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Potential 'smoking gun' showing Obama administration spied on Trump team, source says

Re: Potential 'smoking gun' showing Obama administration spied on Trump team, source

Let him tell it to the various investigators/

Once again , DENY , DENY , DENY ,then DEFLECT , DEFLECT , DEFLECT ! :lol:
 
Re: Potential 'smoking gun' showing Obama administration spied on Trump team, source

Give me a break! An interview with FOX Business News. Lies - lies - lies....

I know you prefer the C linton N ews N etwork and Donna Braile . :lol: :lol: :roll:
 
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If there's nothing there then the investigations will be proof and the Trump administration and his family can move on and govern. Right?

If they are all innocent of the charges they have nothing to fear or lose.
 
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I am 67 years old. I was raised to mean what you say and say what you mean. When somebody tells me that Jack killed his neighbors pig - I hear that somebody named Jack killed a pig who belonged to his neighbor. I do not stop and ask if he is being literal or figurative or if the word pig is clumsy shorthand for something different that a pig or if the word killed means something other than what it does.

Look - lets be brutally frank here and not pull any puches - Trump is a freakin train wreck who has nearly daily diahrea of the mouth. He constantly says obviously stupid stuff that bites him in his own ass making him look stupid. What the right tries to do is pretend that Trump should NOT be evaluated on the basis for what he says precisely because he is Trump, is prone to senseless hyperbole, uses word as points of negotiation, and has all the problems communicating and being clear that he does.

SCREW THAT.

I judge Trump the same way I judge the words of others. Anything else would not be right nor proper.

What this comes down to is that Trump apologists are taking the position that you cannot judge Trump by his words because the man does not use words like every other person on the planet. Sorry - but that does not wash.
I agree with you about holding people to their word and if we are going to be frank about it. The majority of what trump says is taken out of context.

Where i come from if you tell me its raining cats and dogs outside. I dont take them litterally. I understand they mean its raining really hard.

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I agree with you about holding people to their word and if we are going to be frank about it. The majority of what trump says is taken out of context.

Where i come from if you tell me its raining cats and dogs outside. I dont take them litterally. I understand they mean its raining really hard.

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There is a Grand Canyon width of difference between saying it is raining cats and dogs - something which has never happened int he entire billion and billion history of the world that we have any evidence of.... and a President ordering wiretapping of another citizen. The two cannot even be compared.
 
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I agree with you about holding people to their word and if we are going to be frank about it. The majority of what trump says is taken out of context.

Where i come from if you tell me its raining cats and dogs outside. I dont take them litterally. I understand they mean its raining really hard.

Raining cats and dogs is a commonly used figure of speech, we all understand exactly what it means, it is raining hard.

However:
Terrible! Just found out that Obama had my "wires tapped" in Trump Tower just before the victory.
IS NOT A FIGURE OF SPEECH.

It is a very specific charge against a specific person. The president must be specific and truthful in his speech if he is to have CREDIBILITY. Trump is losing credibility by the day.

He charged there was widespread voter fraud, millions of undocumented workers had voted. Congress would not even investigate, unless Trump produced some creditable evidence, McConnel said he would not waste taxpayer money. The state level secretary of state in many states said there was no widespread voter fraud. No credibility.

Similar story on the size of his inauguration audience. No credibility. The photos don't lie.

We're going to repeal and replace Obamacare, cover everybody. Lie. Repub plan was going to throw 24 million people off health insurance. No credibility.
 
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Raining cats and dogs is a commonly used figure of speech, we all understand exactly what it means, it is raining hard.

However: IS NOT A FIGURE OF SPEECH.

It is a very specific charge against a specific person. The president must be specific and truthful in his speech if he is to have CREDIBILITY. Trump is losing credibility by the day.

He charged there was widespread voter fraud, millions of undocumented workers had voted. Congress would not even investigate, unless Trump produced some creditable evidence, McConnel said he would not waste taxpayer money. The state level secretary of state in many states said there was no widespread voter fraud. No credibility.

Similar story on the size of his inauguration audience. No credibility. The photos don't lie.

