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I'm Curious; exactly what does Trump have to do, before it's too far for you?

He said he would release them after his audit was completed. He's now the POTUS. It becomes relevant in 2020. He may not release them even at that time, and then voters will have to decide how important that information is.

the audit is done, so lets try this again. does it matter to you that he said he would release them?
 
oh geez Vance, I cant even laugh at you because what you've posted is just too pathetic. President Obama put his BC on his campaign website. An anonymous blogger said it was a forgery. And that's when 60-70% of conservatives believed President Obama was born in Kenya. Its just such an easy thing to find out. And of course you didn't even bother. And vance, that's when you and yours started obediently chanting "forgery". How how how do you not remember that? I can answer that. Because you don't want to remember. You only make yourself look more foolish continuing to post things because you really really really wish they were true.

June 13, 2008: After many inquiries from reporters, the Obama campaign launches a website called Fight the Smears to address rumors about the candidate. It posts a copy of the Certification of Live Birth, a computer-generated document that says he was born in Honolulu on Aug. 4, 1961.

The Obama birth certificate: a timeline | PolitiFact

there is simply no string of words you can post to change the facts. The only thing you're proving is you lack the integrity to admit you're wrong.
I dont know if you just dont know or intentionally being dishonest.

Do you realize there is a difference between a 'Birth Certificate' and a 'Certificate of Live Birth'? Do you realize the 'Certificate of Live Birth' is not acceptable by Homeland Security for so much as a drivers license, let alone a passport?
 
the audit is done, so lets try this again. does it matter to you that he said he would release them?

Curious how you know the audit is done.

I hope he DOESNT release his taxes. So, no, it doesn't matter to me that he said he would. He changed his mind, I suppose. I'm glad he did.
 
I dont know if you just dont know or intentionally being dishonest.

Do you realize there is a difference between a 'Birth Certificate' and a 'Certificate of Live Birth'? Do you realize the 'Certificate of Live Birth' is not acceptable by Homeland Security for so much as a drivers license, let alone a passport?

Vance, I have a question. Since Obama's mom was a citizen, isn't he a citizen no matter where he was born? I've never understood this.
 
I know my limits were surpassed long ago ... but I was just wondering exactly what would Trump have to say or do, before a True Trump Supporter says that's enough?

Things you have to be ok with … to be a loyal Trump Supporter

  • You have to ok with Trump’s 8 plus years of lies about the Citizenship of America’s First Black President, like him or not, they were lies.
  • You have to be ok with Trump calling Mexicans Rapist and Murders, I'm not for Illegal Immigration, but I do have Mexican Family members and friends.
  • You have to be ok with Trump “quote”; “when you’re a star they’ll let you do it, Grab then by the P***Y”; I've yet to discover a Women who is ok with that!
  • You have to be ok with; “What else do you have to lose”? Who the hell is he talking about?


There’s a lot of issues that Donald Trump has, and none of them have to do with being President.

Is any of that impeachment material?
 
Vance, I have a question. Since Obama's mom was a citizen, isn't he a citizen no matter where he was born? I've never understood this.
First..I'm NOT A BIRTHER. I have never questioned where he was born. A question was asked about Trumps birther stanceand I simply said "all he had to do is produce his Birth Certificate and this was over before it started. Ole Vern is splitting his wig trying to make some weird claim that he DID present his Birth Certificate only to offer as evidence...NOT his Birth Certificate.

Meh. Whatever.

As to the relevance...it depends on the interpretation of Natural Born Citizen and where citizenship is established at the time of birth. If the father is Kenyan and Muslim and they are living in Kenya (not just visiting) an argument could certainly be made that he is Kenyan, even with his mother being a US citizen. However conversely, the argument could be made that his US citizenship was assured through his mother.

I dont think I have ever taken an actual position on any of this because it didnt matter. I HAVE said that Obama himself has contributed to the confusion by his own bio which defined him as a Kenyan. I suspected he used his foreign 'status' to his best example when it was convenient.
 
First..I'm NOT A BIRTHER. I have never questioned where he was born. A question was asked about Trumps birther stanceand I simply said "all he had to do is produce his Birth Certificate and this was over before it started. Ole Vern is splitting his wig trying to make some weird claim that he DID present his Birth Certificate only to offer as evidence...NOT his Birth Certificate.

