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Is Trump alienating the media?

ARealConservative said:
and like I said, you were caught doing that very same thing. real news you wanted so badly to be fake, that you argued it was fake.
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Did Trump or didn't he claim that "all bad polls" are fake?
 
Cardinal said:
Did Trump or didn't he claim that "all bad polls" are fake?
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I am not familiar with everything trump says. I was familiar with your behavior and how close it relates to what you are talking about at the present moment.
 
ARealConservative said:
I am not familiar with everything trump says.
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Any negative polls are fake news, just like the CNN, ABC, NBC polls in the election. Sorry, people want border security and extreme vetting.

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) February 6, 2017
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This is specifically a point I've made before, which is that he wants to make himself the sole pipeline for reality. This is the actual goal of delegitimizing a free press. So now, presuming you are with him to the extent that he demonizes a free press, when he tells you that employment numbers are high or that there are fewer deaths in armed conflicts or that a pandemic has killed only a few people, you will believe him regardless of whether any of that is actually true.

And just in case you didn't get the memo, he has now gone on record that the media is the "enemy of the people."

ARealConservative said:
I was familiar with your behavior and how close it relates to what you are talking about at the present moment.
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Dittohead not! said:
Even the cheerleader that is Fox is having some second thoughts. They did make one good point though:



Yes, should Trump succeed in ending illegal immigration and/or bringing back high paying jobs to Americans, the press would have to change their tone a bit. That's a big if, however, and meanwhile, he's not doing himself any good by picking a fight with the media.
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Did Trump pick this fight, or is he responding to the media's picking one with him?
 
Dittohead not! said:
Surely by now you've seen Trump's latest news conference, or at least parts of it.

Has he succeeded in alienating the fourth estate? If so, will he get away with having done so? just how powerful is the media?

What do you think?
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Right-wing radio has started the "hate media because they lie" propaganda: today's Mark Levin is leading that charge. What Trump and the radical is looking for is a way to discredit MSM; Associated Press, Reuters, CBS, ABC and NBC so that Trump and the cabal can control the discourse and what is aid about what Trump is doing.

The MSM has for it's part very accurately reported on Trump's lies and the lies of his cabal. The radical right-wing will believe anything that they are told by their handlers at ALEC and through right-wing radio. They will of course lie about the past and make it up as they go along.

Now we're engaged in a battle for the 4th Estate. The far right wants to shut it down.
 
Dittohead not! said:
and will the American people be foolish enough to fall for it? I don't think so, but then I didn't think they would be so foolish as to elect Trump, either.
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R U kidding US? tens of millions have ALREADY FALLEN for Trump's BS .......... they were not paying any attention at all ............. looks like U were not either .......
 
nota bene said:
Did Trump pick this fight, or is he responding to the media's picking one with him?
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I don't know.
I've broken up a lot of kid fights. Almost always it was the other one who started it, regardless of which one you're talking to.
Kid1: "He started it!"
Kid2: "He started it!"
Me: "Well, I ended it."

Point is, it doesn't matter who started it. It needs to end.
 
cuban smokes said:
R U kidding US? tens of millions have ALREADY FALLEN for Trump's BS .......... they were not paying any attention at all ............. looks like U were not either .......
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I must not have been. I should have known better than to overestimate the intelligence of the average voter.
 
Cardinal said:
60 million people not only fall for it, they celebrate it. Trump just declared a free press the "enemy of the people," and every supporter on this board will eat it up with a spoon and ask for seconds.
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That's not what he said. He called out specific news outlets. Your claim that 'he declared a free press the enemy of the people' is just you lying. Perhaps you might apply at the failing NY Times, NBC, ABC, CBS or CNN. Youd fit right in.
 
Dittohead not! said:
Surely by now you've seen Trump's latest news conference, or at least parts of it.

Has he succeeded in alienating the fourth estate? If so, will he get away with having done so? just how powerful is the media?

What do you think?
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It's a love hate relationship. Media loves Trump because he has given them a ratings spike, and NYT is having it's best year since maybe Y2K. They hate his politics though.

Trump, OTOH, loves the media because he digs the attention. He hates what they say about him though.
 
Dittohead not! said:
I must not have been. I should have known better than to overestimate the intelligence of the average voter.
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It seems to be a common theme among the sanctimonious left that only the dumb Americans voted for Trump. Keep believing that.
 
Fletch said:
It seems to be a common theme among the sanctimonious left that only the dumb Americans voted for Trump. Keep believing that.
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Haters, partisans, and suckers.
 
Dittohead not! said:
Even the cheerleader that is Fox is having some second thoughts. They did make one good point though:



Yes, should Trump succeed in ending illegal immigration and/or bringing back high paying jobs to Americans, the press would have to change their tone a bit. That's a big if, however, and meanwhile, he's not doing himself any good by picking a fight with the media.
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I watch kurtz on occasion and find him to be rather even handed in his praise and crticism of both the lefts and the rights dealings with the media. He does not come off as in the tank for either.