We're going to repeal and replace Obamacare, cover everybody. Lie. Repub plan was going to throw 24 million people off health insurance. No credibility.
I agree that his credability has deservedly taken a hit but his critics credability are also taking the same hit when they exegerate things the way they have.

Fact is that trump left himself cover in his claims about wiretapping and illegal voters. The absence of proof does not disprove his allegation, at least without a full investigation.

Healthcare however he did make a direct promise to people and has an obligation to put forth a proposal. I hope he does fail on this promise because i think its a principly faulty approach but either way he gets a bigger window than 2 months.

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Re: Potential 'smoking gun' showing Obama administration spied on Trump team, source

Testimony before Congress buy Comey and Rogers says so.

Both Comey and Clapper have said there is zero evidence of collusion.
 
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Both Comey and Clapper have said there is zero evidence of collusion.

No evidence has been presented that is ironclad PROOF. However, circumstantial evidence exits to warrant a formal investigation, which is underway. Clearly Flynn had contact with the russian ambassador right after Obama sanctioned russia for interfering in our election process. There is a declassified report that the russians interfered in our election, on behalf of Trump and against Clinton. Flynn discussed the sanctions with russian ambassador and lied to Pence about it. Why is he lying if he has nothing to hide. Flynn was working for Turkey at rate of $500K, and supposedly did not tell Trump, nor register as an agent of a foreign govt. (illegal). Then there is Manfort's connections to russia and Ukraine. Then we have the Trump people watering down the republican plank on providing weapons to Ukraine (which would help Putin invade Ukraine farther. If Obama had done one forth of this, conservatives would be calling for a full investigation and talking impeachment. Trump is a Putin appeaser. When an interviewer pointed out that 6 Putin critics have been murdered in the last 6 months, Trump defended Putin:

WEST PALM BEACH, Fla. — President Trump has long been effusive in his praise for Russian President Vladimir Putin, despite criticism from Republicans and Democrats alike.

In an interview with Fox News's Bill O'Reilly, which will air ahead of the Super Bowl on Sunday, Trump doubled down on his “respect” for Putin — even in the face of accusations that Putin and his associates have murdered journalists and dissidents in Russia.

“I do respect him. Well, I respect a lot of people, but that doesn’t mean I’ll get along with them,” Trump told O'Reilly.

O'Reilly pressed on, declaring to the president that “Putin is a killer.”

Unfazed, Trump didn't back away, but rather compared Putin's reputation for extrajudicial killings with the United States'.

There are a lot of killers. We have a lot of killers,” Trump said. “Well, you think our country is so innocent?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-countrys-so-innocent/?utm_term=.be0255f37d45

That's pretty pathetic, putting the US down in the category with Russia.
 
Re: Potential 'smoking gun' showing Obama administration spied on Trump team, source

No evidence has been presented that is ironclad PROOF. However, circumstantial evidence exits to warrant a formal investigation, which is underway. Clearly Flynn had contact with the russian ambassador right after Obama sanctioned russia for interfering in our election process. There is a declassified report that the russians interfered in our election, on behalf of Trump and against Clinton. Flynn discussed the sanctions with russian ambassador and lied to Pence about it. Why is he lying if he has nothing to hide. Flynn was working for Turkey at rate of $500K, and supposedly did not tell Trump, nor register as an agent of a foreign govt. (illegal). Then there is Manfort's connections to russia and Ukraine. Then we have the Trump people watering down the republican plank on providing weapons to Ukraine (which would help Putin invade Ukraine farther. If Obama had done one forth of this, conservatives would be calling for a full investigation and talking impeachment. Trump is a Putin appeaser. When an interviewer pointed out that 6 Putin critics have been murdered in the last 6 months, Trump defended Putin:


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-countrys-so-innocent/?utm_term=.be0255f37d45

That's pretty pathetic, putting the US down in the category with Russia.


Just like you admitted, even after investigations, no proof of anything.
 
Re: Potential 'smoking gun' showing Obama administration spied on Trump team, source

Since you question all MSM other than FAUX News, I thought I'd give you a Mother Jones article. Oh, by the way, the same article appeared in the Washington Post, and other outlets.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/powe...83e627dc120_story.html?utm_term=.1b83e42ebcf5

I don't even watch Faux News (although I do like Chris Wallace). The fact that you even read Mother Jones just goes to show how out of touch you are with reality.
 