Meh. Whatever.

As to the relevance...it depends on the interpretation of Natural Born Citizen and where citizenship is established at the time of birth. If the father is Kenyan and Muslim and they are living in Kenya (not just visiting) an argument could certainly be made that he is Kenyan, even with his mother being a US citizen. However conversely, the argument could be made that his US citizenship was assured through his mother.

I dont think I have ever taken an actual position on any of this because it didnt matter. I HAVE said that Obama himself has contributed to the confusion by his own bio which defined him as a Kenyan. I suspected he used his foreign 'status' to his best example when it was convenient.

Don't misunderstand my post. I have never understood the controversy since his mom was a citizen... *shrug*
 
Don't misunderstand my post. I have never understood the controversy since his mom was a citizen... *shrug*
Some people were intent on their being a controversy. Frankly...I think Obama was one of those people.
 
Some people were intent on their being a controversy. Frankly...I think Obama was one of those people.

Interesting perspective. Diversion, perhaps. Swear to God. I don't trust my lyin' eyes these days. :)
 
Don't misunderstand my post. I have never understood the controversy since his mom was a citizen... *shrug*

""the children of citizens of the United States, that may be born beyond sea, or out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born citizens"

If only the mom was a citizen, you were not the children of citizens (plural)

semantically, I think it boils down to that?

hell if I know though.
 
I know my limits were surpassed long ago ... but I was just wondering exactly what would Trump have to say or do, before a True Trump Supporter says that's enough?

Things you have to be ok with … to be a loyal Trump Supporter

  • You have to ok with Trump’s 8 plus years of lies about the Citizenship of America’s First Black President, like him or not, they were lies.
  • You have to be ok with Trump calling Mexicans Rapist and Murders, I'm not for Illegal Immigration, but I do have Mexican Family members and friends.
  • You have to be ok with Trump “quote”; “when you’re a star they’ll let you do it, Grab then by the P***Y”; I've yet to discover a Women who is ok with that!
  • You have to be ok with; “What else do you have to lose”? Who the hell is he talking about?


There’s a lot of issues that Donald Trump has, and none of them have to do with being President.

Try not starting with an OP that's nothing but a bunch of trumped up (heh) lies, exaggerations, and misrepresentations in and of itself, first off.

1. Like it or not, there is A LOT to criticize about the Obama Administration, and it's running of the country. No, I'm not saying that because he was black. I'm saying it because the man was legitimately a mediocre Presisent, who clearly favored his own Leftist ideology and the interests of small minority special interest groups over the well-being of the country as a whole. That's precisely why Trump crushed his successor in the election last year.

2. Trump didn't say that ALL Mexicans were rapists and murders. He said that an unacceptably large number of illegals were, and that this was a problem. He was absolutely right in saying that.

3. I'll apologize for Trump's locker room talk when you apologize for the behavior of Bill Clinton and his corrupt, lying, monster of a "wife."

4. No idea what you're talking about here.

In any case - to answer your question - What will it take for me to oppose Trump?

I dunno... Him actually doing something wrong, maybe? Just an idea.

So far, he has not. :shrug:
 
""the children of citizens of the United States, that may be born beyond sea, or out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born citizens"

If only the mom was a citizen, you were not the children of citizens (plural)

semantically, I think it boils down to that?

hell if I know though.
The initial standard was established through the paternal lineage. that was changed in the 1930's I believe to 'either/or'.
 
Try not starting with an OP that's nothing but a bunch of trumped up (heh) lies, exaggerations, and misrepresentations in and of itself, first off.

1. Like it or not, there is A LOT to criticize about the Obama Administration, and it's running of the country. No, I'm not saying that because he was black. I'm saying it because the man was legitimately a mediocre Presisent, who clearly favored his own Leftist ideology and the interests of small minority special interest groups over the well-being of the country as a whole. That's precisely why Trump crushed his successor in the election last year.

2. Trump didn't say that ALL Mexicans were rapists and murders. He said that an unacceptably large number of illegals were, and that this was a problem. He was absolutely right in saying that.

3. I'll apologize for Trump's locker room talk when you apologize for the behavior of Bill Clinton and his corrupt, lying, monster of a "wife."

