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Top Trump aide wears medal of Hungarian Nazi collaborators

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A top aide to US President Donald Trump who recently defended the administration’s omission of Jews from a Holocaust Remembrance Day statement has on several occasions worn insignia tied to Nazi collaborators in Hungary.
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He denies being a member, of course. Nazis, upon extradition to The Hague to stand trial for war crimes, denied being Nazis too.

In Gorka's case, the Hungarian Nazi organization has affirmed his membership. Not only that, but Gorka actually signed his PhD dissertation "Sebestyén L. v. Gorka”, where L. v. stands for that Nazi organization.

That Breitbart, where Gorka worked before being brought to Washington by Steve Bannon, is an extremist White Nationalist site, is beyond dispute. So is the fact that Gorka is a Nazi. I don't judge him by what he is saying. I judge him by what he has actually done, and the evidence against him is overwhelming.

Queue Trump supporters claiming that this is a plot by the Jews to destroy the Trump Presidency in 3, 2, 1........

Top Trump aide wears medal of Hungarian Nazi collaborators | The Times of Israel
 
Nazi is the incredibly boring default slur for Neoliberals bereft of intelligent argument.
 
Vox said:
Nazi is the incredibly boring default slur for Neoliberals bereft of intelligent argument.
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But in this instance, Gorka is literally wearing a medal that belongs to self identified Nazis. Along with Gorka himself having a membership to a group that, of their own volition call themselves Nazis. Do you fail to say how that should be a cause for concern?
 
Vox said:
Nazi is the incredibly boring default slur for Neoliberals bereft of intelligent argument.
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Bereft of intelligent argument.
Irony.
The guy is identifying with Nazis.
 
If you read the article it says the organization in question existed eight centuries before the Nazis and is not now associated with Nazis.

So.......isn't this just more wishful thinking by the Trump-haters?

Israel loves Trump.

So........this charge is gonna be a tough one to sustain, I'd say.
 
danarhea said:
He denies being a member, of course. Nazis, upon extradition to The Hague to stand trial for war crimes, denied being Nazis too.

In Gorka's case, the Hungarian Nazi organization has affirmed his membership. Not only that, but Gorka actually signed his PhD dissertation "Sebestyén L. v. Gorka”, where L. v. stands for that Nazi organization.

That Breitbart, where Gorka worked before being brought to Washington by Steve Bannon, is an extremist White Nationalist site, is beyond dispute. So is the fact that Gorka is a Nazi. I don't judge him by what he is saying. I judge him by what he has actually done, and the evidence against him is overwhelming.

Queue Trump supporters claiming that this is a plot by the Jews to destroy the Trump Presidency in 3, 2, 1........

Top Trump aide wears medal of Hungarian Nazi collaborators | The Times of Israel
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Old news and has been debunked.
 
Vox said:
If you read the article it says the organization in question existed eight centuries before the Nazis and is not now associated with Nazis.

So.......isn't this just more wishful thinking by the Trump-haters?

Israel loves Trump.

So........this charge is gonna be a tough one to sustain, I'd say.
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Israel loves Trump? And all Jews love Netanyahu because their Jewish, right? :roll: Talk to us about stereotyping.
 
The Order of Vitéz was abolished in the years of 1947-1948.[54] Gorka's father, Paul Gorka, was never a member of this Order and received a "Vitéz" medal from Hungarian exiles "for his resistance to dictatorship" in 1979.[55] Gorka himself stated that he wears this medal in remembrance of his father, who was awarded the decoration for his efforts to create an anti-Communist, pro-democracy organization at the university he attended in Hungary.[56] Robert Kerepeszki, Hungarian expert of the Order of Vitéz, has confirmed that there were ruptures in the organization of the Order of Vitéz on the question of Nazism during the war, many of them died fighting against Hungarian Nazis, and Gorka's medal had nothing to do with the war period, but was awarded "for his resistance to dictatorship."[57][52][58] The "tunic" that Gorka wore was only the traditional Hungarian jacket, known as a bocskai.[52][58][note 1]
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sebastian_Gorka
 
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Risky Thicket said:
Israel loves Trump? And all Jews love Netanyahu because their Jewish, right? :roll: Talk to us about stereotyping.
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Try two democracies that are allies.
 
