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calamity said:
Goldwater pushed them away back in the 60's. Nixon certainly never bothered bringing them home. Reagan, however, recognized the benefit of pandering to them, and Bush Jr took it to a whole new level.
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Okay, did they have any effect in the founding of the country?

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Partsguy57 said:
Lol but the bathroom thing and the cake thing lives on....

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But, it's just a minor blip on the problem scale. And, they'll be lucky to keep any of those rights by the time Trump, Pence and the Right Wing Congress and Courts get through with rewriting the rule book. Which is why we have more important things to worry about now,
 
Porkuloss said:
No, Patrick Henry was a professing Christian, but most of the founders were Deists, Unitarians or other. Have proof to the contrary?
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Okay so you are saying the religious "right " had less influence on the founding of the country, then they do now?

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Partsguy57 said:
Okay, did they have any effect in the founding of the country?

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Hard to say. It was a different time. Seems they went out of their way though to write the First, expressly stating that this is not a Christian Nation.
 
calamity said:
But, it's just a minor blip on the problem scale. And, they'll be lucky to keep any of those rights by the time Trump, Pence and the Right Wing Congress and Courts get through with rewriting the rule book. Which is why we have more important things to worry about now,
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Being forced to bake a cake is a right????

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Partsguy57 said:
Being forced to bake a cake is a right????

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If you ask the proponents, forcing someone who sells cakes to bake you one certainly is.
 
calamity said:
Hard to say. It was a different time. Seems they went out of their way though to write the First, expressly stating that this is not a Christian Nation.
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Seems pretty clear to me on what influence they had in the foundation of the country...... funny the religious right you rant about is the one of the main reasons you have the right to rant about anything you want...

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Partsguy57 said:
Seems pretty clear to me on what influence they had in the foundation of the country...... funny the religious right you rant about is the one of the main reasons you have the right to rant about anything you want...

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Maybe you are confusing the Witch Burners with the Founders?
 
calamity said:
If you ask the proponents, forcing someone who sells cakes to bake you one certainly is.
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No they fool themselves, that "right" they secured for themselves is no right at all. If you are not free to pick and choose on who you associate with you are not free at all...

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Partsguy57 said:
Seems pretty clear to me on what influence they had in the foundation of the country...... funny the religious right you rant about is the one of the main reasons you have the right to rant about anything you want...

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The Religious Right would never have written the First using the wording, "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion," like the Founders did. They would have declared this a Christian Nation, if they were RR like you claim.
 
Partsguy57 said:
No they fool themselves, that "right" they secured for themselves is no right at all. If you are not free to pick and choose on who you associate with you are not free at all...

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You must have missed the part where I said that I don't agree with the Zealot Left on this issue.
 
calamity said:
You must have missed the part where I don't agree with the Zealot Left.
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No I saw that.. there is zealots on both sides... defining what zealot is becomes the issue....

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Partsguy57 said:
No I saw that.. there is zealots on both sides... defining what zealot is becomes the issue....

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People who think--no insist--that they have rights that do not really exist, like the right to cake or forcing their religion into the schools.
 
calamity said:
The Religious Right would never have written the First using the wording, "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion," like the Founders did. They would have declared this a Christian Nation, if they were RR like you claim.
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So you've never read the Danbury baptist letter?
 
Cable said:
So you've never read the Danbury baptist letter?
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Sure. That affirms separation of church and state.

"Thomas Jefferson's response, dated January 1, 1802, concurs with the Danbury Baptists' views on religious liberty, and the accompanying separation of civil government from concerns of religious doctrine and practice."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baptists_in_the_history_of_separation_of_church_and_state


There is no mention of Christ or Christianity in the Founding Documents. God, yes. Christ, no.
 
Porkuloss said:
Sure. That affirms separation of church and state.

"Thomas Jefferson's response, dated January 1, 1802, concurs with the Danbury Baptists' views on religious liberty, and the accompanying separation of civil government from concerns of religious doctrine and practice."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baptists_in_the_history_of_separation_of_church_and_state


There is no mention of Christ or Christianity in the Founding Documents. God, yes. Christ, no.
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Establishing Christ in the founding documents would have been mixing church with state, no? What is your point?
 
Partsguy57 said:
Okay so you are saying the religious "right " had less influence on the founding of the country, then they do now?

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In that post I was pointing out that very few of the men we refer to as founders of this country were Christians. What other religion do you ascribe to the "religious right"?
 
Cable said:
Establishing Christ in the founding documents would have been mixing church with state, no? What is your point?
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We agree. I apologize for misinterpreting the point of your post.
 
I'm too moderate to hate either side.

Besides, the only people I hate are those who abuse animals, children and the elderly.
 
calamity said:
Ok...we have all heard the Right calling the Left Libtards, Commies and unAmerican Muslim sympathizers for years. Now we have the Left rightfully calling the Right out as partisan hacks who would hand the country to Putin if it meant keeping their Right Wing fantasies alive.

Do you hate the other side?


Why?

I'll start. Even before this Trump fiasco, I developed a strong hate for the Religious Right. I'd probably be a Republican (at least up until Trump showed up) if not for them. Their constant insistence on pushing their religious values on the rest of us has been turning me off for about 20 years, and it's only getting worse. I hate those bastards.
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I hate no one, Hate lends power over you to others.
 
Hate takes more energy than I have to spare.
 
Porkuloss said:
Actually, the religious right has always called the left evil. And since at least 1980, they have been a major force within the right.
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Odd... I know lots of people that would be considered the "religious right" and I can only think of one who would call the left "Evil". But then that's just truth and if you're a hate-filled liberals, you can discard it your leisure if it doesn't align with your hate.
 
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