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Trump Administration apologizes to G.B.

haymarket said:
yeah - adding all those jobs..... getting us out from the economic freefall of 2008 ..... damage indeed. :doh:roll:
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Government jobs dont count and create nothing. Dont fall for statistics that are so easily manipulated.

Back here on earth it sucked.
 
akyron said:
Government jobs dont count and create nothing. Dont fall for statistics that are so easily manipulated.

Back here on earth it sucked.
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And the source of information would be what exactly..... you? :doh:roll:
 
haymarket said:
Of course there has been no apology. Instead Trump says go to extremist Andrew Napolitano as all Spicier did was repeat what that extremist whack job has said.

Trump is the most irresponsible and dangerous President in modern history. He is mentally damaged and does not know the difference between reality and his own self imposed delusional state. He must be removed from the office ASAP before he does irreparable damage to the nation, its people and possibly the world.
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Isn't Napolitano a 9/11 Truther? It figures that the Orange Fascist would rely on him for his intelligence reports.

By the way, there was no apology. As someone else pointed out, we used to have to choose between the UK and Germany as to who we were going to piss off. O.F. managed to get them both in one day. Congratulations to the fat, bulbous toad.
 
iguanaman said:
Like what? The Muslim ban? Trumpcare? Gutting the State Dept.? Kissing Putin's ass? What specifically do you like?
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Well, at least you dispassionately describe situations without any bias.

Do you work for Rachel Maddow?
 
haymarket said:
And the source of information would be what exactly..... you? :doh:roll:
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There's that whole thing about being the only President since Herbert Hoover to avoid posting even one year of 3% growth or better.

Are you seriously bragging about the economic performance under the heel of Obama and his goons?
 
code1211 said:
There's that whole thing about being the only President since Herbert Hoover to avoid posting even one year of 3% growth or better.

Are you seriously bragging about the economic performance under the heel of Obama and his goons?
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The man started out in a deep pit. He worked hard and the country climbed out of that deep pit and over upwards. In the real world we call that progress and improvement.

Obama?s Economic Record: An Assessment - The New Yorker

Obama’s policies helped lift the economy out of a frightening slump and set it on a path to steady, if unspectacular, growth. In fact, I’d call this his biggest achievement. The scale of the financial panic of 2008 and the extent of the job losses that occurred in the first months of 2009 should never be forgotten. By “a number of macroeconomic measures—including household wealth, employment and trade flows—the first year of the Great Recession in the United States saw declines that were as large or larger than at the outset of the Great Depression in 1929-30,” Jason Furman, the chairman of the White House Council of Economic Advisers, recounted in an exit memo that he posted online this week.
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and this

In addition, if you look at employment rather than at G.D.P., the Obama recovery looks much stronger. Since the start of 2010, the U.S. economy has created about 2.4 million jobs per year. During the Bush recovery of 2002-2007, annual job growth was just 1.2 million. In terms of jobs, the Obama recovery compares with the Clinton recovery, of the nineteen-nineties, when approximately 2.8 million jobs were created each year. The difference between Obama’s record and Bush’s is even starker if you focus on entire Presidential terms, including periods of recession as well as periods of recovery. Between January, 2001, and December, 2008, 2.1 million jobs were created. Between January, 2009, and December, 2016, 11.3 million jobs were created. The economy created nearly five and a half times more jobs under Obama than it did under Bush.
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haymarket said:
The man started out in a deep pit. He worked hard and the country climbed out of that deep pit and over upwards. In the real world we call that progress and improvement.

Obama?s Economic Record: An Assessment - The New Yorker



and this
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Starting that "deep pit", posting a 3% growth year should have been an automatic.

Somehow, he terrorized the entrepreneurs to the point that they put their bank rolls on the sideline.

Do you think about what the meaning of your posts is before you hit the reply button?

Regarding the employment situation, you do realize, don't you, that when Obama left office, there were more Americans unemployed, on Food Stamps, receiving welfare, living in poverty and on Federal Aid than at any point in American history, don't you?

How do you square this with the economic miracle you describe?

I eagerly await your indictment of BUUUUUSSSSSHHHHH.
 
code1211 said:
Starting that "deep pit", posting a 3% growth year should have been an automatic.

