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I'm Curious; exactly what does Trump have to do, before it's too far for you?

NonoBadDog said:
:newhere: Yep, I can tell you are new to the forum. That is one argument that usually gets an immediate hammering. :popcorn: Please expound on what immigration "number" you are referring to.
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Nope, not new ... just had other thinks to do.

I'm not here to change anyone mind ... if anyone hasn't prospered since 2010, I suggest they get rid of the Financial Adviser ... because the first week of March 2009 was the markets lowest point in my life-time. So if you were busy blaming Obama and not getting on that wave ... well, sucks to be you.
 
BrewerBob said:
It defines your character, sure. And likely will define how you act in your personal life. But you can't just do whatever you want as President and I think Trump is beginning to learn that. But rhetoric and character aside, the things he has actually done since taking office are things a sizable percentage of the population agree with. Even the contentious travel ban has the approval of over 40% of the population.
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I'm one that is willing to give Donald Trump all the chances The RW would never give President Obama ... and that's a lot. :lol:
 
VanceMack said:
Its common courtesy to quote the people you are responding to. But then...that invites direct response.

How does it feel poking yourself in the eye? Does it hurt as bad today as it did yesterday? How long will you keep poking yourself in the eye before you realize it isnt ever going to get any better?
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I think someone poke me in the eye ... once.

I can't really remember when, but I think it was around 1970
 
Cigar said:
For the record ... this Thread is about Donald Trump, not Obama, not Hillary not anyone's Community, not Chicago or any other diversionary individual.
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For the record...your first point was about Obama. Your second point was about Mexicans. Your third point was about a sexual harassment comment. Your fourth point was about blacks in this country.

Your point about Obama is ridiculous. Your point about Trumps comments regarding 'Mexicans' was a lie-deliberate or based on ignorance. Your third point was OK...because we can all agree his WORDS were despicable...but rather impotent considering the actual actions of rats and your support of them. Your 4th point is just...lost.
 
Cigar said:
I know my limits were surpassed long ago ... but I was just wondering exactly what would Trump have to say or do, before a True Trump Supporter says that's enough?

Things you have to be ok with … to be a loyal Trump Supporter

  • You have to ok with Trump’s 8 plus years of lies about the Citizenship of America’s First Black President, like him or not, they were lies.
  • You have to be ok with Trump calling Mexicans Rapist and Murders, I'm not for Illegal Immigration, but I do have Mexican Family members and friends.
  • You have to be ok with Trump “quote”; “when you’re a star they’ll let you do it, Grab then by the P***Y”; I've yet to discover a Women who is ok with that!
  • You have to be ok with; “What else do you have to lose”? Who the hell is he talking about?


There’s a lot of issues that Donald Trump has, and none of them have to do with being President.
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What does any of that have to do with governing?
 
Cigar said:
I know my limits were surpassed long ago ... but I was just wondering exactly what would Trump have to say or do, before a True Trump Supporter says that's enough?

Things you have to be ok with … to be a loyal Trump Supporter

  • You have to ok with Trump’s 8 plus years of lies about the Citizenship of America’s First Black President, like him or not, they were lies.
  • You have to be ok with Trump calling Mexicans Rapist and Murders, I'm not for Illegal Immigration, but I do have Mexican Family members and friends.
  • You have to be ok with Trump “quote”; “when you’re a star they’ll let you do it, Grab then by the P***Y”; I've yet to discover a Women who is ok with that!
  • You have to be ok with; “What else do you have to lose”? Who the hell is he talking about?


There’s a lot of issues that Donald Trump has, and none of them have to do with being President.
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Tiresome... we've been through several iterations of this already on DP.


1. Most Trump voters didn't vote Trump because they love him, but because the alternative was Hillary. There were NO good choices this time.
2. Less concerned with things he SAYS than what he DOES. So far, a mixed bag but mostly not so bad.

3. The things which Trump COULD do which would be "beyond the pale" are innumerable and could not be listed without breaking the Internet. Short list: concentration camps, gassing people, blatantly breaking the Constitution (beyond what has already become biz-as-usual anyway), using force or "law" to suppress the press (as opposed to just insulting and ignoring them), passing restrictive gun control laws, well I could go on but the list of things he COULD do that would put him beyond all excuse for even those who actually like him could be almost infinite.

As things stand, he's actually trying to fulfill most of his campaign promises which is a positive and unusual enough to earn him some credit, even if I don't agree with all his choices.
 
Cigar said:
I think someone poke me in the eye ... once.

I can't really remember when, but I think it was around 1970
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The black community in this country as been poking themselves in the eye since the 30's with their blind support of the rat party. They CAN keep doing it. God bless America, its a free country. But maybe, all things considered, at some point they might want to try something different. The only thing they have to lose is misery.
 
Cigar said:
I know my limits were surpassed long ago ... but I was just wondering exactly what would Trump have to say or do, before a True Trump Supporter says that's enough?

