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Is Trump alienating the media?

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Surely by now you've seen Trump's latest news conference, or at least parts of it.

Has he succeeded in alienating the fourth estate? If so, will he get away with having done so? just how powerful is the media?

What do you think?
 
Dittohead not! said:
Surely by now you've seen Trump's latest news conference, or at least parts of it.

Has he succeeded in alienating the fourth estate? If so, will he get away with having done so? just how powerful is the media?

What do you think?
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No, I actually think they're loving him. He allows them to bait him endlessly, and they have succeeded in making him a caricature.
 
Dittohead not! said:
Surely by now you've seen Trump's latest news conference, or at least parts of it.

Has he succeeded in alienating the fourth estate? If so, will he get away with having done so? just how powerful is the media?

What do you think?
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Nope. They had decided that one long ago.
 
The media does plenty well to alienate themselves without Trump actually doing anything.

Trump has just rallied the dumb people who weren't paying attention to how ****ty MSM actually is.
 
The media is acting upset, but laughing all the way to the bank!

And though perhaps unintended (or maybe not!), Trump & the media have a symbiotic relationship!
 
Chomsky said:
The media is acting upset, but laughing all the way to the bank!

And though perhaps unintended (or maybe not!), Trump & the media have a symbiotic relationship!
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That's what worries me. If we get through Trump's reign in one piece and return to having a normal, sane president, then overall ratings could go down. And I don't see that ending well.
 
Andrew Jackson was more authoritarian than Trump. So was Lincoln. Both had more power and loyalty of the other portions of the state. Jackson, for instance, had the army and a lot of popular support so he could simply ignore the SCOTUS. Trump is being challenged by the judicial branch. That won't last after he stacks the court, of course, but given his popularity, he might have a hostile or at least heavily divided legislature by 2018.

The people sanguine about the demise of the US are getting ahead of themselves. The people lamenting our decline are right but not in the way they think. Our government is alive and well unfortunately. The federal government is fine. The culture, however, is eroding fast.

"As noted earlier, what had essentially extricated the Roman Empire from the 'crisis' of the mid-third century was the ruthless commitment to the ideology of the empire by members of the Roman army's officer corps. Over the course of the fifth century, by contrast, the Western Empire came increasingly to rely upon outsiders whose loyalty and commitment were not to Rome but rather to their own..."

-Peter Sarris

Y'all see any ruthless commitment lately? I don't even see people who can resist a Big Mac
 
nota bene said:
Howie Kurtz/Fair and balanced: Trump's marathon media-bashing presser: Did he go too far? | Fox News
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Even the cheerleader that is Fox is having some second thoughts. They did make one good point though:

Of course, Trump can get even – and get better press – by accomplishing some of the big-ticket items on his agenda. And that would be real news, not fake.*
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Yes, should Trump succeed in ending illegal immigration and/or bringing back high paying jobs to Americans, the press would have to change their tone a bit. That's a big if, however, and meanwhile, he's not doing himself any good by picking a fight with the media.
 
Dittohead not! said:
Has he succeeded in alienating the fourth estate?
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The "ing" instead of "ed" on the alienate makes me scratch my head a bit. The media, by and large, have been very negative and sour on Trump for quite some time. I don't think anything he's doing now is straining that relationship in any significant degree more than it already is.
 
the better question - is the media alienating millions of Americans

I'm not a fan of Trump, but I do see over the top bias in their reporting of him.
 
ARealConservative said:
the better question - is the media alienating millions of Americans

I'm not a fan of Trump, but I do see over the top bias in their reporting of him.
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How so? Do you think they should ignore the leaks and the lies? What do you think the job of the media is? To ignore those things?
 
Phys251 said:
That's what worries me. If we get through Trump's reign in one piece and return to having a normal, sane president, then overall ratings could go down. And I don't see that ending well.
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I think we may have hit a point where one of the societal cats got let out of the bag, and it's going to be difficult to get back in.

IOW, nonsense may be here to stay.

However after 4 years of Trump, there may be an opening for candidate that runs on "telling the truth". Seriously.

"You've been promised the sky, and it's been all lies. I can't promise nirvana, but I will always be straight with you, and work my hardest for you. It's not as easy as you've been led to believe. Only by confronting our problems directly and honestly, will we prevail. It's time to dump the grandiose rhetoric, and roll-up our sleeves and get to an honest day's work. Will you work with me, America?"