Re: Potential 'smoking gun' showing Obama administration spied on Trump team, source

So President Obama ordered a wiretap of Trumps phones during the election campaign?

Probably not Obama personally. He was not likely to have needed the work product, since he was on his way out. So he lacks motive. But the DNC has motive, has democrats in position to receive, leak, and distribute the data, and has the intelligence apparatus to do it.

Obama did make a law on the way out allowing sharing of intelligence information between all agencies, and this is the result.

My guess is a quiet political truce will be reached and we'll never get a straight answer, or justice, just like with the Clintons, and changes will happen behind the scenes.
 
Re: Potential 'smoking gun' showing Obama administration spied on Trump team, source

No evidence has been presented that is ironclad PROOF. However, circumstantial evidence exits to warrant a formal investigation, which is underway. Clearly Flynn had contact with the russian ambassador right after Obama sanctioned russia for interfering in our election process. There is a declassified report that the russians interfered in our election, on behalf of Trump and against Clinton. Flynn discussed the sanctions with russian ambassador and lied to Pence about it. Why is he lying if he has nothing to hide. Flynn was working for Turkey at rate of $500K, and supposedly did not tell Trump, nor register as an agent of a foreign govt. (illegal). Then there is Manfort's connections to russia and Ukraine. Then we have the Trump people watering down the republican plank on providing weapons to Ukraine (which would help Putin invade Ukraine farther. If Obama had done one forth of this, conservatives would be calling for a full investigation and talking impeachment. Trump is a Putin appeaser. When an interviewer pointed out that 6 Putin critics have been murdered in the last 6 months, Trump defended Putin:


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-countrys-so-innocent/?utm_term=.be0255f37d45

That's pretty pathetic, putting the US down in the category with Russia.

You really like to play small ball, don't you.

Russia is cozying up to China, is at odds with Japan, and is threatening Eastern Europe. To answer this, Trump is rebuilding our military, sweeping away regulations, and increasing oil production, all three of these are aimed at Russia's economy. You want Trump to go out in Public and call Putin a murdering gangster thief? So are the rest of our adversaries. Should he call them out, too?

We don't need any more fingers on nuclear triggers than we have already. Sometimes a kind, insincere word is a better strategy. We may need their help on North Korea some day soon.
 
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Just like you admitted, even after investigations, no proof of anything.

The investigation is in progress, and I'll await its outcome. There is also no formal finding the the Trump camp did not collude with the Russians.
 
Re: Potential 'smoking gun' showing Obama administration spied on Trump team, source

You really like to play small ball, don't you.

Russia is cozying up to China, is at odds with Japan, and is threatening Eastern Europe. To answer this, Trump is rebuilding our military, sweeping away regulations, and increasing oil production, all three of these are aimed at Russia's economy. You want Trump to go out in Public and call Putin a murdering gangster thief? So are the rest of our adversaries. Should he call them out, too?

We don't need any more fingers on nuclear triggers than we have already. Sometimes a kind, insincere word is a better strategy. We may need their help on North Korea some day soon.

It remains to be seen how much Trump rebuilds our military, but the threat from Russia is NOT military, it is cyber attack and propaganda on behalf of Trump. More tanks will not protect us from cyber attack and propaganda, especially as long as Trump is a Russia appeaser. Sweeping away regulation is NOT aimed at the Russian economy. It may increase our economic competitiveness in a general sense, and that would be an aid relative to every nation in the world, it has NOTHING specific to do with Russia. Increasing oil production is merely a function of technology, specifically fracking. That technology has progressed over the last 15 years, and has absolutely NOTHING to do with Trump, nor does it specifically aim at Russian. It also hurts the position of Saudi Arabia, Iran, Iraq, Venezuela and Canada, to name a few.

Ronald Reagan called the old soviet union the "evil empire". They are not going to launch any missiles over a few words. But then again, Reagan was not a Russian appeaser.
 
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