Things you have to be ok with … to be a loyal Trump Supporter

  • You have to ok with Trump’s 8 plus years of lies about the Citizenship of America’s First Black President, like him or not, they were lies.
  • You have to be ok with Trump calling Mexicans Rapist and Murders, I'm not for Illegal Immigration, but I do have Mexican Family members and friends.
  • You have to be ok with Trump “quote”; “when you’re a star they’ll let you do it, Grab then by the P***Y”; I've yet to discover a Women who is ok with that!
  • You have to be ok with; “What else do you have to lose”? Who the hell is he talking about?


There’s a lot of issues that Donald Trump has, and none of them have to do with being President.
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1. For centuries, the everyone believed the world was flat...until it was proven not to be true. Will you hate all those people forever? It's over...move on.

2. Trump has NEVER called "Mexicans Rapist and Murders". Use your brain instead of believing the spin.

3. These women appear to be okay with similar stuff. I wonder why? Money? A star?

Men Are Walking Women Around on Leashes, and the Footage Is Sickening - VH1

Maybe you haven't discovered a woman who is okay with that...because you are not a star?

4. Trump was challenging the black community to be better...to want better...to only accept better...than what they are and what they have. Do you truly consider that a bad thing?


Now that I've disabused you of the things that you consider going too far, I'll tell you what I consider Trump going too far.

If Trump does a 180, deliberately breaks every promise he's made, decides to push liberal agenda items...in effect, becomes a Democrat...he will lose my support.
 
Cigar said:
Nope, not new ... just had other thinks to do.

I'm not here to change anyone mind ... if anyone hasn't prospered since 2010, I suggest they get rid of the Financial Adviser ... because the first week of March 2009 was the markets lowest point in my life-time. So if you were busy blaming Obama and not getting on that wave ... well, sucks to be you.
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You didn't answer the question. What immigration number were you referring to that Obama did so good at?

So as to refresh your memory here is what you said.

To date: no one in American History has handle Immigration better than the last President ... the real number prove that,
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As long as Trump keeps spewing hate and butting heads with the people the GOP base hates, the Muslims, Libs, Media, Mexicans, then Trump will be able to get away with anything, including shooting someone on 5th Avenue.

That's what is fueling Trump's popularity. Right from Day 1 with his 'build a wall' chants and his 'lock the bitch up chants' at his rallies. There's no Conservative agenda anymore. It's all about hate and pissing the Libs and Moderates off.
 
VanceMack said:
For the record...your first point was about Obama. Your second point was about Mexicans. Your third point was about a sexual harassment comment. Your fourth point was about blacks in this country.

Your point about Obama is ridiculous. Your point about Trumps comments regarding 'Mexicans' was a lie-deliberate or based on ignorance. Your third point was OK...because we can all agree his WORDS were despicable...but rather impotent considering the actual actions of rats and your support of them. Your 4th point is just...lost.
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Trumps comment on Mexicans, which was directed at the traffickers, was true.
 
Mason66 said:
Trumps comment on Mexicans, which was directed at the traffickers, was true.
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Well you can say that about any ethnic group ... as a matter of fact, I would bet the mortgage Mexicans are quite low on America's All-Time Most Wanted List for Rapist and Murders
 
SenorXm/Sirius said:
As long as Trump keeps spewing hate and butting heads with the people the GOP base hates, the Muslims, Libs, Media, Mexicans, then Trump will be able to get away with anything, including shooting someone on 5th Avenue.

That's what is fueling Trump's popularity. Right from Day 1 with his 'build a wall' chants and his 'lock the bitch up chants' at his rallies. There's no Conservative agenda anymore. It's all about hate and pissing the Libs and Moderates off.
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It's like throwing Manure at Pigs, even they get tired of Sh!t after while :mrgreen:
 
Cigar said:
Well you can say that about any ethnic group ... as a matter of fact, I would bet the mortgage Mexicans are quite low on America's All-Time Most Wanted List for Rapist and Murders
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Trump was commenting on a news story that had come out the day before about a rape.

Also the coyotes are known for raping the women they shuttle across the border.

You can't deny that is true.
 
NonoBadDog said:
You didn't answer the question. What immigration number were you referring to that Obama did so good at?

So as to refresh your memory here is what you said.
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I don't divert to links and numbers ... like I said, I'm not trying to change anything you've been taught. It's a waist of my time.

If you won't to know what President Deported more Illegal Aliens ... it's readily available, but you'll have to grapple with those pesky facts, not me, I don't care if you believe it or not, it is what it is.
 
Mason66 said:
Trump was commenting on a news story that had come out the day before about a rape.

Also the coyotes are known for raping the women they shuttle across the border.

You can't deny that is true.
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Hey ... the line is long for people willing to justify what Trumps says everyday ... don't ask me to do it.
 
Mason66 said:
Trumps comment on Mexicans, which was directed at the traffickers, was true.
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Trumps comments were not directed at 'Mexicans'. He has never attacked 'Mexicans'. WHat he said was that the Mexican government isnt invested in stopping illegal immigration and that they arent sending us their best and brightest. “They're sending people that have lots of problems, and they're bringing those problems with us. They're bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They're rapists. And some, I assume, are good people.”

The actual facts are:

-DHS states that it has identified 221,000 non-citizens in the nation’s jails. This equals 11 to 15 percent of the jail population. Non-citizens comprise only 8.6 percent of the nation’s total adult population.”