Somehow, he terrorized the entrepreneurs to the point that they put their bank rolls on the sideline.

Do you think about what the meaning of your posts is before you hit the reply button?

Regarding the employment situation, you do realize, don't you, that when Obama left office, there were more Americans unemployed, on Food Stamps, receiving welfare, living in poverty and on Federal Aid than at any point in American history, don't you?

How do you square this with the economic miracle you describe?

I eagerly await your indictment of BUUUUUSSSSSHHHHH.
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Nothing is automatic in something as complicated as economics in a change world.

Aren't there more Americans alive than at any point in history? So those things you point out are not actually shocking.
 
haymarket said:
Nothing is automatic in something as complicated as economics in a change world.

Aren't there more Americans alive than at any point in history? So those things you point out are not actually shocking.
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There are.

In all categories, though, the numbers in the bad categories are up and the numbers in the good categories are down.

You can rationalize all you want, but the numbers are the numbers. In truth, when you need to rationalize to show improvements, that only highlights the dismal outcomes.

Percentages have risen for decades in the good numbers and now under Obama retreated routinely. He seemed to measure success in terms of those who needed help as opposed to those who had achieved independence from need.

His hope and change was an ongoing decay of opportunity and improvement.

Obama’s Numbers (January 2016 Update)
 
code1211 said:
There are.

In all categories, though, the numbers in the bad categories are up and the numbers in the good categories are down.

You can rationalize all you want, but the numbers are the numbers. In truth, when you need to rationalize to show improvements, that only highlights the dismal outcomes.

Percentages have risen for decades in the good numbers and now under Obama retreated routinely. He seemed to measure success in terms of those who needed help as opposed to those who had achieved independence from need.

His hope and change was an ongoing decay of opportunity and improvement.

Obama’s Numbers (January 2016 Update)
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Can you tell me how the presidency of Obama was responsible for the shift and changes that occur from a manufacturing based economy with good paying union jobs to that of a service based economy without them?
 
haymarket said:
Can you tell me how the presidency of Obama was responsible for the shift and changes that occur from a manufacturing based economy with good paying union jobs to that of a service based economy without them?
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That shift occurred long before the Presidency of Obama. Under Clinton, the lack of manufacturing was masked by the uptick in the .com stuff. Under Bush, the increases continued for a while than stopped.

Under Obama, the stagnation continued and that is the problem.

His deficiency is not in making it happen.

His deficiency is in not creating the remedy in a positive way.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_income_in_the_United_States
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Personal income in the United States
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
For information on the income of households, see Household income in the United States.
This article is part of a series on
Income in the
United States of America
US 50 Cent Rev.png
Topics[hide]
Household Personal Affluence
Social class Income inequality gender pay gap racial wage gap
Lists by income[show]
Flag of the United States.svg United States portal
v t e

Per capita United States income, 2001-2011

Median personal income for the population age 25 or older in 2005.[1]

Personal income is an individual's total earnings from wages, investment interest, and other sources.

The US Census Bureau reported a median personal income of $30,240 for all workers over age 15 with income, and a mean personal income of $44,510 based on the Current Population Survey for 2015.[2]

Inflation-adjusted ("real") per-capita disposable personal income rose steadily in the U.S. from 1945 to 2008, but has since remained generally level.[3][4]
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code1211 said:
That shift occurred long before the Presidency of Obama.
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And continues to go on year after year after year.

So why blame the Obama years then?
 
iguanaman said:
Like what? The Muslim ban? Trumpcare? Gutting the State Dept.? Kissing Putin's ass? What specifically do you like?
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Tpp
Start repeal of Obamacare
Reinstated the Mexico City policy
Regulations freeze
Hiring freeze
Cabinet appointments moving forward despite democrat bowel blockage
Encouraged jobs growth across the country
Border wall process started
Supreme Court nomination is reasonable

IBM joins a growing list of companies announcing major expansion in the age of Trump. The list includes 45,000 jobs announced by Exxon Mobil, 10,000 new jobs at Kroger, 10,000 jobs at Walmart, another 10,000 jobs to be offered by U.S. Steel, and 50,000 by SoftBank Telecommunications, among many others.

And on and on.