4. No idea what you're talking about here.

In any case - to answer your question - What will it take for me to oppose Trump?

I dunno... Him actually doing something wrong, maybe? Just an idea.

So far, he has not. :shrug:

SORRY, my Thread ... my Opinion.
 
I dont know if you just dont know or intentionally being dishonest.

Do you realize there is a difference between a 'Birth Certificate' and a 'Certificate of Live Birth'? Do you realize the 'Certificate of Live Birth' is not acceptable by Homeland Security for so much as a drivers license, let alone a passport?

oh vance. you're so desperately trying to convince yourself that you didn't make a fool of yourself 9 years ago you'll post any string of words if it sounds good. Telling you the facts doesn't make me dishonest. Your brain is just convincing you I must be dishonest so you can cling to your narrative. Now vance, back up the part where his BC was "edited" and how he couldn't use it for a passport. I know its not true but I need you to know it. Now this will help you with the lingo and reality.

Although original birth certificates (Certificates of Live Birth) are preferred for their greater detail, the State Department of Health (DOH) no longer issues Certificates of Live Birth. When a request is made for a copy of a birth certificate, the DOH issues a Certification of Live Birth."


Obama's birth certificate: Final chapter. This time we mean it! | PolitiFact

You should read both of the links I posted. It will help you in your vision quest to the truth. And by the way, exactly how much money did you send to WorldNetDaily?
 
I know my limits were surpassed long ago ... but I was just wondering exactly what would Trump have to say or do, before a True Trump Supporter says that's enough?

Things you have to be ok with … to be a loyal Trump Supporter

  • You have to ok with Trump’s 8 plus years of lies about the Citizenship of America’s First Black President, like him or not, they were lies.
  • You have to be ok with Trump calling Mexicans Rapist and Murders, I'm not for Illegal Immigration, but I do have Mexican Family members and friends.
  • You have to be ok with Trump “quote”; “when you’re a star they’ll let you do it, Grab then by the P***Y”; I've yet to discover a Women who is ok with that!
  • You have to be ok with; “What else do you have to lose”? Who the hell is he talking about?


There’s a lot of issues that Donald Trump has, and none of them have to do with being President.

So what you are saying is that someone who supported Obama was OK with everything he did and said?

One example, If you like your doctor you can keep your doctor. Obamacare will save the middle class family $2500 each year or If you like your healthcare insurance you can keep your healthcare insurance.
We know each one of these statements are total lies!

Your OK list is twisting facts! The anti Trump folks have decide to Deny, Dispute, Destroy!
 
oh vance. you're so desperately trying to convince yourself that you didn't make a fool of yourself 9 years ago you'll post any string of words if it sounds good. Telling you the facts doesn't make me dishonest. Your brain is just convincing you I must be dishonest so you can cling to your narrative. Now vance, back up the part where his BC was "edited" and how he couldn't use it for a passport. I know its not true but I need you to know it. Now this will help you with the lingo and reality.

Although original birth certificates (Certificates of Live Birth) are preferred for their greater detail, the State Department of Health (DOH) no longer issues Certificates of Live Birth. When a request is made for a copy of a birth certificate, the DOH issues a Certification of Live Birth."


Obama's birth certificate: Final chapter. This time we mean it! | PolitiFact

You should read both of the links I posted. It will help you in your vision quest to the truth. And by the way, exactly how much money did you send to WorldNetDaily?
Geeez you are boring. You screwed up, posted a cite that PROVED you screwed up, and lack the integrity to simply admit that you screwed up. Like the OP...you have done a great job of exposing your lack of character and worth.
 
He was talking about black voters. Trump was trying to appeal to them.

And say what you will about Trump, but he ended up doing better with blacks than Romney did.

Well, yes and no. He did better with blacks as a percentage, but that is only because some of the Obama coalition did not get out and vote for Hillary. So basically, the percentage of the African American electorate that does vote Republican, about 5%, came out and voted, but ended up with a higher percentage of overall black voters because the rest were at a lower turnout rate than in the previous two elections.
 
So what you are saying is that someone who supported Obama was OK with everything he did and said?

One example, If you like your doctor you can keep your doctor. Obamacare will save the middle class family $2500 each year or If you like your healthcare insurance you can keep your healthcare insurance.
We know each one of these statements are total lies!

