even have to click on the link to see it. Is this really the best response you can come up with in response to what the OP and Fox had to say? If so....that's rather pathetic.
Why even bother? It's not like people can't see for themselves that the OP's link is from Fox. It says it right there in the link. Don't even have to click on the link to see it. Is this really the best response you can come up with in response to what the OP and Fox had to say? If so....that's rather pathetic.
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Re: Potential 'smoking gun' showing Obama administration spied on Trump team, source
If its fake news then I'm sure that you'll be able to provide the proof that the Fox story in the OP did not happen?
If its fake news then I'm sure that you'll be able to provide the proof that the Fox story in the OP did not happen?
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Re: Potential 'smoking gun' showing Obama administration spied on Trump team, source
Yeah you're right. I should have said, this opinion was written by FOX. It's biased, one-sided, garbage, and don't pay it any credence. Of course there is no merit to the story. FOX is like the OJ lawyers - putting some doubt into the minds of their constituents. by reaching for any little tidbit they can find.
Yeah you're right. I should have said, this opinion was written by FOX. It's biased, one-sided, garbage, and don't pay it any credence. Of course there is no merit to the story. FOX is like the OJ lawyers - putting some doubt into the minds of their constituents. by reaching for any little tidbit they can find.
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Re: Potential 'smoking gun' showing Obama administration spied on Trump team, source
What part of the story has no merit and why do you think it has no merit?
What part of the story has no merit and why do you think it has no merit?
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Re: Potential 'smoking gun' showing Obama administration spied on Trump team, source
Some funny math you got going there... BushII REALLY 'relaxed' information sharing- was hailed as a YUGE step toward fighting terrorists...
If an American citizen is communicating with someone OUTSIDE the country and NOT a US Citizen then the information is legally obtained.
But you deflect, distort, and forget what Trump claimed. Not some of his people were caught talking to Russians but President Obama ordered his phones in Trump Tower to be bugged...
eace
Some funny math you got going there... BushII REALLY 'relaxed' information sharing- was hailed as a YUGE step toward fighting terrorists...
If an American citizen is communicating with someone OUTSIDE the country and NOT a US Citizen then the information is legally obtained.
But you deflect, distort, and forget what Trump claimed. Not some of his people were caught talking to Russians but President Obama ordered his phones in Trump Tower to be bugged...
eace
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Re: Potential 'smoking gun' showing Obama administration spied on Trump team, source
Obama relaxed them even more, in January.
Some funny math you got going there... BushII REALLY 'relaxed' information sharing- was hailed as a YUGE step toward fighting terrorists...
If an American citizen is communicating with someone OUTSIDE the country and NOT a US Citizen then the information is legally obtained.
But you deflect, distort, and forget what Trump claimed. Not some of his people were caught talking to Russians but President Obama ordered his phones in Trump Tower to be bugged...
Obama relaxed them even more, in January.