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Dittohead not! said:
Surely by now you've seen Trump's latest news conference, or at least parts of it.

Has he succeeded in alienating the fourth estate? If so, will he get away with having done so? just how powerful is the media?

What do you think?
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I think the media alienated themselves when they tried to manipulate the election and failed. When they tried to politicize every event and failed to try and tell the entire story. When they tossed out investigative journalism and added in sensational journalism. And this isn't "trump." They have been edging more and more in that direction. They did it during Obama and Bush's admin too. And so it has gotten harder to take them seriously, and has made it easier for them to be treated as such.


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Dittohead not! said:
Surely by now you've seen Trump's latest news conference, or at least parts of it.

Has he succeeded in alienating the fourth estate? If so, will he get away with having done so? just how powerful is the media?

What do you think?
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The media was already alienated. He could do nothing to make it worse. I think he's doing all he can do... calling them out. His last presser was entertaining and informative to people who watched it. He successfully predicted exactly how mainstream would report on him. That's powerful stuff. One of the headlines was, "Donald Trump Threw a Horrifying Unhinged Press Conference." Absolutely absurd.

People, whether or not you support Trump or despise him, this **** going on is just plain wrong. The press is NOT the fourth branch of government.
 
Zyphlin said:
The "ing" instead of "ed" on the alienate makes me scratch my head a bit. The media, by and large, have been very negative and sour on Trump for quite some time. I don't think anything he's doing now is straining that relationship in any significant degree more than it already is.
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Agreed, the media has made it clear from the begining that they were not going to play fair. Now they are complaining that he isnt capitulating with thier attempts. This will be won or lost in the court of public opinion.

For the most part i think the sides are drawn according to how people voted. I dont thinkanyone has crossed over.

What i find interesting is the left is doing exactly what they complained about from the right 8 yrs ago. They are not giving trump a wundow if opprotunity to see if his ideas will succeed. Theyvare in full out obstruction mode. Its not the hypocrissy that intrgues me. Its the power imbalance. The left is much more powerful within the establishment. Trump has to overcome barriers that obama didnt face.

The power imbalance seems to have galvanized his base into giving him unconditional support. They trust trump and turn a deaf ear to his critics. I think if the media gave trump a chance to fail beforebattacking him so harshly they would regain some credibility and trumps attacks on them would be seen less favorably.

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iguanaman said:
How so? Do you think they should ignore the leaks and the lies? What do you think the job of the media is? To ignore those things?
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With flynn i think trump is making a losing argument. He does need to clean house and purge the leakers but defending flynn is the wrong thing to do. Flynn missrepresented himself, no matter it has revealed that is a fact. Trump should not be trying to obfuscate. Own up to him being a bad hire and talk about about what your going to do in the future to prevent something like this thatvalmost happened from happening again.

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Dittohead not! said:
Surely by now you've seen Trump's latest news conference, or at least parts of it.

Has he succeeded in alienating the fourth estate? If so, will he get away with having done so? just how powerful is the media?

What do you think?
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You mean the media that has consistently polled that Americans don't trust?
 
Cardinal said:
60 million people not only fall for it, they celebrate it. Trump just declared a free press the "enemy of the people," and every supporter on this board will eat it up with a spoon and ask for seconds.
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So, polls continually show that Americans don't trust the media and yet you're saying that we should trust the media?
 
Moderate Right said:
So, polls continually show that Americans don't trust the media and yet you're saying that we should trust the media?
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I'm saying everybody should be very concerned that Trump is calling a free press the "enemy of the people."
 
Cardinal said:
I'm saying everybody should be very concerned that Trump is calling a free press the "enemy of the people."
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Well, if they don't report honestly and report with a bias, are they the "friends of the people"?
 
Moderate Right said:
Well, if they don't report honestly and report with a bias, are they the "friends of the people"?
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If certain news outlets seem biased to you, that's the least of your problems compared to a President that silences dissenting voices.
 
Dittohead not! said:
Surely by now you've seen Trump's latest news conference, or at least parts of it.

Has he succeeded in alienating the fourth estate? If so, will he get away with having done so? just how powerful is the media?

What do you think?
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tRump was slaggin' the media a very long time ago/during his campaign; who started this war mR. tRump?

the media will continue to cover tRump, and all of his failing fiascos, until the bitter end, all while both are mortal enemies ........
 
Cardinal said:
If certain news outlets seem biased to you, that's the least of your problems compared to a President that silences dissenting voices.
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The left is the one who silences dissenting voices, Berkley, et al.
 
Moderate Right said:
The left is the one who silences dissenting voices, Berkley, et al.
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What students at Berkely do is the least of your problems compared to a President that silences dissenting voices.
 
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