One has to come out of the liberal echo chamber to get some fresh air.
 
haymarket said:
Of course there has been no apology. Instead Trump says go to extremist Andrew Napolitano as all Spicier did was repeat what that extremist whack job has said.

Trump is the most irresponsible and dangerous President in modern history. He is mentally damaged and does not know the difference between reality and his own self imposed delusional state. He must be removed from the office ASAP before he does irreparable damage to the nation, its people and possibly the world.
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Isn't andrew the fabulous lawyer the "gov took down the trade center" guy?
 
haymarket said:
And continues to go on year after year after year.

So why blame the Obama years then?
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If a company of Fire Fighters sat idly by and watched a house burn to the ground which, in the process, threw sparks elsewhere causing other homes to also burn to the ground, did that company of Fire Fighters do anything wrong?

Of course not! They didn't do anything at all.

This was the strategy employed by Obama in one way.

In other ways he actively acted against business in attacking the folks folks who wanted to provide non-union jobs.

Through a combination of unfriendly tax policies, unfriendly regulatory actions and unfair and inequitable enforcement of laws on the books, Obama terrorized the business community.

When Trump was elected, the DJI Average gained 257 points on the next day. Wednesday after the election, the DJI Average closed at 18,332. ON Friday, March 17, it closed at 20,915. if you have an IRA, your in estacy right about now.

The DJI ran up the 1000 points between 20,000 and 21,000 to close above 21,000 a few weeks ago as fast as it ever had in the past. That means it tied a record a record in growth which you could change to read optimism. A few weeks ago, for the first time ever, every major stock exchange in the US Closed at a record high on the same day.

Face it. Your boy was a curse against business and every business man and investor saw it.

How did this manage to escape your impartial notice of current events?
 
code1211 said:
If a company of Fire Fighters sat idly by and watched a house burn to the ground which, in the process, threw sparks elsewhere causing other homes to also burn to the ground, did that company of Fire Fighters do anything wrong?

Of course not! They didn't do anything at all.

This was the strategy employed by Obama in one way.

In other ways he actively acted against business in attacking the folks folks who wanted to provide non-union jobs.

Through a combination of unfriendly tax policies, unfriendly regulatory actions and unfair and inequitable enforcement of laws on the books, Obama terrorized the business community.

When Trump was elected, the DJI Average gained 257 points on the next day. Wednesday after the election, the DJI Average closed at 18,332. ON Friday, March 17, it closed at 20,915. if you have an IRA, your in estacy right about now.

The DJI ran up the 1000 points between 20,000 and 21,000 to close above 21,000 a few weeks ago as fast as it ever had in the past. That means it tied a record a record in growth which you could change to read optimism. A few weeks ago, for the first time ever, every major stock exchange in the US Closed at a record high on the same day.

Face it. Your boy was a curse against business and every business man and investor saw it.

How did this manage to escape your impartial notice of current events?
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And I am suppose to care about the Dow Jones why exactly?

I could try and make a big deal that the Dow went up 140% under Obama. It would have to hit 50,000 to have that same success under Trump. But why should I care? I have never used it to brag about Obama and I could also care less about it.
 
code1211 said:
That shift occurred long before the Presidency of Obama. Under Clinton, the lack of manufacturing was masked by the uptick in the .com stuff. Under Bush, the increases continued for a while than stopped.

Under Obama, the stagnation continued and that is the problem.

His deficiency is not in making it happen.

His deficiency is in not creating the remedy in a positive way.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_income_in_the_United_States
<snip>
Personal income in the United States
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
For information on the income of households, see Household income in the United States.
This article is part of a series on
Income in the
United States of America
US 50 Cent Rev.png
Topics[hide]
Household Personal Affluence
Social class Income inequality gender pay gap racial wage gap
Lists by income[show]
Flag of the United States.svg United States portal
v t e

Per capita United States income, 2001-2011

Median personal income for the population age 25 or older in 2005.[1]

Personal income is an individual's total earnings from wages, investment interest, and other sources.

