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Hawkeye10 said:
The media should stop playing dumb about Trump


That is my answer.
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Interesting take. The problem is that while the press could try to translate Trump by doing what the author did - look for things to add, subtract or change about Trump's actual statements that would cause those statements to make more sense, if they did that, they would be doing what people like Conway are paid to do. Provide "alt-facts". The problem is, no one but Trump knows (if he even does) what he actually meant, and on top of that foreign leaders are listening to and reacting to Trump's exact words.

Trump could of course fix this by correcting himself, talking more slowly, or unlearn a lifetime of B.S. sales training, where you say anything to get the check handed over.
 
Geoist said:
Most of the MSM has accepted the results of the election, even if begrudgingly.

If Trump cares so much about truth in media then why does he seem to be close pals with Alex Jones?
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What Trump wants or does not want has or at least should have no baring on the question, and the so called journalists failed this nation nearly completely long before Trump came along.

Their failure to do right by America is one of the reasons Trump is here in fact, trying to bring down our President even before he took the chair.... this attempt to nullify the will of the people.... is more of the same.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
They made themselves enemy of the people ot refusing to do their jobs and by refusing to honor the results of an election.

If they dont like getting called out they always have the option of at least trying to DO THE RIGHT THING.

TRUMP IS RIGHT!
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No. I disagree. Trump is wrong. He's fine with B.S. outlets like Breitbart who fawn over him. If fawning over Trump is required to be 'doing the right thing', then much of the country is wrong. BTW, I consider most of the outlets that he picked out to be garbage, but so is Breitbart. So is Fox when it comes to politics. What Trump did was pure Nixon.
 
Porkuloss said:
Interesting take. The problem is that while the press could try to translate Trump by doing what the author did - look for things to add, subtract or change about Trump's actual statements that would cause those statements to make more sense, if they did that, they would be doing what people like Conway are paid to do. Provide "alt-facts". The problem is, no one but Trump knows (if he even does) what he actually meant, and on top of that foreign leaders are listening to and reacting to Trump's exact words.

Trump could of course fix this by correcting himself, talking more slowly, or unlearn a lifetime of B.S. sales training, where you say anything to get the check handed over.
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No, most foreign leaders are not that dumb.
 
Porkuloss said:
No. I disagree. Trump is wrong. He's fine with B.S. outlets like Breitbart who fawn over him. If fawning over Trump is required to be 'doing the right thing', then much of the country is wrong. BTW, I consider most of the outlets that he picked out to be garbage, but so is Breitbart. So is Fox when it comes to politics. What Trump did was pure Nixon.
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The journalists have failed nearly completely in total.

THAT'S THE POINT
 
MaggieD said:
I don't CARE what Trump said about Obama. In fact, how many credible newspapers REPORTED he was ineligible to be president? That's what we're talking about here. What NEWSPAPERS report. You should have quit while you were ahead.

I care what the PRESS says to me. Their hyperbolic headlines, perjorative in nature are poisoning the well. Their nonstories that look at everything through "the ugly lens" influence people. We here are the exception. Most of us anyway don't fall for that ****. But the rest of society? Sorry to say far too many of them do.
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The whole reason to have news media is to report things like a reality TV star promoting a conspiracy theory against the current president. No major newspapers gave the theory credence, it was promulgated through fringe groups like WND and talk radio. It would have remained fringe had Trump not lent "star power" to make the whole thing widely recognised. Would you prefer the media censor anything Trump says or does that may be a lie?
 
Hawkeye10 said:
Real journalists trade in facts, making your argument idiotic.
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It was a fact Trump said the election was rigged. Should that not be covered. Would you have the media refuse to cover Trump any time they think he's lying?
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
And by what universal standards do we measure how journalists fail?
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The standards of journalism silly, this aint rocket science.

If you dont know what journalism is then go educate yourself.
 
spud_meister said:
It was a fact Trump said the election was rigged. Should that not be covered. Would you have the media refuse to cover Trump any time they think he's lying?
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As Gorby alludes to attempting to gather information honestly and then reporting back to the people that information honestly is the bare minimum of the requirement of journalists....talking/not talking is not the point to anyone but the apologists of the failed 4th Estate....used as a diversion.

"TRUMP IS HITLER!" they scream, hoping to get our minds off of how badly the so-called journalists suck.


The media should stop playing dumb about Trump
 
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I selected Funny for this, as I've considered just about any report, document, research, and other piece of information presented to me in a skeptical light since I took psychology and advertising classes in High School. Information delivery is tainted with Bias in almost any format, and because of that, I've considered most News 'Fake' for a long time.