Risky Thicket said:
Israel loves Trump? And all Jews love Netanyahu because their Jewish, right? :roll: Talk to us about stereotyping.
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As usual, I didn't say that, but you did.

I said Israel loves Trump.......you added the stupid parts.
 
coldjoint said:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sebastian_Gorka
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From Wikipedia, which anybody can edit.

Are you now going to claim that the Times of Israel puts out fake news too? They did say in their article that Gorka signed his PhD dissertation with L. v., which was the letters for membership in that Nazi organization.

Just in case you answer yes to that question, I am miles ahead of you. Here is an actual copy of Gorka's PhD dissertation, on file with the university itself, and L. v. is in the signature. Smoking gun. He was a member. He didn't wear that medal for nothing. His story about it is a big fat lie.

http://phd.lib.uni-corvinus.hu/314/2/gorka_sebestyen_ten.pdf
 
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danarhea said:
Are you now going to claim that the Times of Israel puts out fake news too? They did say in their article that Gorka signed his PhD dissertation with L v, which was the letters for membership in that Nazi organization.
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Only it's not a Nazi organization, it's an organization that was associated with Nazis in the 1930s and 40s.

You're working too hard in your attempts to slander Trump. Get over it.
 
danarhea said:
From Wikipedia, which anybody can edit.

Are you now going to claim that the Times of Israel puts out fake news too? They did say in their article that Gorka signed his PhD dissertation with L v, which was the letters for membership in that Nazi organization. Oh my God, must be another one of those Jewish conspiracies. Right?

Just in case you answer yes to that question, I am miles ahead of you. Here is an actual copy of Gorka's PhD dissertation, on file with the university itself, and L. v. is in the signature. Smoking gun. He was a member.

http://phd.lib.uni-corvinus.hu/314/2/gorka_sebestyen_ten.pdf
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Obama belonged to a Communist party in Chicago. Maybe we should hang both of them.
 
From the Anne Frank Center:

SEBASTIAN GORKA, A TOP AIDE TO PRESIDENT TRUMP, MUST RESIGN. Statement of Steven Goldstein, Executive Director of the Anne Frank Center for Mutual Respect:

“Sebastian Gorka must resign – and President Trump must make it happen. That Sebastian Gorka cannot even deny he has links with a Nazi-affiliated organization is symptomatic of the grotesque Antisemitism that has infected the Trump White House. How many ducks in the Trump White House must walk, talk and quack Antisemitically before our country wakes up and sees the greater problem? This Administration has staff with shockingly Antisemitic pasts, and it is hard to imagine they have nothing to do with the horrifically weak reactions to Antisemitic hate crimes that we see coming from this Administration. It does a disservice to the Jewish community to refuse to connect the dots of #Antisemitism – including Sebastian Gorka and his background – we see in the White House.” #NeverAgain
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https://www.facebook.com/AnneFrankCenterforMutualRespect/posts/10155232525334040
 
coldjoint said:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sebastian_Gorka
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The State Department considers Vitézi Rend a Nazi-linked group...so if Gorka failed to declare his membership to the group upon entering the country...he could be deported....


The Forward, which had previously reported on connections between Gorka and Hungarian anti-Semites, speculated that Gorka could be jeopardizing his immigration status if he is a member of Vitézi Rend but did not declare it upon entering the country, as required by the State Department, which considers it a Nazi-linked group....
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coldjoint said:
Obama belonged to a Communist party in Chicago. Maybe we should hang both of them.
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Thats a lie. Maybe you should just stop. :roll:
 
Moot said:
The State Department considers Vitézi Rend a Nazi-linked group...so if Gorka failed to declare his membership to the group upon entering the country...he could be deported....
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Only........he's not a member.

Gosh......you folks are amazing.

Is the White House overrun with Nazis or Russian Spies??? Or both? (They don't get along, you know.)

Here an article that's a little more realistic and balanced.

Sebastian Gorka pushes back on Nazi allegations as colleagues deny he's anti-Semitic - Business Insider

Some of Gorka's colleagues in the national security community have come forward to defend him and insist that he's not anti-Semitic.