Your OK list is twisting facts! The anti Trump folks have decide to Deny, Dispute, Destroy!

OK, wait a second. Those are failed policies. For example if a politician says my plan will save you this much money and do this for you and those rosy predictions don't pan out, they didn't so much as lie as they got it dead wrong.

That is a big difference between that typical crap we get from politicians and just making crap up like terrorist attacks that never happened, crowds at your inaugural that didn't exist, awards you never got, and other just absurd lies of the kind that only a pathological liar would tell.
 
I know my limits were surpassed long ago ... but I was just wondering exactly what would Trump have to say or do, before a True Trump Supporter says that's enough?

Things you have to be ok with … to be a loyal Trump Supporter

  • You have to ok with Trump’s 8 plus years of lies about the Citizenship of America’s First Black President, like him or not, they were lies.
  • You have to be ok with Trump calling Mexicans Rapist and Murders, I'm not for Illegal Immigration, but I do have Mexican Family members and friends.
  • You have to be ok with Trump “quote”; “when you’re a star they’ll let you do it, Grab then by the P***Y”; I've yet to discover a Women who is ok with that!
  • You have to be ok with; “What else do you have to lose”? Who the hell is he talking about?


There’s a lot of issues that Donald Trump has, and none of them have to do with being President.

Purely partisan post. Please list the things Trump has done since being president that are contrary to what he said he would do during the campaign which caused him to win the election.
 
I know my limits were surpassed long ago ... but I was just wondering exactly what would Trump have to say or do, before a True Trump Supporter says that's enough?

Things you have to be ok with … to be a loyal Trump Supporter

  • You have to ok with Trump’s 8 plus years of lies about the Citizenship of America’s First Black President, like him or not, they were lies.
  • You have to be ok with Trump calling Mexicans Rapist and Murders, I'm not for Illegal Immigration, but I do have Mexican Family members and friends.
  • You have to be ok with Trump “quote”; “when you’re a star they’ll let you do it, Grab then by the P***Y”; I've yet to discover a Women who is ok with that!
  • You have to be ok with; “What else do you have to lose”? Who the hell is he talking about?


There’s a lot of issues that Donald Trump has, and none of them have to do with being President.

Interesting how all this was vetted prior to November 8 and he won. What exactly have we lost in 4 weeks? Just another anti Trump thread with no substance. Trump IS President and deserves a chance. You haven't given him one and ignore the EO's he has implemented for pro economic growth, job creation, and border security. Tells us why you have a problem with those issues?
 
Interesting how all this was vetted prior to November 8 and he won. What exactly have we lost in 4 weeks? Just another anti Trump thread with no substance. Trump IS President and deserves a chance. You haven't given him one and ignore the EO's he has implemented for pro economic growth, job creation, and border security. Tells us why you have a problem with those issues?

An excellent point. The man who campaigned is the man who was elected. The man who was elected sits today in the White House. He hasn't changed, his background hasn't changed, his vision of America hasn't changed.

So, since the process didn't go their way, the leftists are organizing and training mobs in the streets and at town hall meeting to disrupt the system. Democracy and our Constitutional system are obviously their targets - I wonder what system they would replace it with.
 
An excellent point. The man who campaigned is the man who was elected. The man who was elected sits today in the White House. He hasn't changed, his background hasn't changed, his vision of America hasn't changed.

So, since the process didn't go their way, the leftists are organizing and training mobs in the streets and at town hall meeting to disrupt the system. Democracy and our Constitutional system are obviously their targets - I wonder what system they would replace it with.
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that seems to be the problem, what would they replace Trump with and what exactly do they want?? Anyone???
 
OK, wait a second. Those are failed policies. For example if a politician says my plan will save you this much money and do this for you and those rosy predictions don't pan out, they didn't so much as lie as they got it dead wrong.

That is a big difference between that typical crap we get from politicians and just making crap up like terrorist attacks that never happened, crowds at your inaugural that didn't exist, awards you never got, and other just absurd lies of the kind that only a pathological liar would tell.

No you are very wrong. Obama knew he was telling tale when he spoke each time about a policy his administration was pushing.
Over and over falsehoods told so a very flawed Obamacare would pass congress with just democrats. Where was the media outrage about
this?
 
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