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Is Ryancare better than Obamacare?

Is Ryancare better than Obamacare?

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countryboy said:
Is this really the principled position to take? Why would there need to be a "3-step process"? Why not simply put forth the same repeal bill they put through a million times when they knew it would be vetoed by Obama? This bill is crap, and the GOP establishment is not a conservative party. This is now evident beyond the shadow of a doubt.

This bill is certainly not anywhere near "repeal and replace", as promised.
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Because of the nature of Obamacare, the nature of the House and Senate at this time and rules in both houses, a simple repeal would be just as damaging to the people as just letting Obamacare spiral to it's death. Not a good thing. The only way to effectively end Obamacare is through this 3-step process.

I must ask you, though, do you actually KNOW what this 3-step process is? If not, this video will explain it:

 
Mycroft said:
Because of the nature of Obamacare, the nature of the House and Senate at this time and rules in both houses, a simple repeal would be just as damaging to the people as just letting Obamacare spiral to it's death. Not a good thing. The only way to effectively end Obamacare is through this 3-step process.
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If they can't do all of their steps right now, why would they ever be able to do the others?
 
Greenbeard said:
If they can't do all of their steps right now, why would they ever be able to do the others?
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I don't think you really know what this 3-step process is all about...or you wouldn't ask that question.
 
Mycroft said:
I don't think you really know what this 3-step process is all about...or you wouldn't ask that question.
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It's about pretending they'll someday pass legislation they can't pass now. Spoiler alert: those later phases aren't going to happen.
 
Even the GOP doesn't believe this garbage. Here's Senator Tom Cotton:

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CriticalThought said:
This is false on both counts. Ryan had more involvement in writing this bill than Obama had in ACA. Check your facts. This is Ryancare.



It will pass the House and Senate. I am fairly certain the red meat conservatives will not pass on the chance to permanently defund Planned Parenthood.
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Rand Paul won't vote for it.
 
American said:
Rand Paul won't vote for it.
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trump/Bannon republicans have at least a 3-way civil war right now.

Especially with Breitbart/Bannon releasing the Ryan tape from October last night .
 
Greenbeard said:
It's about pretending they'll someday pass legislation they can't pass now. Spoiler alert: those later phases aren't going to happen.
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I can't stress this enough. The later phases of Ryan/trumpcare come AFTER the 2018 and 2020 elections, trying to protect the GOP remaps in 2021. There's a reason McConnell named his book 'The Long Game' .
 
Greenbeard said:
Even the GOP doesn't believe this garbage. Here's Senator Tom Cotton:

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So...Cotton doesn't want to give the step-2 control to the Trump administration. And Cotton doesn't seem to realize that step-3 will be a lot easier if Republicans have greater control of the Senate after 2018. His objections are all about GOP establishment control and not trying to gain a greater majority of the Senate.

Sounds like he's not the right guy for the job...or the right guy to be listening to. (unless you favor the left or the GOP Elites)
 
Greenbeard said:
It's about pretending they'll someday pass legislation they can't pass now. Spoiler alert: those later phases aren't going to happen.
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You would certainly hope so, I'm sure. Doesn't mean it won't happen, though. After all, the Democrats thought they'd take control of the Senate and the Presidency this last election. They were wrong.
 
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