I've always just figured that most educated folks felt the same. (like many here on DP.) Seeing a bunch of people start to wave around the aspersion as if it was somehow remarkable or new is amusing to me.
 
CriticalThought said:
Yeah, but it swung both ways. The polarization reflected what was happening in the country. It also doesn't delegitimize the media, it just means people have to practice more prudence in discerning what is not said or how it is presented. But most of what is reported is still grounded in facts.
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It is totally legitimate for the media to report trash. But it is not so, if they report willfully distorted stories as true. It is legal and must stay so. But it is harming society. Alone the fact that you can no longer assume that a thus far serious paper is attempting to portray facts.
 
Here's an offshoot problem. You now have some people who, every time they hear the words "fake news" figure it's being said by some Trump hack and ignore it. So, we have some people shouting "fake news" because they love Trump and some people saying "shut up" to those who say "fake news" because they hate Trump, and you have very few who are actually looking at it, objectively... since neither of those groups are. As for me, I'm ignoring both groups as I figure neither have a clue, and thus far, both have proven me correct.
 
joG said:
That is quite right. The msm seem to have begun to come to terms with the results of yhe election. What has not happened is a reversion to separating opinon and information.
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That is one of many reasons why I have not trusted MSM sources. But to refer to it as "fake news," especially while touting or intentionally overlooking sources that regularly put up truly fake stories (e.g. InfoWars, WND), is disingenuous, at best.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
What Trump wants or does not want has or at least should have no baring on the question, and the so called journalists failed this nation nearly completely long before Trump came along.
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I have as much of a problem with a journalist who refuses to retract a false statement as I do a president who does the same. But, clearly, you do not believe a president should not be held to this standard since he is on your side, politically.



this attempt to nullify the will of the people.... is more of the same.
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While he won the electoral votes to win the presidency, he did not get the popular vote, so no, it was not by the "will of the people" that he won.
 
Geoist said:
That is one of many reasons why I have not trusted MSM sources. But to refer to it as "fake news," especially while touting or intentionally overlooking sources that regularly put up truly fake stories (e.g. InfoWars, WND), is disingenuous, at best.
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True. There are some platforms that are really bad. But I am more concerned about the media that are leaders and were dependable. If their reporting no longer can be relied on to have been vetted and bias removed as best it could from news, then the information system on which any democratic system relies to function is in trouble and cannot really work. Admittedly, the problem is greater in Europe. At least English speakers have a wide variety of media available outside the national ideology or paradigm clouds. But it is sometimes no longer easy to discern correct from untrue even here.
 
joG said:
True. There are some platforms that are really bad. But I am more concerned about the media that are leaders and were dependable. If their reporting no longer can be relied on to have been vetted and bias removed as best it could from news, then the information system on which any democratic system relies to function is in trouble and cannot really work. Admittedly, the problem is greater in Europe. At least English speakers have a wide variety of media available outside the national ideology or paradigm clouds. But it is sometimes no longer easy to discern correct from untrue even here.
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Agreed, although I think much of western Europe has better media than the U.S. I think a lot of the message gets lost, though, when we have a president who regularly engages in false statements and refuses to apologize for them.
 
Geoist said:
Agreed, although I think much of western Europe has better media than the U.S. I think a lot of the message gets lost, though, when we have a president who regularly engages in false statements and refuses to apologize for them.
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I cannot really judge many countries in Europe. But it is certain that in Germany, Austria and more than one would expect France the media are very homogenised in a good number of topics by political elites. Thus has been going on for long enough to have done considerable damage by cultivating beliefs in the populations that are well removed from realities. This has done major damage in a number of situations.
I have been told and/or suspect that it is also true of most othe European countries, but cannot judge it personally. What is also an interesting of continental journalism is that there is no real effort made to separate news from opinion, the theory being that all reporting is subjective and trying to escape this would be absurd.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
The journalists have failed nearly completely in total.

THAT'S THE POINT
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I don't disagree with that, or with the idea that Trump may in some ways be a symptom of that problem. I think, if I actually understand what the writer of that Week piece thinks the solution is, that I don't agree with him, at least not in total. Example, if you have to take a Trump statement and, in reporting it, note that something about Sweden was discussed on a Fox News opinion show the previous night and that in that light what Trump said is logical (though there are then fallacies in Carlson's show to deal with), well that's just nuts. That's the place of bloggers and other apologists.
 
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