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Chaotic Town halls, Where is the party leadership?

ModerateGOP said:
I'm concerned about what the party leadership is doing with the chaotic townhalls. Instead of complaining about the non-proven paid protesters. They should have a better control over this situation. Does Trump, Bannon, Priebus care at all? This is happening at Republican Townhalls so ultimately the buck rests with them, and they are the ones who have to address it. Showing up at conventions in DC is not the answer.

For the record I think that there is a few paid protesters going to these things, with a mixture of very savvy organizers on both the left and the right as well as disgruntled alt-right people who would not compromise with any of their high ideals, even if a gun was put to their head and a newly energized liberal base as well.

What are your thoughts on solutions to this problem? Politicians ultimately have to deal with all of the people in their district not just Republicans and Democrats. So if Democrats want to go to Republican Townhalls, politicians will have to deal with them, no matter the reason for them being there.
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I dont think most of them are paid, but it wouldnt surprise me if some were as this tactic has been used before. Regardless, most of these protestors dont appear to be there to listen or be heard. They just want to disrupt. And that doesnt encourage reps to use that format. Look at Chafetz attempt. Its mostly yelling, waving signs, and booing.

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jet57 said:
Ya'know, the very same thing was goin on with town hall meetings over Obamacare: right-wingers were showin up and packin meetings so sympathetic and interested people couldn't get in. It happened in my town, I couldn't get in one and the tea partiers had their signs showin Obama with a Hitler mustache and they were generally disrupting the meetings and shutting them down. So - please; alright?

The funny thing that YOU should be concerned about rather then listening to Sean Hannity's fake news. (ya' like that? Sean Hannity - fake news) - (cough) - is that a lot of those people pitchin fits at these town hall meetings are Republicans and conservatives!

Yeah, the movement against Trump and the right is getting bigger and bigger by the day, and soon it's gonna be a runaway freight train.

The country's gettin goin now.
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So take the high road and dont be like the tea party.
 
jet57 said:
That's a little cryptic; what'er you talking about?
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The very same thing was goin on with town hall meetings over Obamacare: right-wingers were showin up and packin meetings so sympathetic and interested people couldn't get in. It happened in my town, I couldn't get in one and the tea partiers had their signs showin Obama with a Hitler mustache and they were generally disrupting the meetings and shutting them down. So - please; alright?
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I dont mean you specifically but this general idea that because Tea Party may have done it, it justifies liberals doing it. Someone has to break the cycle of incivility.
 
i prescribe the way of isolation for democrats, let them sweat and become even more angry.

trump just needs to keep the promises he made, and move his agenda doing that forward.

job growth, good economy, optimism, deducing regulation, devolving government down and he will have a second term.

republicans that seek to get in the way of those goals, should be called out and a replacement for them next election
 
reinoe said:
Another person who thinks it's the White House responsibility to handle local politician town halls. This has nothing to do with Trump.
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Actually it does. Trump's management style is everyone for themselves and the best idea wins (if bannon isn't around). That's not a management style. That's chaos! It ultimately trickles down. Since the party doesn't have an agenda, besides for stupid slogans and impossible dream policies, local politicians do not know how to answer questions that are about repealing Obamacare or building the wall. How can they if Trump doesn't know himself? In normal administrations the President would set the agenda, tell the RNC and then the RNC will get the word out and make sure everyone is on the same page.
 
ModerateGOP said:
Actually it does. Trump's management style is everyone for themselves and the best idea wins (if bannon isn't around). That's not a management style. That's chaos! It ultimately trickles down. Since the party doesn't have an agenda, besides for stupid slogans and impossible dream policies, local politicians do not know how to answer questions that are about repealing Obamacare or building the wall. How can they if Trump doesn't know himself? In normal administrations the President would set the agenda, tell the RNC and then the RNC will get the word out and make sure everyone is on the same page.
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Yeah I almost forgot that one month into his administration Obama had laid out the details of ACA. Reid and Pelosi just signed off on what he asked for.
 
washunut said:
Yeah I almost forgot that one month into his administration Obama had laid out the details of ACA. Reid and Pelosi just signed off on what he asked for.
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The difference was, the democratic party had a robust platform. We don't. Trump has campaign slogans but none of his people can even prove that these things are needed or that they will work, and when they try they blatantly make stuff up.
 
ModerateGOP said:
The difference was, the democratic party had a robust platform. We don't. Trump has campaign slogans but none of his people can even prove that these things are needed or that they will work, and when they try they blatantly make stuff up.
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You dont think its been proven we need physical barriers on our borders and it will work? That the ACA is a problem, and replacing it with how we did it for decades before will work? That the tax system is a mess, and simplifying it will work? These seem obvious to me.
 
jonny5 said:
You dont think its been proven we need physical barriers on our borders and it will work? That the ACA is a problem, and replacing it with how we did it for decades before will work? That the tax system is a mess, and simplifying it will work? These seem obvious to me.
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People are sick of that tired ol' GOP rhetoric. No one's happy with business as usual. Simply going back to the pre-Obamacare days is not an option for people that understand that our healthcare system was broken before ACA. People who understand immigration know that "building a wall" is only going to be a waste of money. People don't want more GOP "solutions" to the tax code that only shift more of the burden on to the Middle Class. The people who voted for Trump did not do so only to hear the stale and impotent answers that the GOP has been doling out for decades.