Hey, you never know!
 
iguanaman said:
How so? Do you think they should ignore the leaks and the lies? What do you think the job of the media is?
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apparently their job was to give him as easy a path as possible to winning the gop nomination, then attacking him with everything they got after that happened.

the media played pretend with both Bush and Obama - press conferences were highly scripted engagements in make believe. that has went on my entire adult life...until now.
 
Dittohead not! said:
Surely by now you've seen Trump's latest news conference, or at least parts of it.

Has he succeeded in alienating the fourth estate? If so, will he get away with having done so? just how powerful is the media?

What do you think?
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I have no idea what you're talking about.

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Which he subsequently "cleaned up" to this.

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But the whole "is he alienating the media" question is settled and frankly kind of irrelevant compared to the question of the purpose of such alienation down the road. Trump wants to be able to delegitimize the news so badly that when bad job reports, bad polls or the result of a crisis happens, he'll just dismiss them as fake. He's already done one of those things.

He wants to be the sole pipeline of reality so he can claim that everything under him is great even when all the numbers and statistics point to the opposite.
 
Cardinal said:
I have no idea what you're talking about.

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Which he subsequently "cleaned up" to this.

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But the whole "is he alienating the media" question is settled and frankly kind of irrelevant compared to the question of the purpose of such alienation down the road. Trump wants to be able to delegitimize the news so badly that when bad job reports, bad polls or the result of a crisis happens, he'll just dismiss them as fake. He's already done one of those things.

He wants to be the sole pipeline of reality so he can claim that everything under him is great even when all the numbers and statistics point to the opposite.
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and will the American people be foolish enough to fall for it? I don't think so, but then I didn't think they would be so foolish as to elect Trump, either.
 
Dittohead not! said:
and will the American people be foolish enough to fall for it? I don't think so, but then I didn't think they would be so foolish as to elect Trump, either.
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60 million people not only fall for it, they celebrate it. Trump just declared a free press the "enemy of the people," and every supporter on this board will eat it up with a spoon and ask for seconds.
 
Cardinal said:
60 million people not only fall for it, they celebrate it. Trump just declared a free press the "enemy of the people," and every supporter on this board will eat it up with a spoon and ask for seconds.
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What is truly frightening about that is you're probably right.
 
Dittohead not! said:
Surely by now you've seen Trump's latest news conference, or at least parts of it.

Has he succeeded in alienating the fourth estate? If so, will he get away with having done so? just how powerful is the media?

What do you think?
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Trump alienated the media some time back when he trampled on its sacred cows and refused to accept its dictates. And when they turned out to be way more thin skinned than he is, he was smart enough to capitalize on that. His approval ratings may be lower than normal for an early Presidency but the MSM's approval ratings are so deep in the bottom it is laughable that they think they have any credibility at all.
 
Dittohead not! said:
Surely by now you've seen Trump's latest news conference, or at least parts of it.

Has he succeeded in alienating the fourth estate? If so, will he get away with having done so? just how powerful is the media?

What do you think?
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Major media has been becoming less and less relevant for a decade or more. As more and more competition comes in from internet based media the major outlets have turned to OpEd functionaries rather than hard news. Furthermore, as FOX embraced some of the right wing political reporting other networks (CNN and MSNBC) chose to play a counter to FOX rather than try to compete on a hard news platform.

News in general, cable news in particular, is headed down the same path "reality television" took. It's trying to fill the sensationalist and prurient gaps just like......Donald Trump has done.
 
Cardinal said:
Trump wants to be able to delegitimize the news so badly that when bad job reports, bad polls or the result of a crisis happens, he'll just dismiss them as fake. He's already done one of those things.
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wow. you did the same thing. when Hillary passed out at an event - you wrote it off as fake news. you dismissed it as fake. :lamo
 
Welcome to the brave new world in which a president who regularly makes easily debunked statements is more credible than the mainstream news, in which bloggers who just make stuff up are more believed than serious journalists.

It's a world of falsehoods and alternate reality.
 
ARealConservative said:
wow. you did the same thing. when Hillary passed out at an event - you wrote it off as fake news. you dismissed it as fake. :lamo
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As I said, Trump wants to be able to dismiss bad polls, bad job numbers and pretty much anything else that paints him in a negative light. He's already made the statement that "All bad polls are fake news." I warned that he would do this.
 
Cardinal said:
As I said, Trump wants to be able to dismiss bad polls, bad job numbers and pretty much anything else that paints him in a negative light. He's already made the statement that "All bad polls are fake news." I warned that he would do this.
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and like I said, you were caught doing that very same thing. real news you wanted so badly to be fake, that you argued it was fake.
 
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