"I find the attacks completely, completely and utterly ridiculous," David Reaboi, a national-security consultant who has written for conservative publications like The Federalist and RedState and said he has known Gorka for years, told Business Insider last month.

Reaboi said he's also Hungarian and that his parents fled communism, like Gorka's.

"I'm very much sensitive to anti-Semitism and frankly have fought it professionally and personally for all of my life," Reaboi said. "If I thought for a second that Seb would be hospitable to that point of view, I mean, I never would have been around him."

Reaboi said the stories about Gorka's apparently links to Nazi-aligned groups are "guilt by association."

"No one has shown that Seb has said anything pro-fascist that I know from knowing him that he would never say," Reaboi said, adding later, "What lies at the bottom of all this is the question that, can you be a Hungarian patriot at all without being called a Nazi, being called a nationalist?"
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Vox said:
Only........he's not a member.

Gosh......you folks are amazing.

Is the White House overrun with Nazis or Russian Spies??? Or both? (They don't get along, you know.)

Here an article that's a little more realistic and balanced.

Sebastian Gorka pushes back on Nazi allegations as colleagues deny he's anti-Semitic - Business Insider
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Yes he was. See post number 12, which contains a copy of his actual PhD dissertation, on the web site of the university he obtained it from, which he signed, including in his name the letters L. v., which are the initials of that organization, and which is used by members of that organization to show their membership. All the lying in the entire world isn't going to change that. Gorka is a liar.
 
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danarhea said:
From Wikipedia, which anybody can edit.

Are you now going to claim that the Times of Israel puts out fake news too? They did say in their article that Gorka signed his PhD dissertation with L. v., which was the letters for membership in that Nazi organization.

Just in case you answer yes to that question, I am miles ahead of you. Here is an actual copy of Gorka's PhD dissertation, on file with the university itself, and L. v. is in the signature. Smoking gun. He was a member. He didn't wear that medal for nothing. His story about it is a big fat lie.

http://phd.lib.uni-corvinus.hu/314/2/gorka_sebestyen_ten.pdf
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just like i had said to coldjoint ,"you are going to be asked for a link"

your pdf needs to be more specific and point to what you are claiming
 
Master PO said:
just like i had said to coldjoint ,"you are going to be asked for a link"

your pdf needs to be more specific and point to what you are claiming
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Do you not have eyes? The pdf is hosted on the web site of the university Gorka obtained his PhD from, and the document is an actual copy of his dissertation. Note the L. v. in Gorka's name. Those are the letters of the Nazi organization which members add to their own name to claim membership in. The letters are also in his signature.
 
danarhea said:
Yes he was. See post number 12, which contains a copy of his actual PhD dissertation, on the web site of the university he obtained it from, which he signed, including in his name the letters L. v., which are the initials of that organization, and which is used by members of that organiztion to show their membership. All the lying in the entire world isn't going to change that. Gorka is a liar.
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No, the article explained that he has used those initials to honor his father, who was a leader in Hungary's fight against both Communism and Nazism.

He's never been a member of that organization. It is not a Nazi organization anyway.......it was briefly associated with Nazis years ago but has been in existence for centuries.

Sorry, but you just seem to be barking up the wrong tree here.
 
danarhea said:
Do you not have eyes? The pdf is hosted on the web site of the university Gorka obtained his PhD from, and the document is an actual copy of his dissertation. Note the L. v. in Gorka's name. Those are the letters of the Nazi organization which members add to their own name to claim membership in. The letters are also in his signature.
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my friend i have dealt with his before, if you have point to make then make it direct and point to a page and paragraph, it should be so easy, since you are putting his PDF as proof.
 
Vox said:
No, the article explained that he has used those initials to honor his father, who was a leader in Hungary's fight against both Communism and Nazism.

He's never been a member of that organization. It is not a Nazi organization anyway.......it was briefly associated with Nazis years ago but has been in existence for centuries.

Sorry, but you just seem to be barking up the wrong tree here.
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El wrongo. Vitézi Rend was founded in 1920 by Miklós Horthy, who served as regent of Hungary until 1944. Horthy was an ally of Adolf Hitler and collaborated with the Nazis throughout most of World War II. During the war, confiscated Jewish property was distributed to members of the order by the Hungarian government.
 
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