You need to wake up, jonny.
 
ModerateGOP said:
The difference was, the democratic party had a robust platform. We don't. Trump has campaign slogans but none of his people can even prove that these things are needed or that they will work, and when they try they blatantly make stuff up.
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It took democrats about 18 months after Obama was elected to pass ACA. Even then it was hurriedly put together. Not sure even democrats knew what was in the 2,300 pages they voted for.

It is surprising that folks think that you can simply put in place a law that will impact such a large segment of the economy. Not to mention the large group of special interests that will have a say. Sure we can all say that they should not have a voice. I agree with some of that but also know we will in the real world.

My sense is you are a Trump hater, which is your right. To be candid I would have liked to have seen a more more moderate in office. That being said I do think some of his ideas about fair trade as an example are directionally correct.

It seems unfair the standard we are putting on someone who is a novice in politics, just got Tom Price confirmed and still has a good number of his cabinet waiting to be approved. Why do so many want America to fail?
 
ModerateGOP said:
The difference was, the democratic party had a robust platform. We don't. Trump has campaign slogans but none of his people can even prove that these things are needed or that they will work, and when they try they blatantly make stuff up.
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I think it's still sustainable for a little while. Regular republican politicians have been winning elections all over the country at the state level for a while now. The Trump wing may be chaotic, but I'm not confident the confusion will seriously damage people down the line. Democrats have a platform, but they still haven't learned how to simplify their messaging.
 
ModerateGOP said:
Actually it does. Trump's management style is everyone for themselves and the best idea wins (if bannon isn't around). That's not a management style. That's chaos! It ultimately trickles down. Since the party doesn't have an agenda, besides for stupid slogans and impossible dream policies, local politicians do not know how to answer questions that are about repealing Obamacare or building the wall. How can they if Trump doesn't know himself? In normal administrations the President would set the agenda, tell the RNC and then the RNC will get the word out and make sure everyone is on the same page.
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Trump has made his agenda very clear to repeal and replace the affordable care act. it's something that the GOP has promoted for nearly 6 years. Donald Trump didn't just come along out of nowhere and start demanding that the affordable care act be repealed. it's something that the GOP establishment has been promoting for six years. it's their responsibility to have their own talking points since it's something they've been pushing once for six years.

You should be glad that Donald Trump is holding their feet to the fire and forcing him to do what they say they would do. Don if anything Donald Trump has always tried to do what he said he would do. It's not Donald Trump's fault that the GOP establishment has been nothing but blaster all this time and then they don't actually have a plan after all.
 
Cheer up! Those cheap insurances that used to turn out not to provide basic cover when you fall sick are legal again! Thanks Trump!

They haven't figured out yet that people might come to complain about losing their health cover without needing to be paid to do it.
 
jonny5 said:
You dont think its been proven we need physical barriers on our borders and it will work? That the ACA is a problem, and replacing it with how we did it for decades before will work? That the tax system is a mess, and simplifying it will work? These seem obvious to me.
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We have physical barriers on our border now and it doesn't work. What makes you think more will?
Obamacare was a mess, but we don't have any ideas what to replace it with, the closest thing Trump's got is, "Health care for everybody," That sounds an awful lot like a single payer system huh?
Threatening other countries to pay us for exclusivity isn't simplifying the tax code and until he actually makes actual headway on this, it's still an entirely questionable stance that is able to be way too muddied after the fact. "Oh yeah, I always meant to do that."
 
ModerateGOP said:
I'm concerned about what the party leadership is doing with the chaotic townhalls. Instead of complaining about the non-proven paid protesters. They should have a better control over this situation. Does Trump, Bannon, Priebus care at all? This is happening at Republican Townhalls so ultimately the buck rests with them, and they are the ones who have to address it. Showing up at conventions in DC is not the answer.

For the record I think that there is a few paid protesters going to these things, with a mixture of very savvy organizers on both the left and the right as well as disgruntled alt-right people who would not compromise with any of their high ideals, even if a gun was put to their head and a newly energized liberal base as well.

What are your thoughts on solutions to this problem? Politicians ultimately have to deal with all of the people in their district not just Republicans and Democrats. So if Democrats want to go to Republican Townhalls, politicians will have to deal with them, no matter the reason for them being there.
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If it were my town hall I would wait for the protesters to tire and shut up. If they kept it up for more than 15 minutes, I would cancel the town hall. Eventually the people who want to hear the politicians will solve the problem themselves. I can't imagine what you would expect the political parties to do.
 