The US Census Bureau reported a median personal income of $30,240 for all workers over age 15 with income, and a mean personal income of $44,510 based on the Current Population Survey for 2015.[2]

Inflation-adjusted ("real") per-capita disposable personal income rose steadily in the U.S. from 1945 to 2008, but has since remained generally level.[3][4]
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As you can see from this chart, wages have stagnated since 1980's Reaganomics took control of our economy. We keep waiting for the money to trickle down but the rich keep getting richer and we keep getting poorer. The tax cuts for the wealthy have been disastrous for the middle class. If we don't reverse them there will be no middle class left. The lower the taxes on the rich the more money they keep for themselves.

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haymarket said:
And I am suppose to care about the Dow Jones why exactly?

I could try and make a big deal that the Dow went up 140% under Obama. It would have to hit 50,000 to have that same success under Trump. But why should I care? I have never used it to brag about Obama and I could also care less about it.
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You demonstrate the emptiness of Obama's success with this post.

Obama started in a huge hole. Making HUGE gains was an automatic. Not even HE could stop it.

The DJI was at about 14,000 before the crash and ended up at about 18,000 on election day.

The DJI is just a measure of optimism. The US is more optimistic about the future right now than at any time in the last 8 years.

The same optimism has gripped everyone from home builders to small business owners to investors to run of the mill every day consumers.

If this has not been noticed by you, you may not be asking what is different now than 6 months ago.

If you have noticed, you might have made the obvious connection between Obama going away and Trump entering the scene.

Dow Jones - 10 Year Daily Chart | MacroTrends

Economic Optimism Hits New 10-Year High As Trump Rally Continues | Stock News & Stock Market Analysis - IBD

https://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-home-builder-optimism-hits-10-year-high-1445263381

Small business optimism gains the most since 1980 - Jan. 10, 2017

https://globenewswire.com/news-rele...ar-High-as-Trump-Prepares-to-Take-Office.html
 
iguanaman said:
As you can see from this chart, wages have stagnated since 1980's Reaganomics took control of our economy. We keep waiting for the money to trickle down but the rich keep getting richer and we keep getting poorer. The tax cuts for the wealthy have been disastrous for the middle class. If we don't reverse them there will be no middle class left. The lower the taxes on the rich the more money they keep for themselves.

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Well, we seem to have varying sources.

Where did yours come from?
 
code1211 said:
Well, at least you dispassionately describe situations without any bias.

Do you work for Rachel Maddow?
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Do you work for Vladamir Putin? Or are you just an admirer of his hand puppet Trump?
 
Wiggen said:
Do you work for Vladamir Putin? Or are you just an admirer of his hand puppet Trump?
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Sorry! Didn't mean to touch a nerve.

When you start shrieking the Democrat Party line, I only wanted to call your attention to the departure from impartiality.

You know, just in case you thought you were quoting facts.
 
code1211 said:
You demonstrate the emptiness of Obama's success with this post.

Obama started in a huge hole. Making HUGE gains was an automatic. Not even HE could stop it.

The DJI was at about 14,000 before the crash and ended up at about 18,000 on election day.

The DJI is just a measure of optimism. The US is more optimistic about the future right now than at any time in the last 8 years.

The same optimism has gripped everyone from home builders to small business owners to investors to run of the mill every day consumers.

If this has not been noticed by you, you may not be asking what is different now than 6 months ago.

If you have noticed, you might have made the obvious connection between Obama going away and Trump entering the scene.

Dow Jones - 10 Year Daily Chart | MacroTrends

Economic Optimism Hits New 10-Year High As Trump Rally Continues | Stock News & Stock Market Analysis - IBD

https://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-home-builder-optimism-hits-10-year-high-1445263381

Small business optimism gains the most since 1980 - Jan. 10, 2017

https://globenewswire.com/news-rele...ar-High-as-Trump-Prepares-to-Take-Office.html
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Nice post.

You did not answer my question.

Want to try?
 
code1211 said:
Well, we seem to have varying sources.

Where did yours come from?
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The sources are listed on the graph. BEA=Bureau of Economic Analysis BLS= Bureau of Labor Statistics

As far as the "optimism" from DJT, consumers are fickle and it is likely to be short lived. Most of what they are optimistic about are Trumps lies. Like when he said my health plan will insure all at much lower cost. That makes Obama's statement that you can keep your plan seem almost truthful.
 
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