“A Pew Hispanic Center study found that, of those sentenced for federal crimes in 2007, non-citizen Hispanics were 74 percent of immigration offenders, 25 percent of drug offenders... Non-citizen Hispanics are 5.1 percent of the nation’s adult population.”

So..he never attacked Mexicans. He never attacked all illegal immigrants. And he was correct in that many are the worst of the worst. But his comments were certainly ham-fisted and poorly thought out.
 
Cigar said:
Hey ... the line is long for people willing to justify what Trumps says everyday ... don't ask me to do it.
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Dont justify his comments. Just dont lie. That makes you worse than him.
 
Anyway, the discussion was aimed at what would it take for you to say ... Trump went too far?
 
Cigar said:
I don't divert to links and numbers ... like I said, I'm not trying to change anything you've been taught. It's a waist of my time.
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Wow, just wow. LOL Yeah, them facts are pesky little devils.

If you won't to know what President Deported more Illegal Aliens ... it's readily available, but you'll have to grapple with those pesky facts, not me, I don't care if you believe it or not, it is what it is.
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Yep, there is the statement we all knew was coming. Anyone that knows anything knows that Obama didn't deport more illegal aliens than anyone.
But the portrait of a steadily increasing number of deportations rests on statistics that conceal almost as much as they disclose. A closer examination shows that immigrants living illegally in most of the continental U.S. are less likely to be deported today than before Obama came to office, according to immigration data.
Expulsions of people who are settled and working in the United States have fallen steadily since his first year in office, and are down more than 40% since 2009.
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Until recent years, most people caught illegally crossing the southern border were simply bused back into Mexico in what officials called "voluntary returns," but which critics derisively termed "catch and release." Those removals, which during the 1990s reached more 1 million a year, were not counted in Immigration and Customs Enforcement's deportation statistics.
Now, the vast majority of border crossers who are apprehended get fingerprinted and formally deported. The change began during the George W. Bush administration and accelerated under Obama. The policy stemmed in part from a desire to ensure that people who had crossed into the country illegally would have formal charges on their records.
In the Obama years, all of the increase in deportations has involved people picked up within 100 miles of the border, most of whom have just recently crossed over. In 2013, almost two-thirds of deportations were in that category.
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Deportations of people apprehended in the interior of the U.S., which the immigration agency defines as more than 100 miles from the border, dropped from 237,941 in Obama's first year to 133,551 in 2013, according to immigration data. Four out of five of those deportees came to the attention of immigration authorities after criminal convictions.
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High deportation figures are misleading - LA Times
 
VanceMack said:
Trumps comments were not directed at 'Mexicans'. He has never attacked 'Mexicans'. WHat he said was that the Mexican government isnt invested in stopping illegal immigration and that they arent sending us their best and brightest. “They're sending people that have lots of problems, and they're bringing those problems with us. They're bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They're rapists. And some, I assume, are good people.”

The actual facts are:

-DHS states that it has identified 221,000 non-citizens in the nation’s jails. This equals 11 to 15 percent of the jail population. Non-citizens comprise only 8.6 percent of the nation’s total adult population.”

“A Pew Hispanic Center study found that, of those sentenced for federal crimes in 2007, non-citizen Hispanics were 74 percent of immigration offenders, 25 percent of drug offenders... Non-citizen Hispanics are 5.1 percent of the nation’s adult population.”

So..he never attacked Mexicans. He never attacked all illegal immigrants. And he was correct in that many are the worst of the worst. But his comments were certainly ham-fisted and poorly thought out.
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There are too many people that don't want to understand what he said, like the OP here, for their own purposes.
 
VanceMack said:
Trumps comments were not directed at 'Mexicans'. He has never attacked 'Mexicans'. WHat he said was that the Mexican government isnt invested in stopping illegal immigration and that they arent sending us their best and brightest. “They're sending people that have lots of problems, and they're bringing those problems with us. They're bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They're rapists. And some, I assume, are good people.”

The actual facts are:

-DHS states that it has identified 221,000 non-citizens in the nation’s jails. This equals 11 to 15 percent of the jail population. Non-citizens comprise only 8.6 percent of the nation’s total adult population.”

“A Pew Hispanic Center study found that, of those sentenced for federal crimes in 2007, non-citizen Hispanics were 74 percent of immigration offenders, 25 percent of drug offenders... Non-citizen Hispanics are 5.1 percent of the nation’s adult population.”

So..he never attacked Mexicans. He never attacked all illegal immigrants. And he was correct in that many are the worst of the worst. But his comments were certainly ham-fisted and poorly thought out.
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That maybe true ... but Mexicans and Hispanics are a little insulted by his comments, or at least the ones I know. Hell I was Cancun for a weekend ... and I know.

Look at it this way, I'm certain that some Italians have entered America Illegally and I certain a few have Raped and Murdered people ... but I'm not saying Italy is sending us their Rapist and Murders.

Are you smelling what I'm cooking?
 
Mason66 said:
He doesn't care about facts, he has already said that.

Don't waste your time.
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Good ... now you can get back to the subject on what would it take for you to say too much.
 
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