I don't like townhalls when they get roudy. Democrats are looking pathetic.

But Republicans should avoid being holier than thou right now. It wasn't long ago that they wanted the masses to come to town halls with pitchforks.

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Fiddytree said:
I don't like townhalls when they get roudy. Democrats are looking pathetic.

But Republicans should avoid being holier than thou right now. It wasn't long ago that they wanted the masses to come to town halls with pitchforks.

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And banned Trump from CPAC.
 
fmw said:
If it were my town hall I would wait for the protesters to tire and shut up. If they kept it up for more than 15 minutes, I would cancel the town hall. Eventually the people who want to hear the politicians will solve the problem themselves. I can't imagine what you would expect the political parties to do.
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As I said before, it comes from the top. The chaos is coming from the White House. How can your politician answer your questions when he isn't in the loop?
 
ModerateGOP said:
I'm concerned about what the party leadership is doing with the chaotic townhalls. Instead of complaining about the non-proven paid protesters. They should have a better control over this situation. Does Trump, Bannon, Priebus care at all? This is happening at Republican Townhalls so ultimately the buck rests with them, and they are the ones who have to address it. Showing up at conventions in DC is not the answer.

For the record I think that there is a few paid protesters going to these things, with a mixture of very savvy organizers on both the left and the right as well as disgruntled alt-right people who would not compromise with any of their high ideals, even if a gun was put to their head and a newly energized liberal base as well.

What are your thoughts on solutions to this problem? Politicians ultimately have to deal with all of the people in their district not just Republicans and Democrats. So if Democrats want to go to Republican Townhalls, politicians will have to deal with them, no matter the reason for them being there.
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You make is sound as though the only ones who show up to these town halls are the ones that fall into the categories you list. Gee, what about the regular folk that don't meet that criteria of yours? What percentage do you think there are of them in the crowd?
 
ModerateGOP said:
I'm concerned about what the party leadership is doing with the chaotic townhalls. Instead of complaining about the non-proven paid protesters. They should have a better control over this situation. Does Trump, Bannon, Priebus care at all? This is happening at Republican Townhalls so ultimately the buck rests with them, and they are the ones who have to address it. Showing up at conventions in DC is not the answer.

For the record I think that there is a few paid protesters going to these things, with a mixture of very savvy organizers on both the left and the right as well as disgruntled alt-right people who would not compromise with any of their high ideals, even if a gun was put to their head and a newly energized liberal base as well.

What are your thoughts on solutions to this problem? Politicians ultimately have to deal with all of the people in their district not just Republicans and Democrats. So if Democrats want to go to Republican Townhalls, politicians will have to deal with them, no matter the reason for them being there.
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regardless of who is holding the townhall, republican, democrat, or independent, if you are an elected official, you are supposed to represent ALL of the constituents in your state/district....not just the ones who voted for you...man up, take the heat, and face your constituents...i've no respect at all for those ducking out on those they are supposed to represent...
 
bluesmoke said:
You make is sound as though the only ones who show up to these town halls are the ones that fall into the categories you list. Gee, what about the regular folk that don't meet that criteria of yours? What percentage do you think there are of them in the crowd?
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What do you mean by regular folk? I thought that was trump's base ;) Are you telling me they are upset with him?
 
bluesmoke said:
You make is sound as though the only ones who show up to these town halls are the ones that fall into the categories you list. Gee, what about the regular folk that don't meet that criteria of yours? What percentage do you think there are of them in the crowd?
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The only townhall meetings I've attended were just that--not Republican or Democrat, just townhall meetings during which we had the opportunity to listen to and ask questions of our elected rep.

The last one I attended really pissed me off--me and everybody else irrespective of lean. All it takes is a couple of loud disrupters to ruin it for everybody. Jerks.
 
ModerateGOP said:
What do you mean by regular folk? I thought that was trump's base ;) Are you telling me they are upset with him?[/QUOTE


You are avoiding the question. Let me put it this way: Other than those you named. Your turn.
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nota bene said:
The only townhall meetings I've attended were just that--not Republican or Democrat, just townhall meetings during which we had the opportunity to listen to and ask questions of our elected rep.

The last one I attended really pissed me off--me and everybody else irrespective of lean. All it takes is a couple of loud disrupters to ruin it for everybody. Jerks.
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I've been to so many, I can't remember. Stopped many years ago. I remember one where this poor fool was holding a piece, I mean a piece, of paper in his hand. Looking at it so as to memorize and suddenly stood up and yelled out the words. I personally knew the mover/shaker that wrote those words and watched him hand that piece of paper to that poor fool. An individual or so can hijack the emotion of a crowd for long enough that the powers that be take that as "the people's" voice. It works. Still, let not anyone try and steer these town hall crowds in favor of themselves. Let them go where they may go. Do not step in front of the parade, but whom might come out of that parade.
 
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